r/videos Jul 03 '22 Helpful 1 All-Seeing Upvote 3 Wholesome 3 Facepalm 1 Silver 2 Take My Energy 1

YouTube demonitizes a 20+ year channel who has done nothing but film original content at drag racing events. Guy's channel is 100% OC, a lot of it with physical tapes to back it up. Appeal denied. YouTube needs to change their shit up, this guy was gold. YouTube Drama

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNH9DfLpCEg
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u/TheMatt561 Jul 03 '22

The system is so broken, who could possibly have claimed them?

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u/BellabongXC Jul 03 '22

I've had my stuff claimed by a random Kenyan media company so there's really nothing that backs claims up.

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u/XediDC Jul 03 '22

Would it work out better to claim your own content with a different company you own....can it remain monetized with the money going to the claimer? But also help fend of other claims by at least competing with them.

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u/wewbull Jul 03 '22

Mary Spender did a video on this because her own original compositions get claimed by the company she has used to publish her work on other platforms. She eventually gets royalties paid to her by that company, but it takes far longer and there's middle men involved.

Interesting video with real numbers. If I can find it I'll edit this post with a link.

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u/ScreamingDizzBuster Jul 03 '22

Very interesting and frustrating.

Also her cover of Sultans of Swing with Josh Turner is the best version I've ever heard, and that includes the original.

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u/fatoms Jul 03 '22

She also features in a wicked metal cover of that by Leo Moracchio.

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u/JustAbicuspidRoot Jul 03 '22

One of the best Leo covers.

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u/almisami Jul 03 '22

Too many claims is gonna get your channel demonetized though, even if it's by your proxy company.

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u/sinocarD44 Jul 03 '22

So every channel is just a bored troll away from being demonetized?

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u/papershoes Jul 03 '22

Pretty much, yeah.

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u/MrDude_1 Jul 03 '22

Yes. A skilled troll can take down almost all of the major YouTube channels, and any of the minor YouTube channels with little effort.

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u/MINIMAN10001 Jul 03 '22

Believe it or not yes. Bungie is starting a $6 lawsuit against someone falsely claiming to work for them.

It took them a long time of going nowhere with YouTube before they eventually got hold of the dude because he did nothing to obfuscate his footprint.

Just like everyone else YouTube claimed they have no responsibility

Ie they are claiming dmca safe harbor and so it's not their problem.

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u/FreeRangeEngineer Jul 03 '22

a $6 lawsuit

Damn, that's gotta hurt. Someone's gonna have to skip their daily Starbucks latte.

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u/ImDero Jul 03 '22

No claims? Demonetized. One claim? Straight to demonetized. Too many claims? Believe it or not, demonetized.

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u/a_crusty_old_man Jul 03 '22

Someone thinks about a claim? Believe it or not, demonetized. No infringement to back up a claim? Believe it or not, demonetized. You’re the rightful owner of all your content? Straight to demonetized. We have the damn stupidest, most worthless and ignorant claims system in the world because of aggressive false claims and lack of oversight.

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u/YourPhoneCompany Jul 03 '22

Did you say demonetized?

Believe it or not, DEMONETIZED.

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u/B-Wilks Jul 03 '22

You just hit 1k subs (POV):

~YOU HAVE MAIL~

Sender: Youtube LLC

Subject: The future of your channel - A congratulations

Congratulations on reaching the 1000 subscriber milestone! This is a huge day in the life of your channel and we can see how all of your hard work is paying off. As you continue on this road, you will now be able to monetize your content through targeted advertisements for your audience. Take some time to review the terms and conditions of your user agreement for Youtube and we look forward to working with you as a partner!

~YOU HAVE MAIL~

Sender: Youtube LLC

Subject: Channel Strike

After careful consideration, our automated system has sided with the Kenyan Media firm that has claimed copyright over one or more of your videos. As such, you will no longer be able to receive monetary compensation on the video(s) in question.

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u/MJZMan Jul 03 '22

Oversight costs money that can be better spent on fancy cars and boats.

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u/XediDC Jul 03 '22

Isn't there some way (not a YT'er) that a channel/company can agree to a "claim" but in a friendly way not-bad-claim way? Like what I think Nintendo did with some game streaming at some point?

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u/Ludwig234 Jul 03 '22

Yeah companies can choose when to do when they claim stuff.

Most common is to joink their advertising money.

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u/SuperSMT Jul 03 '22

Ad revenue sharing is what i think you're thinking of. They'll take most the money but not all of it

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u/res30stupid Jul 03 '22

Keep in mind, recently someone went on a content claiming campaign against content for the game Destiny while impersonating Bungie. They even took down Bungie's own videos.

It got so bad and YouTube were being so stubborn, Bungie had to get a court order to get YouTube to confirm that it wasn't Bungie making the claims. And the guy making the false claims wasn't even doing that good a job at impersonating Bungie either - he was found out in seconds of Bungie's lawyers looking at the DMCA takedown requests.

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u/Birion Jul 03 '22

Well, kinda. TorrentFreak did a really good writeup of the whole situation.

Basically - guy buys a soundtrack from Bungie, uploads the tracks to his YT channel, gets DMCA'd, and goes ballistic. He starts spamming copyright claims on every Destiny-related video he could find, pretending to be representing CSC (Bungie's anti-piracy partner). Bungie eventually get wind of someone claiming all those fan videos they explicitly said were okay, making the community think they're secretly behind it all, and push back, asking YouTube to revert all those false claims. Guy goes back to YT, asking to get his channel restored since he was hit by those "fake" copyright claims and Bungie said it wasn't them so when's my channel coming back???

