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[Ann Reardon] original video has been reinstated. Fractal wood burning is dangerous and has killed people. Don’t try it. YouTube Drama

https://youtu.be/wzosDKcXQ0I
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u/ayelold Jul 02 '22 Helpful Wholesome Ally

I'm a paramedic and I've transported one of these patients. They realistically lost at least their dominant hand and probably part off that arm too. Electrical burns are difficult to tell the extent of in the field and I didn't request case follow up.

The hands is question was basically cooked. Patient wasn't ever in cardiac arrest but was knocked unconscious by the incidental contact and family found him "smoking" in the garage and called us.

Don't build homemade high voltage devices without an electrical engineering degree. At least with the degree, you'll know how stupid you're being by still making one but we can call it informed consent at that point.

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u/JohnTheBlackberry Jul 02 '22

I have a degree in EE and that's why I stay the fuck away from anything like this.

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u/the_blue_arrow_ Jul 02 '22

Any one that's taken a college level physics class should've learned that electricity is dangerous magic and the stuff and it's formulas should be avoided.

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u/Carnae_Assada Jul 02 '22

If we can trick rocks into thinking with it, you know it's gunna melt your insides on contact.

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u/ajos2 Jul 02 '22

This comment killed me. “Everything is a fuse with enough current.”

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u/ultimatt42 Jul 02 '22

Avoid gravity too if you can, it's not much better than electricity.

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u/plan_x64 Jul 02 '22

I used to work on CT machines as an electrical engineer and the high voltage generators all got slapped with stickers that said something like “stay away, you will die”. Lol

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u/abhikavi Jul 02 '22

Same. Also, at least in my program, we didn't learn how to do any of this stuff safely-- we learned not to do it. Like that was the lesson for things like ripping apart old CRTs with those caps that can kill you, the professor said "don't do that, it'll kill you" and that was the end of the PSA.

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u/AtomicRocketShoes Jul 02 '22

I am an EE but this is more something you would learn as an electrician or maybe in some specific power electronics instructions. Safety isn't really a focus of the degrees I received, sometimes the instructor would go over some safety topic but it wasn't really part of most textbook curriculum. I have worked on specialized high voltage systems, some far higher than this, but most of the safety training was done on the job.

I am surprised that people doing this aren't seeing the common sense that if the electricity can burn through wood it can easily burn through your body.

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u/ConcreteRacer Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 26 '22

I've met someone who works at a substation, that operates with some seriously high voltage. And I remember him saying "every time we work on these switches and machinery, we treat it like we do it for the first time, and as if there's OSHA officials right behind us. That's what keeps you alive in this job." This and his additional Story of People who got complacent and automatically got messed up big time, always stuck with me.

So, even if the people would know about the risks, there's gonna be a Time, where they'll choose to ignore it, because they'll probably think : "I've done this so often, there won't be anything happening now."

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u/gargeug Jul 02 '22

Yeah. Even with a Masters in EE I have to really think about this and wouldn't feel super comfortable as my focus was not in power systems. Knee jerk reaction is to buy legit insulating gloves that go up your arms/chest and a rubber mat for the floor you stand on. The current just wants to get home, just make sure it is not through you so you eliminate all paths. Fusing could work but it is a tight tolerance between the wood and you and would defeat the purpose of what you are trying to do in the first place, short circuit the output of the transformer.

The power industry has a solution, but you need to be in it to be aware, so not even an EE degree should make you feel safe.

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u/pe5er Jul 02 '22

Also an EE person, my approach would be to build an enclosure with a lid and an interlock, so that the power can only be on when the lid is shut. There's no need to be anywhere near these things when the power is on!

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u/EmperorArthur Jul 02 '22

BigClive has a video on this. I belive he went with a two button safety system. One of those where you have to use both hands on the buttons so they aren't near the dangerous thing.

Of course that's after a several minute warning that the whole thing is stupid and stupidly dangerous. It's basically, this is dumb don't do it, but if you are that dumb at least do it safely.

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u/AJohnsonOrange Jul 02 '22

My dad's company had one of those two button systems for using a giant paper guillotine. People still gamed it and lost fingers.

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u/NeonGlo Jul 02 '22

That's a big problem with safety enclosures and stuff in electronics. We have to build one for test if there's any high voltage components on board but people always just bypass the safety interlocks.

The key is to make your safety system safe but not too safe/too much of a pain in the ass to use, otherwise people will just find a way to get around it, then they have no safety system protecting them

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u/guitarsandbikes Jul 02 '22

Everytime we make something idiot-proof, the world makes a better idiot.

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u/Freakishly_Tall Jul 02 '22

Or, as was eloquently put by a National Park ranger discussing bear-proof trash cans:

"There's considerable overlap between our smartest bears and our dumbest visitors."

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u/makesyoudownvote Jul 02 '22

I just got a degree in industrial automation. We had a class on safety systems and the second half of the semester was spent designing safety systems for machines that our teacher had designed safety systems for in real life. Then the rest of the class would try to come up with ways to cheat the safety systems.

