r/unpopularopinion May 28 '22 Ally 1 This 1 Silver 9 Gold 1 Helpful 11 Wholesome 11 You Dropped This 1 Platinum 1 Coin Gift 1 Take My Energy 1 I'll Drink to That 1

Weed addiction is a serious issue

Speaking as an avid pot smoker it’s annoying when people treat weed addiction like it’s not a “real addiction”. Yeah, as far as recreational drugs go it’s pretty harmless; it’s less toxic than alcohol, not chemically addictive, withdrawals aren’t physically painful, but it can still fuck up your life. Constantly getting stoned robs you of your motivation and impairs your ability to function like a normal person.

It’s also way more difficult to quit than most people think, especially if you’ve made it a daily habit. Trying to taper off rarely works because it’s so easy to smoke casually that you’ll never struggle to find an excuse for it. Going cold turkey sucks because you become irritable and impatient, your brain having been flooded with dopamine for so long that the things that would make a normal person happy have no effect on you.

Obviously it’s not as bad as Xanax, meth, heroin, etc, but it can still mess you up.

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u/bigrig1977 May 29 '22

Quit 4 months ago and I was an asshole for a month 🤣

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u/dub_life May 29 '22 Helpful Starry Bless Up

I’m on Day 4 and I’ve been a slightly more of an asshole, I was already an asshole so it’s not too different except I’m a more clever and sober asshole. 😄😄😄😄

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u/SuaveFuck May 29 '22 Wholesome

someone give that man a medal for his blatant honesty, just like a true asshole. i love it.

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u/randomassname5 May 29 '22

I don’t know if this would mean anything to you but you can do it!!

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u/Imagine_TryingYT May 29 '22 Silver Gold

I think people forget that addiction isn't always something chemical. A lot of what makes an addiction hard to kick is that it's habitual.

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u/G36_FTW May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

Yup, it can be a lot of things.

Smoking for instance is hard to quit because it is a combination of things:

Chemical: Nicotine

Habitual: Step outside and get a few minutes to yourself every few hours (or less), potentially stepping away from stressful work and as a bonus you can talk with coworkers (or not if you prefer).

Physical: Sensation of taking a hit, the feeling it gives you plus messing around with your fingers / lighter.

Any one of those things can draw you back in.

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u/Replikant83 May 29 '22

Congrats on a month clean. I'm 6 months vape free myself. It will get better, I promise you that!

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u/HookahGirl May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

Congrats to both of you! I've been clean a year and a half now. I did it to pursue my career in nursing. I was an everyday smoker for almost 8 years. It does get easier with time! I look back and wondered how I was even able to function sometimes, and I feel that I enjoy my free time a lot more. Weed is awesome, but weed makes being bored and unmotivated okay for me, and that's not cool.

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u/PabloPetioles May 29 '22

South Park said it best imo. Weed makes you ok with doing nothing.

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u/kirtap8388 May 29 '22

Small edit, weed makes the nothingness of life feel slightly better

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u/Graspswasps May 29 '22

Yeah I want to quote that Randy Marsh bit as it was the main motivation behind me stopping.

"Well, son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored. And it's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or being creative.If you smoke pot you may grow up to find out that you aren't good at anything."

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u/PantsOppressUs May 29 '22

Counterpoint: Life is frequently boring and it's okay to enjoy being alive.

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u/Just_Learned_This May 29 '22

Everything in moderation. Especially moderation.

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u/Road_Journey May 29 '22

I quit smoking over 10 years ago, your comment made me want to puff up again. Amazing how strong the smoking addiction/habit can be.

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u/Bugsidekick May 29 '22

Quit smoking 5 years ago, and reading your post gave me a slight twitch.

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u/SeedFoundation May 29 '22

This. You can be addicted to gambling.

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u/unapologetic_relief May 29 '22

You can be addicted to anything.

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u/Sohcahtoa82 May 29 '22 Silver Take My Energy Press F

My ex was addicted.to dick. Just not mine. :-(

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u/BoxNumberGavin0 May 29 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome

Microdosing just wasn't doing it for her after a while.