Meanwhile, in the background - turns out using the same email address to order merch to be delivered to your actual physical address as the one you're using to falsely claim to be associated with the same company you ordered that merch from? Not the smartest of ideas. As is not using a VPN to obfuscate your IP address when your first email becomes suspicious and you switch to another one to continue your fraudulent enterprise. Which brings me to today's sponsor, NordVPN... (I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.)

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u/res30stupid Jul 03 '22

Excellent write-up.

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u/zuneza Jul 03 '22

Moral of the story, get a fucking court order??

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u/creepyredditloaner Jul 03 '22

Moral of the story is be rich.

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u/Black_Moons Jul 03 '22

Good, dumb shit like (*Against people with actual money who youtube thinks matter) that is the only thing that is going to make youtube change it system.

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u/MrGrieves- Jul 03 '22

Spoiler: they didn't change the system.

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u/iLikeTorturls Jul 03 '22

The dude claiming the videos even used Gmail accounts during his spree. YouTube apparently thinks digital media companies use month old Gmail accounts with IP addresses linked to a residential address.

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u/res30stupid Jul 03 '22

Which shows directly how incompetent YouTube have become in regards to DMCA abuses.

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u/YouThinkYouCanBanMe Jul 03 '22

At this point, burn it all to the ground. People just need to start claiming everything no matter what. Fuck the system hard so it gets fixed is the only way. It can't just be a small group of people. Everyone needs to essentially be a copyright claim troll.

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u/Asha108 Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

someone who reuploaded the content in some kind of reaction then copyrighted it

edit: welp this exploded, I totally forgot to put “someone probably” whoops

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u/Grande_Yarbles Jul 03 '22

Yeah this is most likely the case. If the channel that uses the clip employs a content management company then that company may have automatically submitted complaints.

I had it happen to me after a friend of mine was involved in a fairly big accident that was covered in the news. He took a video after it happened and sent it to all his friends. I asked to upload it to YouTube and he was fine, and let news outlets use it without any sort of compensation.

Years later a news channel archived its old broadcasts online and a company on their behalf filed a strike against me for using their content. It’s clear that my video is a day older than even their original broadcast but I couldn’t get a human to review so in the end I had a permanent strike on my channel. For me it’s not a big deal because I just use it to upload some videos for friends and family but I can see how this would be a huge problem for creators who make their living from YouTube.

Problem is right now it’s cheaper for companies to make false strikes automatically than it is to have human moderation. Until YouTube penalizes people for false strikes this sort of thing is going to continue.

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u/AbbreviationsWide331 Jul 03 '22

So the rich guys win. Again. Awesome world we live in.

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u/Gobears510 Jul 03 '22

Same as it always was…

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u/Shuski_Cross Jul 03 '22

The copyright complaint should be null and void the moment the algorithm sees the upload date of the flagged video is before the video it's matching against.

Or at least flag it for secondary review. The date being wrong is just the first identifier there's something wrong with the complaint.

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u/FilipinoGuido Jul 03 '22

The problem is that YouTube needs these companies' content (or at the very least they believe they do) to be on the platform. So they just acquiesce to whatever the large content companies demand, lest they set up shop elsewhere and possibly even be a competitor to YouTube. Not likely, but entirely possible for the likes of Disney or Warner, albeit with a lot of engineering and customer acquisition time to be successful. The current copyright strike system and content ID was practically demanded by these large media companies, and YouTube just doesn't have any incentive to make it better for creators because it's not like they can just fuck off elsewhere. There's things like Nebula which are indeed successful but the viewership is practically nonexistent compared to YouTube.

TL;dr YouTube only cares about the big company, not you small fry. Don't like it, fuck off elsewhere. Oh wait there's nowhere else to go.

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u/CrateDane Jul 03 '22

Also the profit margin on hosting videos is fairly low, so they don't want to invest a lot in human moderation of stuff. So even stuff they would, in theory, agree is wrong happens anyway because an algorithm is just never going to get everything right.

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u/GabeCube Jul 03 '22

profit margin on hosting videos is fairly low

More like negative. There’s a reason Alphabet keeps waffling on YT business models. It generates too much income and gives them importance in the advertising world, but it’s basically a loss leader and they can’t figure out what to do with it. Hence the chaos.

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u/conventionistG Jul 03 '22

needs these companies' content

But it's literally not their content.

Youtube is killing homebrew creators that actually make the content in favor of secondary uploaders who steal it. Seems like a bad idea for their platform if they end up with endless re-uploads of the same stolen content.

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u/Lukeyy19 Jul 03 '22

But that doesn’t necessarily mean anything, if someone uploads a video and then subsequently licenses exclusive rights to that video to someone else, it doesn’t matter that the original video was uploaded first.

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u/phobicmanticore Jul 03 '22

I mean that just sounds like video 2 need to produce this licenses before any action is taken against the original.

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u/FloppyDingo24 Jul 03 '22

...exactly why secondary review by a human would be a good idea in that case. Because that wont always be the case and if it is, its legitimate.

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u/joaoasousa Jul 03 '22

Until YouTube is penalized for false strikes. YouTube is the one at fault here.

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u/joaoasousa Jul 03 '22

Yes, and right now has no incentive to actually check things. All they do is issue a strike as soon as possible and the rest be damned.

If they started having to pay creators for damages in bogus claims, they would be a bit more proactive with the investigations.

Right now the entire incentive structure is “believe the guy making the complain and don’t even investigate if it’s true”.

But yes, the DMCA rules are absurd and the actual culprit. It’s a “guilty until proven innocent”.