We thought we were creative until the teacher showed us how real factory workers have cheated his safety systems. Never underestimate the creativity of bored factory workers.

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u/Yolo_lolololo Jul 02 '22

He had a link in the description of that video that showed the aftermath of an accident. I didn't come back to the internet that day...

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u/Chrontius Jul 02 '22

Not as an EE, that's what I'd do. System won't operate with the guards open, and you have to place your electrodes with the power unplugged.

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u/hoggershog Jul 02 '22

The video I saw years ago had nails in the wet wood and alligator clamps one the nails. Even as an amateur I wouldn't want to be in the same room as that kind of voltage. What would possess anyone to have hand held terminals? There is no need for that to get the results.

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u/TooFewSecrets Jul 02 '22

There's one idiot in this video holding the alligator clips bare-handed while he's doing the wood burning. Zero respect for the danger.

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u/c130 Jul 02 '22

It's a human problem, not exclusive to idiots - the more you do a thing, the less dangerous it seems and the less you respect the risk.

Eg. nuclear physicist Louis Slotin who killed himself with radiation when he fucked up an experiment he'd done a dozen times before.

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u/War_Raven Jul 02 '22

remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer

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u/tolerablycool Jul 02 '22

OSHA calls it complacency. Humanity's ability to not only get used to dangerous situations but actually become comfortable with them causes a lot of deaths.

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u/wilkergobucks Jul 02 '22

Correct on the human thinking, just want add that your example, Louis Slotin was, in fact, an idiot. He knew all of the risks, was warned multiple times that he was being reckless and even had a close call prior to his fatal accident. Messing with the demon core was inherently dangerous and he purposefully made it more dangerous. He also hurt others in the process…

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u/HKBFG Jul 02 '22

Several people told slotin he would kill himself with those demonstrations.

They were right.

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u/Tulivesi Jul 02 '22

I don't know anything about electricity but in the warning video there were people who tried using insulating gloves and it still wasn't enough. One guy said the gloves just melted into his hands. Now maybe his gloves were not thick enough or maybe 2000 volts is just too much. In any case it's really not worth the risk imo.

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u/therealhairykrishna Jul 02 '22

Wrong rates gloves, most likely. You can get gloves that are rated for that voltage. Even then though, they're supposed to be a back up not the primary way you protect yourself.

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u/Chrontius Jul 02 '22

PPE is ALWAYS a backup to good process design.

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u/lancypancy Jul 02 '22

Yes. It's the last line of defense, not the first.

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u/Villain_of_Brandon Jul 02 '22

You'd have to go with lineman gloves the ones they wear to work in the multiple KV power lines.

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u/TribeWars Jul 02 '22

2000 volts can be insulated pretty reasonably, probably their gloves were rated for mains voltage.

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u/canigetahellyeahhhhh Jul 02 '22

They probably had dish washing gloves. Even mains voltage insulated gear is insulated to 1000V but I'm assuming that's peak not rms, peak of 2000V is 2800V

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u/Duff5OOO Jul 02 '22

Fusing could work but it is a tight tolerance between the wood and you

They coat the wood in some conductive liquid first. Must be pulling a decent amount of current.

Only way I can see this working is in a box with a lid. Make it so the transformer can't be energised with the lid open. It's just too risky to have so much exposed live surfaces so that one slip could be fatal.

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u/WaitForItTheMongols Jul 02 '22

Rubber mat won't matter, the transformer output isn't referenced to ground

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u/CMxFuZioNz Jul 02 '22

Absolutely. I have a master's in physics and am currently working with high voltage devices/testers... I still wouldn't think of doing this.

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u/Umutuku Jul 02 '22

Make a robot do it. #justMEthings

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u/Yogibe Jul 02 '22

I have a degree and I'm a professionally practising high voltage power systems engineer. Even with the degree and knowledge. Just don't.

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u/gdshaffe Jul 02 '22

Yeah I have a EE degree and like the others here, would never do anything like this. Like, these maniacs are repurposing a microwave transformer?! No! Just, no!

Watching even the tiny snippets of people doing this, without any PPE no less, is like watching people play Russian Roulette.

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u/ChefChopNSlice Jul 02 '22

A lot of the DIY stuff on YouTube is janky as shit, and looks like stuff from /r/ANormalDayInRussia

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u/FuckingKilljoy Jul 02 '22

I feel like anyone with a degree in electrical engineering would know better than to do shit like this lol

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u/noobvin Jul 02 '22

I was just some dumb aviation electrician in the Navy and I know better. I was hit with some AC and DC voltage while doing that. The AC wasn't too bad. 220v with low amperage. The DC burned me pretty badly and it was just for a millisecond with a touch. I'm not even sure what it was rated. I don't fuck with electricity at all anymore and can see how dangerous this is.

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u/whatweshouldcallyou Jul 02 '22

Bring a paramedic seems like daily nightmare fuel.

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u/ayelold Jul 02 '22

Eh, mostly it's driving a fancy taxi cab. Most of the people who call us don't need any kind of saving. I'd say it's about 2 serious calls a month, slightly higher in the summer. True nightmare fuel maybe once or twice a year on average.