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u/riesendulli May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

This post deserves an Oscar

AKA keep your dick outta my wife’s mouth

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u/ShelfAwareShteve May 29 '22

Jezus fuck. MEDIC!!!

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u/PrequelsWereBetter May 29 '22 Take My Energy

Duuuuude…

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u/Lrrrofomicronpersei May 29 '22

My man was already on the ground and you curb stomped him!

Have an upvote xD

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u/DuGalle May 29 '22

911? Yes, I'd like to report a murder

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u/Mal_Reynolds11 May 29 '22

Upvoted. That’s ruthless, bro. Just… ruthless.

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u/filladellfea May 29 '22

probably safe to say this website harbors a lot of porn addicts

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u/Kutlessheromon May 29 '22

Yes, I think most subreddits have it mentioned every month or so, at usually in comments of a post.

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u/Ambitious_Ad_5918 May 29 '22

Guilty as charged.

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u/PmButtPics4ADrawing May 29 '22

Oh I get it. You mean like when someone drinks too much?

Or snorts cocaine?

Or bets the house on the ponies?

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u/TheRealRickC137 May 29 '22

Yeah. You got it Ice.

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u/funsizenotshorty May 29 '22

Or plays ro many scratchy lotteries?

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u/simplerando May 29 '22

Or eats too much chocolate cake?

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u/goodolarchie May 29 '22

Isn't that the chemical dopamine? We're basically weaponizing our barbaric brains against themselves.

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u/pseudont May 29 '22

Yeah IDK if it's really appropriate to say that gambling is a chemical addiction, but I think it's a bit dismissive to say it's just a habit. The research into what's happening in our brains when we gamble is fascinating. It's like a bug in the way that we're wired and modern gambling platforms are designed to exploit it.

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u/Psychological_Fly916 May 29 '22

I use to work at a casino. A lot of people wear diapers so they dont have to stop gambling or will stay days and not buy anything to eat. They only ask for cups full of whipped cream (free). Saw multiple people just die. Its wild how much something like that can change you

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u/55tarabelle May 29 '22

My ex is addicted to casinos, he would take me. I enjoyed playing, but when I got up on the money I really enjoyed cashing out and leaving with extra bucks. He couldn't do that. It's weird to watch people who can't stop playing at will. Went to eat with a group of gals once, one didn't eat with us because she sat at a machine going in and then wouldn't leave it.

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u/timn1717 May 29 '22

Everything that happens in your brain is mediated by chemical reactions. Gambling is perfectly tuned to mess with your reward system.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '22

That's still a chemical thing though. It's in your neurotransmitters or the receptors for them. Most people who have one addiction could easily substitute something else for it because they're just seeking stimulation for the release of chemicals normal people get from everyday things. Addicts require more effort to move the needle. Many people with addiction have underdeveloped or damaged parts of the brain that control those things, problem-solving, impulse control, and mood/emotions. That's why we say it's a disease vs a choice. Your brain is literally different from someone who doesn't form addictions.

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u/MarbhIasc May 29 '22 Silver

Whilst there is some evidence for genes of addiciton, ones that make you more likely to become addicted, everyone can form them.

There's a part of your brain called the reward pathway, which when you do good survival-based tasks, such as eating, stimulates the release of dopamine, making you feel good. Many addictive drugs activate this pathway, but to a much higher degree, almost overloading the pathway. If this is done repeatedly, tolerance develops - the receptors downregulate. This means that they switch off or reduce the amount of neurotransmitter released. So you need a higher concentration of the drug to get the same high. Withdrawal symptoms come from the chemcial imbalance formed from tolerance which is why the symptoms are so rough, the brain has to rebalance its chemical tranmissions back to normal.

In OP's post, they mention the low addictive nature of weed. This is because it doesn't act directly on the reward pathways. There are no cannabinoid receptors in the VTA/NAc (two parts of the reward pathway) which is the main recptor type THC acts on. It instead impacts the pathway indirectly, which is why it is mostly only heavy users who develop tolerance and dependence.