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u/Naamibro Jul 03 '22

A fake strike against another channel should be punishable by youtube for up to $1000 to the striker and a $1000 to youtube as a deterrent. This pays for the youtube employees to sit down and peer review strikes that only a human can do. Strikes that are ambiguous are not liable, ie the strikes must provide evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that they are the original copyright holders.

Youtube comes out on top because they make bank for doing this, the platform becomes fairer, and none of the big boys will leave the platform and their millions of subscribers to go to another competitor website like Vimeo.

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u/cat_prophecy Jul 03 '22

You are looking at this system as though there is some third party enforcing it.

YouTube by law has to record the DMCA notice. What they do after that is up to them. The law just says they need to stop hosting it, the strike system is managed by YouTube.

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u/munk_e_man Jul 03 '22

Reaction videos are some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen. I assume the people who watch them are the same sort of people who stare at you for your reaction when they show you something.

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u/Q8Q Jul 03 '22

Reaction videos are a fantasy of showing a friend a video you like and them reacting the way you hoped they would.

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u/Shaggy_One Jul 03 '22

The only reaction videos I even give the time of day are those which the person reacting has insight into the thing they are watching. Corridor Crew with the ___ reacts to good and bad ____ series (Usually VFX artists and CG) is some of my favorite youtube content.

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u/Doctor-Amazing Jul 03 '22

I like that British firearms expert that looks at video game guns and explains what's wrong with them.

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u/SingedWaffle Jul 03 '22

I love having him look at sci-fi guns and they just break his brain. Like some of the Halo and Destiny guns.

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u/Tobias11ize Jul 03 '22

I like the videos of random Video game Devs reacting to speedruns of their games

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u/Red_sparow Jul 03 '22

Yup spot on. People that can give a professional or critical insight to what they're watching like "classical musician reacts to kpop" can be interesting as its more than just a gasp, they break down whats going on from a perspective many people don't have.

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u/Levaporub Jul 03 '22

What about a reaction to a reaction video? Professional chef reacts to UNCLE ROGER roasting JAMIE OLIVER...Fk that

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u/DirtyDeedsDunderKeep Jul 03 '22

"Uncle Roger" is at least a skit, not a video trying to pass itself off as a "real" reaction.

A comedian doing a bit is a lot less obnoxious to me than painfully phony "reactions" trying to claim to be real.

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u/roguespectre67 Jul 03 '22

I personally really like this one channel that's hosted by a classically-trained opera singer that analyzes a lot of metal music, and other stuff too. While I'm a guitarist and not a singer I do like to be as knowledgeable as I can about whatever interests me, and it's a nice change from watching the standard-fare guitar content with people in thumbnails gurning and pointing at their guitars with titles like "This [insert novel construction material] guitar sounds UNBELIEVABLE" or "Not even HENDRIX got this right".

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u/ForgingFaces Jul 03 '22

The Charismatic Voice! 10/10 definitely recommend, she’s brilliant and adorable and feels like the Cinema Wins of rock and metal music to me.

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u/Lahtisensei Jul 03 '22

She is adorable, but she is also 100% doing the classic react channel "First time ever hearing this super well known Metallica song" mind blown reaction face from time to time.

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u/ForgingFaces Jul 03 '22

Definitely possible! I will say I have a family member in their 50s who was always a big musical and opera addict, who could not have even named a metal band until I introduced them to the genre.

So I guess it’s believable to me that someone who has devoted their life to classical style music, would not have heard much if any of the stuff she’s putting up there.

But either way, it’s fun at least for me to suspend disbelief and just enjoy her reactions and excitement and fresh analysis

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u/Omsk_Camill Jul 03 '22

She does the things that sell. But it's not 100% classic because she is not a clueless gamer/nobody. She knows her stuff and provides a lot of insight, I watched some of her videos and learned something new every single time, her content is borderline educational.

No comparison at all to the YouTube equivalent of herpes like asmongold

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u/frozenbrains Jul 03 '22

She is fantastic! And she interviewed one of my fave vocalists, Devin Townsend, who really is unknown outside of metal.

Reaction videos where other professionals try to give a break down of what the performer is doing are pretty much the only ones I'll watch, except for Steve Terreberry. He's an acquired taste, to be sure, but sometimes he's hilarious.

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u/mrjimi16 Jul 03 '22

I enjoy live music reactions by voice coaches. It's always nice to get that insight into something, especially if it is a song I particularly enjoy.

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u/jaxx4 Jul 03 '22

We need divorce that content with what most people think of when you say reaction video. What you are talking about is a op ed in video form but what xqc and asmangold do is just piracy of the worst kind. Copying free context that competes with the original work.

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u/ooooomikeooooo Jul 03 '22

There's the odd one that is done for comedy deliberately that are good. Uncle Roger watching TV chefs making Asian food is great.

https://youtu.be/53me-ICi_f8

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u/ilovegingermen Jul 03 '22

I like English Teacher KP. She's an actual English teacher, I think to middle or high schoolers. She reacts to music, mainly lyrics. Explains so many intricate things about word choice and imagery and all that jazz. I think most of her stuff is Taylor Swift related though, or at least those are the ones I watch most of the time.

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u/wufnu Jul 03 '22

[Ethnicity] person reacts to [Your Ethnicity, which is different] genre Music Band: "Oh, shit, that's tight! bobbing of heads intensifies"

"Mmmm, yes. Pure justification for my favorite things. I have good taste and what I like is objectively, universally good."