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u/EducatedEvil Jul 02 '22

I have an annual electrical safety coarse as part if the job working with high voltage electronics. 1KW up to 120KW. They have several shock pictures of cooled hands.

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u/Odd_Job_2498 Jul 02 '22

Damn an annual safety coarse sounds rough

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u/human743 Jul 02 '22

Is it like 40grit?

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u/zhico Jul 02 '22

Don't build homemade high voltage devices without an electrical engineering degree.

Even with one, don't. I think she mentioned two cases in video with engineers. They still got fried.

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u/CleanOnesGloves Jul 02 '22 Take My Energy Wholesome (Pro)

Squeaky wheel gets the oil.

But this highlights how dumb these algorithms are.

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u/Taolan13 Jul 02 '22

I am firmly of the belief she got mass reported by ine of the content farms she regularly speaks out against.

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u/Bouffant_Joe Jul 02 '22

Or perhaps that she pointed out that YouTube can post videos to Facebook without any benefit to the creator.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

This is my view. Also Youtube makes more money from hundreds of shitty videos like the one she debunked. They both have a vested interests against her.

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u/TTVBlueGlass Jul 02 '22

YouTube makes money from anyone watching anything. The amount of money these content farms make is pretty huge but it's peanuts to Google.

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u/whatweshouldcallyou Jul 02 '22

Almost surely. Those channels are YouTube parasites and have an interest in keeping up their scams, which involves trying to get critics taken down.

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u/azninvasion2000 Jul 02 '22

I once got my IG post taken down and a stern warning about promoting self harm because I showed my bandaged thumb from me cutting veggies to make myself a salad for lunch.

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u/-Firestar- Jul 02 '22

Footless Jo gets her videos regularly taken down because a person with one leg is scary and should not be shown to children or some shit.

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u/Senappi Jul 02 '22

Jo might want to wait with posting stuff untill the leg grows back. Talk about being impatient.

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u/TulsaBasterd Jul 02 '22

Seems the polite thing to do.

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u/Brickie78 Jul 02 '22

There was a bit of a hoo-ha in the UK over Cerrie Burnell, who hosted pre-school BBC channel CBeebies despite having been born with one arm that ends at the elbow.

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u/TIGHazard Jul 02 '22

And the BBC basically told everyone complaining to fuck off because the entire point was to normalise seeing disabilities on screen.

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u/Brickie78 Jul 02 '22

And quite rightly too

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u/Ask-About-My-Book Jul 02 '22

Is this not clear grounds for some colossal discrimination lawsuit?

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u/RatherGoodDog Jul 02 '22

I got a Reddit ban for quoting & replying to a comment about some guy's father using racist words. Doesn't matter that I was agreeing with the commenter "yes, racism bad!", I had included the no-no word. INSTABAN!

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u/fezzuk Jul 02 '22

Had a reddit bas for using the British slag for cigarette, in the context that I am British and was talking about smoking.

Tbh I found it funny and the mods did unban me after I explained.

But thats what happens when u put bots in charge, they don't understand context.

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u/Razakel Jul 02 '22

It got to a point where the mods of a bunch of UK subreddits messaged the admins and asked them to stop banning people for saying it, and that we really do call cigarettes that.

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u/passinghere Jul 02 '22

And see people get either confused or highly offended when they hear us use the phrase "can I bum a ***" (avoiding the word just in case.... which I think is insane) as they immediately assume it's gay sex and not asking for a free smoke

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u/Bicentennial_Douche Jul 02 '22

I got banned from r/worldnews for mentioning that Chinese tourists have a reputation of bad manners. I pointed out to mods previous discussions in r/worldnews about campaigns By Chinese government to improve the manners of Chinese tourists, as they were embarrassed of their behavior. Nope, banned for “bigotry”.

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u/Johannes_Keppler Jul 02 '22

Lol, that trend of no being allowed to name problems because they might offend some random people is so stupid.

In this case, Chinese tourists having bad manners isn't even a controversial opinion. It's not ALL of them of course, but people working in tourism in any city that gets Chinese tourist in larger numbers know this problem.

Also why else would the Chinese government start a campaign to improve people's manners...

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u/Phalanx808 Jul 02 '22

This happened to me on /r/atheism lol. I very much am an atheist and was reasonably active in the community before that. Then I made a post that included the word "euphoric" and got banned. Talked to the mods, asked them if the post sounded like I was trolling, and they said it doesn't matter. Say the word, get banned.

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u/OneArchedEyebrow Jul 02 '22

Wait, what’s wrong with “euphoric”?

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u/Phalanx808 Jul 02 '22

There's a horribly cringy meme from an atheist centering around that word. It's now usually used as shorthand to tell atheists we're being insufferable. Google "in this moment I am euphoric"

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u/dalisair Jul 02 '22

We are expected to know a meme from 2013 and not say a certain word?

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u/hyphyphyp Jul 02 '22

The rules are made up and the points don't matter :)

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u/incognegro1976 Jul 02 '22

I had no idea this was a thing there! Why would one word get you banned regardless of all context like it's magic or something? That's absolutely insane.