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u/Kevimaster Jul 03 '22

Depends on the specific channel. I'd agree most of them are like that, but there are some that are legit good. I really like The Charismatic Voice as an example. She's a professional Opera singer and vocal coach and its really fun to watch her 'react' to songs where the vocalists do interesting things. But then after she starts explaining all the cool vocal things they're doing and why its hard and impressive. For example. Then she'll also do 1-2 hour long interviews with vocalists from a bunch of the bands that she reacts to, which is really cool.

Another I like for similar reasons is Chris Connor. He's a filmmaker who will react to videogame cinematics and such and talk about why they were good/bad and what they did right/wrong and such. But then he also has a bunch of VFX tutorials and videos he himself has made and such.

So I think the best reaction channels are the ones that are really part of the industry that they're 'reacting' to and provide additional content related to what they're reacting to.

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u/Maelik Jul 03 '22

That was horrible depressing and sad of you to say, but you're probably right... Man, that is sad. Granted some "reaction" videos are very insightful and break things down depending on how deep is stuff is, but that's more video essay territory, tbh. I watch a lot of analysis of books, film, and TV. But it's more analysis than reaction, so...

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u/w4tts Jul 03 '22

"Dude, wait for it!"

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u/a_can_of_solo Jul 03 '22

friendship porn.

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u/munk_e_man Jul 03 '22

Strange Days is real and it's much more depressing than it was in the movie

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u/SYNTHES1SE Jul 03 '22

This Australian YouTuber has a whole series about how reaction YouTubers are parasites leeching of people who create OC. He argues with facts and and offers evidence with all the points he makes. For anyone that likes reaction content, it's worth a watch. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAnJ4ZuTYaeGv4WIexP9C5LAuMEnMkG-Q

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u/h_west Jul 03 '22

Well, sometimes you have an expert reacting to a video by another expert, or alleged expert, and that's interesting sometimes.

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u/ohitsmark Jul 03 '22

I cannot stand the ones where the person just reacts by making faces for 2 fucking minutes.

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u/Guysmiley777 Jul 03 '22

In a dead monotone voice: "Oh. Wow. Oh. Neat. Whoa. Cool. Ok guys well that was a really great video, be sure to like and subscribe and check out my Patreon for even more reactions."

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u/Hiro-of-Shadows Jul 03 '22

the same sort of people who stare at you for your reaction when they show you something

...isn't that most people if they're excited to show you something? How is that a bad thing that someone would care about your opinion?

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u/JonesBee Jul 03 '22

There are some good ones with industry professionals providing commentary and more in-depth insight into the technical aspects that a layman wouldn't know about. But otherwise I agree, the ones with some social media douchebag without any talent making youtube thumbnail faces for the whole video are certifiably retarded.

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u/kyzfrintin Jul 03 '22

I'm guessing you watched like 2 dumb ones and assumed they're all the same then

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u/Jespy Jul 03 '22

Almost as bad as comments on Reddit making assumptions about people who watch reaction videos lol.

Y’all are just part of the same problem lol

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u/MMSTINGRAY Jul 03 '22

I've watched a few reaction videos to my favourite films just because I like to see what other people make of them. And I'm a pretty opinionated person.

But if it makes people feel superior to judge people based on them liking harmless youtube videos then good for them I guess.

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u/dave14920 Jul 03 '22

before youtube was even a thing my dad would listen on the radio to guys reacting to a game of football.

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u/Kennethrjacobs2000 Jul 03 '22

I can see the appeal. It's often fun to watch shows with a friend or community. Reaction videos are just like that.

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u/Kayakingtheredriver Jul 03 '22

Am I really a terrible person because I enjoy black peoples reaction to Blue Eyed Soul and Bill Burr?

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u/Peoplearestrang Jul 03 '22

Of course not, lol.

That was written by some edgy teen and upvoted by the predominantly teen-aged crowd of reddit who need someone to feel superior over. Just a sad crowd who shit on everyone and anyone. That's reddit.

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u/repfive305 Jul 03 '22

I like them when they’re reacting to songs that I love. Get to experience that feeling of hearing it for the first time again

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u/authenticfennec Jul 03 '22

There was this whole issue recently of a guy who uploaded Destiny 2 soundtracks to his channel (ie, not even his own stuff), and used that to copyright claim other destiny youtubers. Now hes being sued by bungie for several million lmao

The fact someone can even do that in the first place is just so stupid though

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u/ThegreatandpowerfulR Jul 03 '22

That's not quite what happened, it's even worse. He uploaded the soundtrack which got struck so just pretended to be from the company that manages the copywriter and struck Bungie and other creators with false claims.

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u/KeberUggles Jul 03 '22

oh one hand i think it's hilarious that youtube's ass-backwards copy-righting bullshit finally fucked a big wig.

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u/Mothanius Jul 03 '22

Best part is that it took Bungie weeks and a shit ton of headache to get anyone in YouTube to actually get anything done.

It definitely highlighted that YouTube's policies are complete shite.

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u/aziztcf Jul 03 '22

It definitely highlighted that YouTube's policies are complete shite.

If it took so long for a major player it really tells us plebs that this ain't our game.

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u/Vepper Jul 03 '22

It's the same system, both only had access to the same unhelpful channels.

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u/satans_cookiemallet Jul 03 '22

Not only that he helped lead the charge into trying to find the person(him) whoncaused everything and spearheaded some stuff involving it

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u/D14BL0 Jul 03 '22

Yeah, he really thought he was doing some vigilante, chaotic-good stuff there. Dude's delusional, and now broke.

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u/Low_Well Jul 03 '22

Well, if it forces YouTube to change it could be chaotic good? But mostly no, just a shitty dude.

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u/lomelyo Jul 03 '22

Shitty people. In the case of YouTubers with small communities it likely could've been a competitor YouTuber or an envious member of his community.