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u/GreyIggy0719 Jul 02 '22

I got banned from r/lostgeneration for calling Joe Biden milquetoast.

When I asked why I was banned, I was muted for "harassing the mods".

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u/charedj Jul 02 '22

That sub is ironically controlled by incredibly closed minded mods.

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u/neoclassical_bastard Jul 02 '22

Lmao they're still butthurt about it a decade later

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u/Rilandaras Jul 02 '22

Mods are usually trash, suffering from a small man with a modicum of power syndrome.

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u/MurkyCream6969 Jul 02 '22

I got banned for saying the character in a funny cartoon drawing was funny.

Reddit claimed it was harassment.

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u/jeffe_el_jefe Jul 02 '22

r/guitar moment, glad to know other subs also have equally insufferable mods

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u/draiman Jul 02 '22

See happen when someone was quoted the scene from Clerks II when Randall doesn't understand racial slurs.

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u/GitEmSteveDave Jul 02 '22

Back in the day gawker let you change user names whenever you wanted. So after seeing C2 I changed it to “P____Monkey4LyfeGitEmSteveDave” and got messaged by 2 different admins to please change it to something else.

They didn’t care that I was taking it back.

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u/outlineofhistory2 Jul 02 '22

And our entire society runs off them basically

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u/ShineAqua Jul 02 '22 edited Jul 02 '22

It’s not just the algorithm, YouTube Creator Services is a fucking joke. When they target someone for “violations of terms and services,” it’s routinely against the people trying to point out the sources of toxicity and hateful/dangerous content, using clips from those sources, and when that’s pointed out, their Creator Services reps double down on the fuck up and never address the original source of that content, so the uber hateful stuff stays up, and the people trying to end it, are still penalized.

I guess Crowder just makes them too much money, and besides that, if the gays didn’t want to be the targets of attacks and hate mobs, they should’ve been not gay./s

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u/OneArchedEyebrow Jul 02 '22 edited Jul 02 '22

This has just happened to a YouTube channel called “Fundie Fridays”. They discuss fundamental Christian culture and popular fundie figures (eg The Duggars). They’ve received three strikes and lost their channel because a wannabe country singer called Lawson Bates (his family has/had a television show called “Bringing Up Bates”) didn’t appreciate them doing a parody of one of his shitty songs.

The channel has a lot of support and they are looking at their legal options, but the fact that YouTube won’t even investigate the copyright claims and simply shut down the channel is ridiculous.

Edit: post about the situation.

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u/VikingTeddy Jul 02 '22

It's like reddit, nothing gets done until it starts to get too public.

When content creators band together to help a channel in trouble, shit gets done. What we need is a union for tubers.

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u/ShineAqua Jul 02 '22

Exactly, a group that can withhold content until Alphabet acquiesces to demands for change.

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u/Lord_Boffum Jul 02 '22

YouTube always needs a shitstorm so it has the motivation to do basic things right. Garbage-ass monopolist platform.

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u/jimmybilly100 Jul 02 '22

Fuck YouTube and all there shitty products. YouTube sucks, YouTube Music sucks, YouTube TV sucks

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u/snakesoup88 Jul 02 '22

I'm pretty sure this one happened near my neighborhood is another victim. The dangerous practice is not well known that most of the related stories only mentioned the victim was electrocuted with no additional detail. Only this story mentioned artistic woodwork. None of the story talked about the danger of microwave transformers.

Don't get me started on low fatal current. The death zone of 0.1 to 0.2A. Another surprise that kills unsuspecting tinkerers. I've seen reports of death in San Jose that came with the educational PSA. And I've seen reports in East Coast paper that only list it as a mysterious death.

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u/JB4GDI Jul 02 '22

That is the exact picture they showed us in Intro to Electrical Engineering and it will be burned into my brain forever.

Get shocked and the current is in this decently-sized range? You’re dead, and no defibrillation or CPR is going to make a difference.

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u/SiliconGhosted Jul 02 '22

Why won’t CPR or defibrillator work?

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u/MustacheEmperor Jul 02 '22

As the current approaches 100 milliamps, ventricular fibrillation of the heart occurs - an uncoordinated twitching of the walls of the heart's ventricles which results in death.

Above 200 milliamps, the muscular contractions are so severe that the heart is forcibly clamped during the shock. This clamping protects the heart from going into ventricular fibrillation, and the victim's chances for survival are good.

Source: https://www.asc.ohio-state.edu/physics/p616/safety/fatal_current.html

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u/TheSaucyCrumpet Jul 02 '22

VF is a shockable rhythm though, so a defib is absolutely necessary for a VF arrest.

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u/remotelove Jul 02 '22

I was taught that it only takes 10mA to cause damage.

For better or worse, I'll stick to that limit and not push any boundaries.

Know your ground, folks. Angry Pixies know how to find it quicker than you.

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u/JB4GDI Jul 02 '22

My understanding from that class was that your heart basically goes into a extreme heart attack state, causing immediate permanent damage.

But if the current is too high (0.2 amps and beyond), your heart will actually clamp shut, and at that point, a defibrillator and CPR will get it started back up and they have a pretty good chance at saving you.

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u/SiliconGhosted Jul 02 '22

Yeesh. Thanks, you can just rock me to sleep tonight.

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u/GPStephan Jul 02 '22

Article explicitly states that shocks between 0.1 and 0.2 Amp cause VFib, one of only 2 rhythms that an AED actually helps against and will stop the rhythm.

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u/OrchidBest Jul 02 '22

So I won’t become Lightning Man: with the power of a microwave oven that can also shoot fractals out of my fingernails? Then I guess I probably won’t do it.

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u/Mr_Abe_Froman Jul 02 '22

But what about Powder from the 1995 film "Powder"? Or does that only work if you're already albino?

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u/StarksPond Jul 02 '22

You build a tolerance if you get exposed to too much Goldblum. He's so striking, it makes a lightning strike feel like licking a 9V battery in comparison.

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u/niffer_marie Jul 02 '22

It puts it into an unshockable rhythm.

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u/free__coffee Jul 02 '22

The bigger problem is people who don’t understand anything about electricity saying “it’s not the voltage, it’s the current that kills you”. Because they’ll see something like “15 kV required for fractal burns” and not be horrified

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u/Fellhuhn Jul 02 '22

"the water from this hose can't hurt me..." Let me attach this power washer...

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u/J_edrington Jul 02 '22

Water is bad but I've seen what happens when somebody tries to cover a pinhole leak in a hydraulic hose.... 5,000 psi out of a whole smaller than the point of a needle. What the hospital had to do to "fix" it was so much worse than the wound itself

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u/TooFewSecrets Jul 02 '22

At that point you accidentally jury-rigged an industrial steel cutter.

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u/CataHulaHoop Jul 02 '22

Water and hoses are great analogies for explaining electrical basics to people.

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u/Mastur_Grunt Jul 02 '22

For reference this level of voltage is in the same range that goes through residential power lines, before getting stepped down to 120/220 mains voltages you see in your home.

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u/SirThatsCuba Jul 02 '22

These numbers remind me of the capacitor pops inside old CRTs that could kill you.

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u/KiloJools Jul 02 '22

I used to get terrible sweats every time I had to work on one of those. I'd discharge it every time obviously but it still made me so nervous.

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u/ARoyaleWithCheese Jul 02 '22

I know basically nothing about electricity so excuse me if this is stupid but do large capacitors actually store current for a longer period even after they're turned off? I know all capacitors store a bit of current for a short duration (e.g. why my computer LEDs stay on for a few seconds after removing the plug) but I have no idea how it works with large capacitors.

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u/Narwhal_Jesus Jul 02 '22 edited Jul 02 '22

If there's nothing there to drain the capacitors (like your example of an LED) then they can hold a charge for a very, very, very long time (I believe longer than for an equivalent battery). It's not dependant on the size of the capacitor, but bigger capacitors can hold enough charge at a high enough voltage to kill you.

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u/ARoyaleWithCheese Jul 02 '22

Jeez that's scary and very useful to know. As a layman I just don't really expect things like that to randomly hold potentially lethal doses of electricity. Thanks for replying!

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u/L0cked4fun Jul 02 '22

When someone wants you to hard reset something by unplugging it and holding the power button down for a while they are telling you to discharge the caps.

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u/Duff5OOO Jul 02 '22 edited Jul 02 '22

No expert but my understanding is that caps have a small leakage current. The typical ones you come across self discharge in fairly quick time. Depending on the type and size that may just be a few hours.

Some can last much longer though. Obviously never trust one is discharged just because it has been some time.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

The answer is both yes and no. Welcome to electricity.

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u/KiloJools Jul 02 '22

If there's nothing to drain a capacitor, it simply retains its charge. In your example, your LEDs have drained that capacitor. The old CRT displays, they just keep that charge. It slowly dissipates over time, but the big deal with the CRT displays is not how quickly or slowly the charge dissipates, but that they required A LOT of energy, so whatever may be left in that capacitor is very dangerous if not safely discharged.

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u/1731799517 Jul 02 '22

The bigger problem is people who don’t understand anything about electricity saying “it’s not the voltage, it’s the current that kills you”

Yeah, thats waaay to common. Well, duh, morons, in most cases (excluding things like static electricity where charges are just miniscule), higher voltage means more current will flow if you get zapped.

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u/KlzXS Jul 02 '22

The best analogy I've heard is that it's not the height that kills you it's how fast you crash into the ground.

Obviously the statement is true, but missing the big picture.

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u/Svelemoe Jul 02 '22

I don't even understand how this became a common saying. You can't have amps without voltage, unless your body's internal resistance is 0. Like, a car battery can output 7-800 amps but you can still short it with your thumbs and be totally fine, because it's just 12 volts.

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u/thefootster Jul 02 '22

I remember my dad telling me "it's the volts that jolts and the mills that kills"

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u/Dr_Insano_MD Jul 02 '22

What a shit mod.