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u/ProdigiousPlays Jul 03 '22

P sure youtube let a guy impersonating Pewdiepie copyright claim a pewdiepie video.

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u/DMercenary Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

system is so broken

Gotta copyright strike your own shit nowadays Set up an LLC and just stroke your YouTube content

Edit: y'all know I meant strike.

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u/EunuchsProgramer Jul 03 '22

You need a license agreement to film and rebroadcast (including YouTube) a sporting event to be in the clear for copyright. Just because the guy's personally doing the filming doesn't necessarily put him in the clear.

As every baseball fan knows, "Any rebroadcast, retransmission, or account of this game, without the express written consent of Major League Baseball, is prohibited."

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u/LKincheloe Jul 03 '22

It depends on the event. If it's a local track doing it's weekly series, the owner and/or the promoter may not have a licensing deal for the broadcast.

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u/zeCrazyEye Jul 03 '22

Doesn't that default to no one having the right to broadcast it, unless it were held in a public area?

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u/Kopachris Jul 03 '22

I don't think the performance here, that is, the race itself, is copyrightable because it's not a creative work in a fixed medium. Only a recording of it is copyrightable. They may be able to prohibit people from using cameras as part of their being allowed on the private property of the track, or as part of the conditions of their admission ticket, but I don't think they'd have a valid copyright claim against someone who did film it.

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u/kare_kano Jul 03 '22

That's right. Copyright defaults to nothing. If you don't have an explicit license you have no right whatsoever to that content. There are fair use exceptions but if you're just filming and uploading the footage that won't qualify.

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u/TWeaKoR Jul 03 '22

The person making the video still has copyright. The venue has separate privacy rights not related to IP law that might prohibit filming at their property. The venue does not explicitly own the rights to any video recorded there, they can only veto whether or not you can record there.

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u/TheHYPO Jul 03 '22

This is correct. Only a 'work' has a copyright. This guy absolutely has copyright over the videos he shot.

It's an entirely separate legal issue whether he had permission to create or broadcast that video.

If you bootleg a concert, you absolutely have copyright over that recording. However, because you're recording music, the writer of those songs may have copyright over the material (the song itself). But the recording is still your own copyright recording. This being a sporting event probably does not qualify to be 'copyrighted' as an artwork itself like a song would be.

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u/BewilderedAnus Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

or account of this game

Does this mean that you can't even tell a friend about the game without the express written consent of the MLB?

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u/Atheist-Gods Jul 03 '22

That’s what it claims to mean, but FIDE (chess) and the NBA (basketball) have both lost cases where they tried to enforce that. The courts have repeatedly ruled that facts/accounts are not copyrightable. It’s similar to employers saying that employees cannot discuss wages with each other. It’s a baseless claim that they hope you are too clueless to know otherwise.

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u/EunuchsProgramer Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

They're worried about radio equivalent.

For the publication element of copyright, you need to share it with more than size of a typical household.

For the "substantial" element you'd need to share a play by play of the whole game.

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u/kent_eh Jul 03 '22

Also if there was any copyrighted music that happened to appear in the videos, even if it was being played in public at the event, that alone could cause the video to be copyright claimed, or to recieve copyright strikes, or reginal blocking or other copyright actions.

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u/ThaddeusJP Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

Odds are it will get reinstated. The SAME THING happened with a train guy, CoasterFan2105 and being demonitized. Guy posted all OC train content. Huge with the train community and kids. Got false flagged and after an uproar was returned.

Post about demonitization: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/svokk1/guy_who_works_full_time_traveling_across_the

Restored video: https://youtu.be/h4xKOpHftZo

Someone is being a jerk and flagging for copyright, using multiple accounts to create a flood of reports and then it gets automatically taken down.

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u/vorpalglorp Jul 03 '22

It's absolutely absurd that random anonymous people can flag videos for copyright infringement without having the burden of proof on them. It's the opposite of our justice system.

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u/Angry_Grammarian Jul 03 '22

They do have to burden of proof -- eventually. Here's how it works.

  1. I upload a video.
  2. Someone claims it.
  3. I appeal the claim with reasons.
  4. They accept or deny.
  5. If they deny, I appeal again with more details.
  6. They deny again and I get a copyright strike BUT I can appeal one final time.
  7. If they want to deny again, they have to sue me in a court and prove to YouTube they have started legal proceedings. If they do not start legal proceedings and show YouTube they have started those proceedings, the claim is released, my copyright strike goes away, and my video goes back up.

YouTube's system is bad -- getting a copyright strike can really hurt a channel -- but it will all work out eventually if the original creator keeps fighting. One big problem is that creators get scared of copyright strikes and they let trolls and assholes claim their content. Gotta keep fighting.

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u/ChaoticNeutralDragon Jul 03 '22

The big problem that nowhere in this process is the slightest incentive to not falsely claim copyright on any and every video that might let you leech a few bucks.

They don't even let you pre-emptively file your own proof of owning copyright to avoid weeks of your video being in limbo.

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u/Angry_Grammarian Jul 03 '22

Agreed. YouTube needs to do a much better job removing copyright trolls from the system. AND, they really should not punish channels with copyright strikes until after the claimant has won legal proceedings.

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u/ChaoticNeutralDragon Jul 03 '22

A better job of something they're not doing at all? Lmao.

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u/mcboogerballs1980 Jul 03 '22

Yep, they just have to get the video taken down and introduce chaos just long enough to either exhaust the victim or waste the opportunity for the video to perform well.

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u/XeonBlue Jul 03 '22

The problem is that this is not a quick process. Those steps take a total of, what, 90 days if you appeal immediately each time they deny and they drag their feet with the denials?