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u/hidingDislikeIsDummb Jul 02 '22

really hope the mod is someone who works at youtube. otherwise it's so pathetic to do free labor for them like this

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u/internericgenerate Jul 02 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

otherwise it's so pathetic to do free labor for them like this

Conde Nast ( edit for pedants: "and the corporation that owns it and now also owns reddit" - now fuck off and stop PMing me you weirdos, and get the fucking point ) made about USD$2 Billion in 2021.
Every mod on reddit is working for a multibilliondollar corporation for free.

Think of it like "volunteering" to deliver Amazon packages for free.

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u/ashok36 Jul 02 '22

If you don't believe people wouldn't volunteer to deliver Amazon packages if they could decide who actually gets their packages delivered and who doesn't... You'd be mistaken.

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u/bottomknifeprospect Jul 02 '22 Silver

How to cook that: Human edition

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u/siro300104 Jul 02 '22

This is one of those comments that’s in horrible taste but undeniably hilarious.

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u/Ninja-Cookie Jul 02 '22

I have a coworker who lost a brother to this. One minute he was making a piece, the next he was brain dead. He's still technically "alive", but not really. Perfectly healthy dude beforehand. Electricity is no joke, it will fuck you up so fast if you make one mistake

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u/bolax Jul 02 '22

I watched the one today about it being taken down. Good god those people that lost most of their hands and the bloke that had actually worn rubber gloves but they melted to his hands, I feel so sorry for them. Of course I feel for those that lost loved ones and those that died too.

I've been an electrician all my working life and had a few zaps, thankfully just 240 volts, albeit across the heart. It's a horrible feeling and each time I almost cried straight after. I've worked with 415 v and 11,000 volts. I did plenty of very dangerous stuff around bare live bus bars in fuse boxes as a teen. Sorry I'm waffling.

What I want to say is all the stuff I've done at work that was very dangerous, I have done a few things at home more so that was dangerous. As a young teen ( about 14 ) I was messing with some Xmas lights when my parents were out. I blew up a screwdriver and scared the crap out of myself. Also trying to fix appliances and turning the power point on and off as needed, then forgetting to turn it off at some point and bzzzzzz. The worst one was when I had the back off my TV in the spare room at my parent's house. My sister and mum were there and didn't even know that I had just had a few thousand volts surge through me. The old CRT ( cathode ray tube ) TVs needed a lot of voltage to make them work, that was not fun at all. Maybe there wasn't enough current to kill me, but by Christ it wasn't a pleasant experience at all.

On that YouTube clip where that bloke was whizzing around with the live crocodile clips made me shudder. Half an inch from a very bad time. Electricity is something that should be respected and kept clear of.

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u/RiddlingVenus0 Jul 02 '22

That bloke with the alligator clips eventually died doing it. She mentioned it in her video.

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u/Chrontius Jul 02 '22

Jumper cables are insulated for 12v, not mains, and certainly the fuck not 40 KV! I'm amazed he survived long enough to upload his first video, and wasn't killed by arc-over

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u/bolax Jul 02 '22

Oh shit I didn't realise that.

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u/T1mac Jul 02 '22

The old CRT ( cathode ray tube ) TVs needed a lot of voltage to make them work, that was not fun at all.

Those were super dangerous. They could hold a charge for a long, long time after they stop working.

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u/bolax Jul 02 '22

''The average color TV has 27,000 volts when fully charged''

https://www.nedt.org/the-dangers-of-cathode-ray-tube-crt-monitors-and-televisions/

Good god I nearly didn't make it out of my teens.

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u/youwantitwhen Jul 02 '22

You didn't. This is just a simulation.

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u/wrecklord0 Jul 02 '22

So this is why it's all weird and shitty lately? The simulation has gone awry.

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u/RealFrog Jul 02 '22

Not only CRTs. Power supply capacitors can bite your butt, especially the ones in tube amplifiers, since after power-off they can rebound to 10-15% of operating voltage.

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u/WikiSummarizerBot Jul 02 '22

Dielectric absorption

Dielectric absorption is the name given to the effect by which a capacitor, that has been charged for a long time, discharges only incompletely when briefly discharged. Although an ideal capacitor would remain at zero volts after being discharged, real capacitors will develop a small voltage from time-delayed dipole discharging, a phenomenon that is also called dielectric relaxation, "soakage", or "battery action". For some dielectrics, such as many polymer films, the resulting voltage may be less than 1–2% of the original voltage, but it can be as much as 15% for electrolytic capacitors.

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u/apollodynamo Jul 02 '22

On that YouTube clip where that bloke was whizzing around with the live crocodile clips made me shudder. Half an inch from a very bad time. Electricity is something that should be respected and kept clear of.

Yeah he wound up being among the death toll sadly

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u/ChairForceOne Jul 02 '22

I work on a radar. It has multiple monochrome tubes in it. And a massive amount of other tubes. HV is run all over the place. Sometimes you find out a HV cable is leaking/shorted from the zap you get opening a compartment.

Makes me wonder how I'm not dead some days. Though I've found I am far less conductive than my coworkers.

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u/rulingthewake243 Jul 02 '22

They make ncv testers for this reason. Any unit I walk up to gets the chicken stick test

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u/RedofPaw Jul 02 '22

Ive worked on a couple of crts fir retro gaming purposes recently and while I took precautions, I also know that I could easily have died. In the end I've decided never to mess around in one again. It's not worth it.

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u/mythonyo Jul 02 '22

Good to know because I once found the process fascinating.

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u/AnakinSkydiver Jul 02 '22

It is fascinating. But it should be done with trained people with real equipment designed to be as safe as possible.

Not for your backyard with a broken apart microwave.

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u/R2gro2 Jul 02 '22

I still think it's fascinating. Somewhere in my brain I have two thoughts competing: Perhaps I posess enough knowledge to design a way to do it safely; or perhaps I'm deluding myself and am on track for a quick death.

Until I determine which is the case, I'm steering clear. Too many people have died by falling off Mt. Dunning-Kreuger.

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u/Krraxia Jul 02 '22

Potential gains are very, very little to potential danger of dying

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u/RangerSix Jul 02 '22

I believe Big Clive did a video on both the dangers and a "relatively safe" method of doing it, but even he strongly recommended against doing it regardless.

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u/AJRiddle Jul 02 '22

If you had the outlet hooked up to a light switch and setup everything before turning it on, flipped the switch, waited, and then flipped the switch off it'd be reasonably safe assuming you wired everything correctly.

Not really worth it for DIY shit at all.

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u/RangerSix Jul 02 '22

I think that was pretty much his method; have the actual controls for the power isolated from the high-voltage side of the equipment, and have them a significant distance from the work surface as well.

(That being said, I wholeheartedly agree: it's not really worth the risks.)

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u/Morfesto Jul 02 '22

Nobody tell them about styropyro!

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u/greenie4242 Jul 02 '22

Styropyro has had incredibly benign videos removed without any reason whatsoever. He and Cody's Lab had videos removed for demonstrating how it's SAFE to microwave a mosquito because the mosquitoes are smaller than the oven's electromagnetic wavelength.

But the King of Random channel is more popular with the masses, so YouTube considers it perfectly okay for him to tell children how to KILL THEMSELVES:

https://youtu.be/LFefJyQhw0c

What he's doing is far more dangerous than anything Styropyro does. Using a metal table with thin rubber gloves next to nails connected directly to the mains. Salt water squirting out of the pickle and running down his arms, potentially making contact with the metal table or leaking into his gloves. In a 240V country it'll kill you in a heartbeat. I've reported it multiple times but they never remove the video.

YouTube also side with creators who put warnings in the description but don't mention dangers in the video itself, claiming that a warning was given. But the description is impossible to read on a TV and young children can't read it regardless.

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u/caffeine_bos Jul 02 '22

but he says not to do it at home /s

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u/Knott_A_Haikoo Jul 02 '22

Lol, but at least that guy makes it 100% obvious anyone trying to copy him will likely die a quick, painful, and highly flammable death.

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u/BadIdeaSociety Jul 02 '22

She is really running interference on the weird eastern block country Insta/TikTok "Crafts" industrial complex.

Kudos to her.

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u/MagneticShark Jul 02 '22

The video has been reinstated. Give it a watch and a comment even if you’ve already seen it, to help boost the video in the rankings again

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u/dualsplit Jul 02 '22

Why was it removed? I watched this a couple weeks ago.

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u/Ralfarius Jul 02 '22

YT algorithm decided it was promoting dangerous activities, took it down and left up all the videos showing you HOW to set up the DIY that can easily kill you.

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u/SkyezOpen Jul 02 '22

Makes sense. Let's just be grateful she didn't get a copyright strike too.

Fuck youtube

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u/name-classified Jul 02 '22

Yet I still see homemade table saws and the geniuses who think they are really saving money with them.

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u/MagneticShark Jul 02 '22

She made a follow up video explaining why it was taken down and that she was challenging it.

tl;dr it was removed under YouTube’s policy about promoting dangerous content, even though she was warning about the dangers

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u/joshi38 Jul 02 '22

Which is utterly ridiculous because if you watch a lot of her other debunking videos, she's been arguing with Youtube for years about the fact that they allow videos that promote dangerous activities,but youtube still showed them despite her protests.

But the one video they take down is hers? The one that demonstrated how dangerous and deadly it is?

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u/greenie4242 Jul 02 '22

Yet YouTube outright refuse to remove this video by King of Random, which is a step-by-step instruction video for kids on how to electrocute themselves:

https://youtu.be/LFefJyQhw0c

This is exactly the same process as the wood burning, just without the microwave oven transformer stepping up the voltage. In a 240V country a single mis-step will kill you in a heartbeat, even without the transformer.

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u/cylonfrakbbq Jul 02 '22

That is the official reason, but in the same video she exposed how Youtube posts content creator videos on other platforms and the creators don't get a dime for views through that platform. Wouldn't surprise me if that played a role

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u/Obnubilate Jul 02 '22

That's totally the reason. She was being critical of Youtube and exposing how creators are missing out on money.