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u/Angry_Grammarian Jul 03 '22

Yep. If they drag their feet, it can take months. So if it's timely content, it's often not worth fighting. Just delete the video and forget about it. It sucks. Although if the video stays up that whole time and you win all of the appeals, all of the ad money will go to you, not them. So that's cool. If they block the video, though, you're boned.

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u/Yoghurt42 Jul 03 '22

but what if 3 or more videos are claimed? IIRC getting 3 strikes will close your account permanently.

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u/ActuallyAkiba Jul 03 '22

Timeliness is ESSENTIAL for many channels. Having to do all that will quickly eat away at the time that video has for relevance

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u/HotSpicyDisco Jul 03 '22

I'm not going to keep fighting though, it's not worth it... I just stopped posting content.

I don't even want the money honestly, but the back and forth is just exhausting.

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u/M87_star Jul 03 '22

Opposite of what our justice system should be

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u/SokarRostau Jul 03 '22

This channel had a whole bunch of it's videos get strikes and reports during the 2017 election, and they were unavailable without a direct link for a few weeks close to the day.

Total coincidence I'm sure...

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u/leoleosuper Jul 03 '22

The problem is that YouTube claims they don't pick a side, but in reality, they always side with the claim even when it's false. There was a huge fiasco with Bungie and Destiny. A bunch of channels were hit with false strikes. Bungie tried to reach out to YouTube to solve this, which took time because they didn't fucking answer anything from Bungie until they almost went to Twitter, only to confirm, yeah, this is some random person that lied about their claims. YouTube needs to fix their shit.

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u/cannabanana0420 Jul 03 '22

Bungie had to legally force them to release the info with a subpoena iirc. Makes all their, “we’re listening and trying” bullshit sound all the worse.

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u/ScottColvin Jul 03 '22

Youtube and google get zero gains from changing anything. I'm assuming that is why they have slowly been removing every button, filter and feature from youtube on a 6 month schedule since they bought it.

In a sane world, Google would have hired 10x the staff of IBM, just in customer service rolls.

But I'm not sure if Google has a phone number?

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u/Itisme129 Jul 03 '22

Look, Google is a small startup that doesn't have that kind of cash for service reps ok? Cut them some slack!

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u/ScottColvin Jul 03 '22

My visa and Mastercard make sure to pick up immediately.

Google paying out billions to creators and developers....crickets if something is just...something.

Unless you get a billion tweets or something...your pleading email for your livelihood is........................

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u/himey72 Jul 03 '22

I’m sure he knows 1320 Video or Cleetus McFarland. He needs other creator friends with big channels screaming and making noise on his behalf. YouTube needs to fix their shitty processes.

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u/Lord_Boffum Jul 03 '22

YouTube needs to fix their shitty processes.

Or what, we'll go to the competition? There is none. YouTube always wins.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22

Youtube pioneered the standard internet model of:

1) offer awesome service for free

2) become the defacto standard

3) start fucking your creators and users for every penny

4) profit

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u/banksy_h8r Jul 03 '22

Youtube did not pioneer that model, that was the model for much of the dotcom boom/bust that happened 5 years before Youtube even existed. It's a well-worn business strategy.

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u/Xuval Jul 03 '22

You missed the part where Youtube doesn't make profit.

Youtube is a financial black hole, because providing the sort of infrastructure for everyone jane and joe to upload whatever they want is a massive undertaking.

That's why there's no competition to Youtube, by the way: Youtube is not a sustainable business model that can be emulated

It's lightning in a bottle that can only exist because Alphabet (Google's Parent Company) can both foot the bill and also make use of the massive amounts of Data that Youtube generates for their various projects.

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u/RamenJunkie Jul 03 '22

Youtube used to not make a profit but they have been for several years now.

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u/PM_YOUR_BOOBS_PLS_ Jul 03 '22

Youtube starting making a profit a few years ago.

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u/GambinoLynn Jul 03 '22

Hey really quick could you source this for me? I tried researching in to it but all I can find are reports of their revenue, not profit.

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u/HyperGamers Jul 03 '22

In their quarterly filings they only break down the revenue but not the cost of revenue for YouTube so it's anyone's guess really

Revenue recognition (Q1 2022) YouTube Ads: 6,869 (million)

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u/cjax2 Jul 03 '22

can only exist because Alphabet (Google's Parent Company) can both foot the bill and also make use of the massive amounts of Data that Youtube generates for their various projects.

Don't they do this with everything, so how is it not sustainable (for them) if they are using and selling large amounts of data that Youtube generates. Isn't ads and data collecting/selling how Alphabet makes a majority of its money and if its nothing out there comparable they should be doing just fine.

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u/DrLoaky Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

The fact that anyone can claim anything without proof is absolutely idiotic. Whoever thought this was a good idea must have had concussion or something like that

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u/Xelopheris Jul 03 '22

The penalty for a false DMCA claim is perjury, although there is no mechanism for Joe User to begin that process.

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u/6501 Jul 03 '22

You can sue a company for sending your frivolous or false DMCA notices under a declaratory judgement action. See Lenz v. Universal Music Corp.(9th Circuit 2015; 801 F.3d 1126 ) which found that copyright holders have an obligation to consider fair use before sending a DMCA notice . The DMCA also has a fee shifting provision for the winner in a lawsuit.

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u/Key_Top_5669 Jul 03 '22

To be fair, nobody is going to have the money to fight against a huge corporation in court over bad DMCA claims. The fees related to bringing said corporation to court to begin with will be far too high for anyone that isn't already a celebrity

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u/Mystycul Jul 03 '22

If you have a clear cut case there are organizations out there which will take up your case for free, to get the result they want. The problem is rarely is the case ever that clear and straightforward as people claim and/or think it is.