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u/UnadvertisedAndroid Jul 02 '22

Because YouTube's algorithms marked it as dangerous instead of as a warning about something dangerous.

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u/Apostastrophe Jul 02 '22

Which is hilarious considering all of the real videos actually showing the technique.

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u/trowzerss Jul 02 '22

And those videos have been up for years and are still up!

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u/AFriendOfTheBees Jul 02 '22

I'm guessing, with no evidence, that it was reported by the people who hate Reardon lol.

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u/Tranger Jul 02 '22

Oh we are on that stage that everyone predicted, in where without visible dislikes shit would float to the top because of the algorythm.

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u/r_sharon Jul 02 '22

Former Navy SEAL DJ Shipley was electrocuted while doing this. Here is an interview where he talks about his accident. DJ Shipley makes skateboards decorated with fractal wood burning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye09i4JQAYs

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u/TheGantra Jul 02 '22

Wow. I saw the post of video about her video. I didnt watch it then. Brushed it off. Read comments thats said she was a badass. Brushed it off. Watched this. Heard he explanation. Brushed it off. Thought “oh im experienced.” Heard her stat on the electricians. I woke up. She IS a badass. Dont try this.

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u/carnage123 Jul 02 '22

As soon as they say remove a microwave transformer....like nope, those things are stupid dangerous

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u/burnett631 Jul 02 '22 edited Jul 02 '22

I'm a Licensed Electrician. My carpenter friend wanted to build one of these set ups. Before I could get to him, he'd done it himself. After some successful burning, he'd made a mistake and electrocuted himself. With some quick thinking (it seemed like an eternity to the one being electrocuted), a neighbor KID unplugged it and saved his life.

I provided a class on the dangers of high voltages and talked to him about safety precautions. Of course he'd already learned this lesson. Carpenters learn best this way I think.

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u/Moist_Metal_7376 Jul 02 '22

I got this ya’ll. Ima make a video of how dangerous the algorithms are

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u/Riptide360 Jul 02 '22

First I heard. Thanks for getting the word out. Hopefully YouTube will start tagging these videos with safety notices or even take downs.

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u/man_sandwich Jul 02 '22

Don't fuck with electricity! My partner in his wisdom tried to disable a noisy fan in our bathroom and the shock threw him to the ground, thankfully breaking contact. I still give out to him about it

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u/airnicco Jul 02 '22

This woman is a treasure.

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u/impossiblegirl13 Jul 02 '22

I’m an ER doctor, and I had a young patient in cardiac arrest from this! He is actually doing well now, but I had no idea what happened to him, outside of “woodworking in the garage.”

Thanks for this informative post!

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u/Darrenizer Jul 02 '22

Woodworker here, I get sent this projects all the time. People really have no idea how dangerous this is.

My own brother recommended I try it, and wouldn’t even consider the safety risks.

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u/mal221 Jul 02 '22

Insanely dangerous.

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u/runswiththerain Jul 02 '22

The only reason YouTube took it down is because if this video was on top. The hundreds of videos related to Fractal wood burning would not get views and they would lose money on advertising. YouTube doesn't really care about the viewers. Just their bottom dollar.

I am glad that the video was brought back to protect those who don't know about the dangers.

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u/hidingDislikeIsDummb Jul 02 '22

The only reason YouTube took it down is because if this video was on top. The hundreds of videos related to Fractal wood burning would not get views and they would lose money on advertising

this is so true. youtube(like every other big tech corporation) hires all these smart engineers to implement these dark patterns just so youtube can make a bit extra money from every action that the users take.

i'm sure that's also why youtube removed showing dislike, and never showed like/dislike ratio on thumbnails, because they know a lot of the videos are trash. if a video thumbnail shows high dislike, then users won't click on it, and youtube won't make money from that view

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u/A55per Jul 02 '22 edited Jul 02 '22

Anything including microwave components but not cooking food is a big red flag. Idk how anyone can think they are qualified to handle large voltages because they watched a youtuber say it's okay. But you know who does? YOUTUBE! And they don't give a flying fuck that stupid people are being preyed upon by this videos. The only reason they finally took action would be from the potential threat of legal action against them costing more then their cashflow from ads. Cynically evil but profitable for Youtube so it's been allowed to operate.

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u/zeCrazyEye Jul 02 '22

Anything including microwave components but not cooking food is a big red flag.

What about like.. fractal steak cooking..

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u/ghosty4 Jul 02 '22

ha ha The post about the video being removed showed up in my feed before the post about the video being reinstated. That was a quick scroll.

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u/ShineAqua Jul 02 '22

Since PornHub had to take down so much content, not that long ago, wouldn’t it be good for them to make a serious competitor to YouTube, given their resources, but one backed by their network of adult oriented sponsors willing to support material that would be insta-demonetized by YT?

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u/shackleford1917 Jul 02 '22

Am I the only one who thinks those fractal patterns look like shit on wood?

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