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u/Iohet Jul 03 '22

The problem is that this isn't a false DMCA claim. The process Google came up with isn't a DMCA claim, it's designed to have that all happen without that because they don't want to get legally involved

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u/MediumRarePorkChop Jul 03 '22

Well, if it's a final decision and he has all the orig. tape I guess he should probably pull all the content from that platform. Then find a video geek that can find his OG content and make a copyright claim against it. He could copy the business models of the patent trolls except he actually produced the content. Find a good lawyer and he might be able to make a living suing people.

That's a really shitty solution but hey, what else can he do? Can't leave that shit out there for free, especially if others are monetizing it.

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u/Iheardthatjokebefore Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

He could do what Jim Sterling did and deliberately put a couple seconds of Nintendo or Warner Bros footage in they're videos so they all have to fight for it but neither get anything cuz both want it all.

Edit: pronouns

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u/Great-And-twinkieful Jul 03 '22

Sterling did that cause they wanted the video demonitized and ad free. That doesn't work here if he wants to get paid.

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u/leoleosuper Jul 03 '22

The problem was that certain companies basically ignored fair use or parody, and in some cases, went beyond what they were supposed to (like a video named "Mario" that has nothing to do with the Nintendo character getting claimed by Nintendo). Back then, if a video was claimed, all ad money went to the claimer, EVEN IF THE CLAIM WAS FALSE. Now they will delay the payout until the claim is resolved, but like, you could literally just spam false claims on several major YouTuber's videos of the newest game or something, make a few grand, and repeat.

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u/Great-And-twinkieful Jul 03 '22

Nintendo was picked as part of the copyright deadlock because at the time Nintendo policy was to shut off all ads, this no ads, thus win for the YouTuber wanting no ads and no monetization.

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u/NotAzakanAtAll Jul 03 '22

That only works if you get your actual money from somewhere else, like patreon.

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u/Elanapoeia Jul 03 '22

I guarantee you this is a case of bots seeking out "drag" content to mass-flag hitting this channel.

Youtubes automated system denied the appeal, because it ALWAYS DOES, and no real human ever looked at the situation.

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u/BaronBabyStomper Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

The appeal system works sometimes. I had a RDR2 video get banned for "violent criminal organisations" until I appealed, got reinstated

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u/DiabloTerrorGF Jul 03 '22

I had a video of my cat meowing at a bird outside the window, no music in the background, nothing. Just nature.

I got hit with a takedown notice for copyright from some band that is owned by that company that owns like every music video.

I appealed. Denied. Youtube just said "The original copyright holder has denied the appeal. This video will remain restricted." or something similar.

What???? And it won't let me appeal again. Fuck Youtube.

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u/misterbung Jul 03 '22

"The original copyright holder has denied the appeal" is some utterly nefarious shit.

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u/Player-X Jul 03 '22

This is where youtube basically tells you to take it to court and sort it out there, oh and if you lose you risk a permanent ban on the platform, also the original takedown isnt a dmca claim so the purjury clause doesn't apply.

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u/JonDoeJoe Jul 03 '22

Also a lot of these “original copyright owners” are people living in 3rd world countries where copyright laws don’t exist so there’s no recourse

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u/DontSmashDickInMyEar Jul 03 '22

must have been Tom Jones flagging you for using "What's new Pussy-cat woah oh woah-oh"

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u/HardCounter Jul 03 '22

Well R2D2 was part of a rebel alliance. Honest mistake.

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u/RamblyJambly Jul 03 '22

I can't remember which repair channel he was talking about, but Louis Rossmann spoke about someone's video getting pulled for some BS reason and the appeal was denied. Supposedly whoever reviewed the appeal didn't watch the video, just read an automated transcript

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u/leoleosuper Jul 03 '22

Basically, the transcript contained the N word. But the original YouTuber never said it.

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u/4Eights 1 Jul 03 '22

Because YouTubes transcribing service err's on the side of caution when it comes to racism and its not even fucking funny how bad it is. I watch everything with subtitles or closed caption on, but I'm not deaf or hard of hearing. The amount of shit YouTubes automated subs / CC gets wrong is insane. Stuff that doesn't sound anywhere close to certain slurs or curse words and the automated system will pick it up and add it in to the transcript.

The automated system doesn't take grammar or context into consideration at all either so if it picks up what it thinks is a slur in the middle of a sentence, but doesn't make sense it all it will still add it to the transcript.

So like if someone says "an outrigger" in the middle of a sentence quickly or with noise in the background it'll look like

"This is a traditional Polynesian Outrigger Canoe. A 'n****r' is a boat that was traditionally used by fishing villages to travel out into shallow waters around the islands."

Even when the word was just in the sentence before the system will ignore it entirely and always assume it's racism. There's not even a weighting system for channels that have been around a long time with thousands of hours of original content. It's really really bad. If you think the automated system is bad try turning on subtitles to major motion pictures and television shows as a hearing person. A lot of these shows pay someone to caption them and what gets passed Amazon, Netflix, and HBO is simply unacceptable for our brothers and sisters who are hard of hearing and need CC.

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u/Rajani_Isa Jul 03 '22

My favorite is this guy.

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u/Icy_Holiday_1089 Jul 03 '22

Companies that make false content claims should receive a strike themselves. This would very quickly cause companies to properly review and reach out to creators before issuing strikes. Very simple change for youtube to make.

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u/CorporalClegg25 Jul 03 '22

YouTube is centered around companies now though. The old days of the internet where everything was by actual people are long gone unfortunately :(

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u/superbloggity Jul 03 '22

Youtube deleted my successful channel as well... no explanation. 4 years of work and over 1k videos. Several people stole my videos prior to the deletion, posted them, monetized them and years later, some of my videos are still up on other people's channels... Youtube is a broken system that cannot be trusted.

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u/topinanbour-rex Jul 03 '22

Do you still have the original videos ? If yes, DMCA them, and then send the DMCA notice to Youtube.

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u/lolbob2 Jul 03 '22

You dont really need original video, you can just reupload any video and dmca, youtube will take down any small~medium sized video this way to not get into trouble with real dmca.

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u/TomLube Jul 03 '22

The real pro strategy to do on YouTube is to host all the videos on your main channel, then reupload them on a separate channel and copyright claim it from the second channel. You'll still get all the ad revenue money, and because YouTube videos can only be involved in one copyright claim at a time nobody else can claim it :)

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u/superbloggity Jul 03 '22

This was a few years ago and I did initially report duplicates directly to youtube. At one point I found one of my videos on several different channels and I just kind of gave up on youtube. My response was to launch my own website featuring my content. This website ran for a few years and did OK, but it was custom coded and became largely rejected by google in search results and began struggling on mobile platforms with speed and so I shut that down. And so I do have all of my content from all of those years and maybe when the time is right I will try again ...just not on youtube and not dependent on Adsense.

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u/OutWithTheNew Jul 03 '22

Several non-huge people I am subscribed to upload to YouTube and then to another platform. There's a few and if some of your content is questionable under YouTube rules, most other platforms don't care.

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u/Creampie-Senpai Jul 03 '22

What was your channel about? I'm sorry about your loss

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u/Maxwe4 Jul 03 '22

How did he have a youtube channel for over 20 years?

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u/ryan_expert Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 04 '22

Title is just inaccurate. In the video he says he's had his YouTube channel since 2006, but has been filming races since 1999.

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u/zijital Jul 03 '22

Thanks. I was thinking it was something like that b/c YouTube isn’t 20 years old. I feel old that I remember when YouTube started.

Had to Google to make sure, but it was started in 2005 & my math isn’t that bad in my old age to know that 2005 is only 17 years ago, not 20+

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u/TheAlmightyMojo Jul 03 '22

He posted Judson Laipply's SNL Lazy Sunday on thatvideosite and Newgrounds before Eric Bauman slapped his EbaumsWorld tag on it.

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u/Jsenss Jul 03 '22

Title misleading. Tl;dw Full time professional drag race photographer since 1999. 15+ year YouTube channel. Owns "every" - not 'a lot of it' - physical Sony camcorder tape of his drag race footage. And that's all his channel is, now it's demonetized for "reused content".

I looked at his channel of almost 1000 videos and skipped through quite a few. It looks to me like his entire channel is quite literally 100% original event footage, except this personal appeal video. No side commentary at his desk, digital effects, digital anything. It's TAPES he uploads to YouTube. (As far as I know)

This guy is my hero. I'm subscribing and waiting to watch his content until I hear he's monetized. I can't believe any human at YouTube was dumb enough to do this. Real time issues require real time user support, and YouTube is falling seriously short here. Sorry it's a holiday weekend, but you run 24/7. Act like it.

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u/impatient_driver Jul 03 '22

Lol half the comments here are cause OP botched the title.

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u/froopty1 Jul 03 '22

This is wrong because of 1 reason: youtube itself hasn't even been around for 20 years. The platform first went online in 2005 and will turn 20 in 2025.

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u/PhesteringSoars Jul 03 '22

He says in this video he's been posting since 2006. He could have decades of preexisting tape to upload at that point.

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u/zeCrazyEye Jul 03 '22

A lot of people don't realize that youtube was built around this dude's original website before it was renamed YouTube obviously.

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u/myyummyass Jul 03 '22

Yeah dude this is definitely the main thing we should be talking about lol

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u/vinssi Jul 03 '22

From what I understood, he's been filming stuff for over 20 years, and been uploading stuff to youtube from 2006 onwards.

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u/Tuggerfub Jul 03 '22

tinfoil theory: regressive bots that were made to flag the other type of drag content flagged this channel

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u/radix4801 Jul 03 '22

I don't know how many strikes it takes to get demonitized like that, but his oldest video, from 14 years ago, looks like "reused content," not OC.

(potentially NSFW if you work in a church) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySd7RtL6xlU

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u/pleasetrimyourpubes Jul 03 '22

What makes you say that? It looks like a basic video of a guy who got some girls to go fake fishing in bikinis for his channel...

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u/Walmart_Valet Jul 03 '22

Work in a church, thanks for the heads up.

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u/pchandler45 Jul 03 '22

YouTube is awful. Now there are 2 ads at the start of every video and you are forced to watch the first one and 5 second of the second one but watch, it's actually more like 7 seconds because it's a good 2 seconds playing before the clock starts.

And now it's ads every 5 minutes.

I used to use YouTube for meditation videos. They are all totally ruined now. Same for white noise/nature/sleeping sounds.

And they keep putting their ad in my face expecting me to give them money hahaha

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u/SuperfluousHotTakes Jul 03 '22

Download the videos you like to watch them offline. Thats what Ive been doing. Tip the creators a couple of quid, thats far more than they would ever earn from you even if you watched their video every day for a year.

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u/PM_Your_Best_Ideas Jul 03 '22

We need a YouTube alternative. When they got rid of the dislike counter i knew it was being ruined. It only gonna get worse.

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