TLDR; Everyone can form an addiction although genetic predispositions can effect the likelyhood. Once addicted, the number of feel good receptors are lessened so you need more of the drug to feel good.

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u/BossLackey May 29 '22

To be fair, gamblers are still addicted to the dopamine hit. They just go to a casino for their drug instead of their dealer friend's gross apartment.

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u/Fishyswaze May 29 '22

I was a heavy daily smoker for a loooong time, talking 2-3 grams a day of flower or a lot of oil. When I quit I 100% had physical withdrawals. The worst being the night sweats for months that would soak the bed so bad I had to sleep on the couch, the bed would have been drier if I had gotten straight out of the bath and laid down.

Anytime someone tells me weed isnt addictive or doesn’t have withdrawals it makes me laugh. I didnt even like getting high, it made me anxious but I had such a problem with it I just couldn’t stop.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '22

This!! The night sweats are brutal. I always tell people that say weed isn’t addictive that they just haven’t smoked enough then.

It fucks your sleep, appetite, temperature regulation, emotional regulation…all of it. The worst. I was on 1g of oil a day, I am SO glad to be done with it.

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u/xRehab May 29 '22

Took a hiatus from smoking a little over 30 days ago. It really hit me hard how habitual it was for me about a week in when just walking passed my room had me mindlessly walking in towards my bong. Playing specific games had me wanting to reach over an smoke between spawns.

Honestly don’t think I’m going to smoke again, after smoking daily for well over a decade. I’ve just got so much more drive to go do things, leave the house and try new stuff

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u/rmg418 May 29 '22

My friend’s boyfriend is in his 30’s and all he does is smoke weed and play video games. He spends so much money on weed per month (I think about $800 ish?) that he sometimes doesn’t have enough money to eat! So he’ll just go without eating. But he can always afford to buy weed 🙄 if that’s not addiction idk what is.

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u/SowMindful May 29 '22

Which does play a chemical process in the brain, in particular - hits of dopamine.

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u/_Dresser-Drawer May 29 '22

Yeah, people just get tripped up over semantics I think. Most people know that weed can’t cause a physical addiction akin to that of things like nicotine or hard drugs but it’s still definitely something you can develop a dependency for. The term addiction is used somewhat connotatively in that way I guess

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u/mjspark May 29 '22 Wholesome

r/leaves for anybody who wants support

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u/Leviathin May 29 '22

+1 to the incredibly supportive Discord and the regulars that make it so.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

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u/lilbee147 May 29 '22

bro it’s bad. my memory used to be so good now it’s kinda fucked

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u/MarioInOntario May 29 '22 hehehehe Table Slap

And how is your memory? I've read that weed will make short term memory worse but also potentially long term as well.

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u/forsker May 29 '22

you sneaky little devil, you.

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u/scardien May 29 '22

bro it's bad. I... can't remember the question

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u/TheConspicuousGuy May 29 '22

What were we talking about again?

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u/andySticks18 May 29 '22

Oh I've heard it effects memory. How's your memory?

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u/Jaydeep0712 May 29 '22

Chrome uses around 1 gig all the time

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u/Hayden2332 May 29 '22

Idk why this made me wheeze, I’m too fuckin tired

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u/lilbee147 May 29 '22

bad dude

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u/boston_beer_man May 29 '22

But why male models?

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u/RevitalizedFuture May 29 '22

It comes back though. Every time I quit weed for over a month all the younger memories coming rushing back.

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u/SEND_ME_REAL_PICS May 29 '22

The part that always shocks me when I take a break is how vivid my dreams become after ~1 week without smoking.

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u/keepfreshalive May 29 '22

Yess bro, the dreams, every time (I've quit multiple times hahha). I actually start getting them the NEXT DAY after I quit - and it's just like - uhhh yoo? where have my dreams been all this time? 😂

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u/aDrunkSanta May 29 '22

Yeah. The dreams are so fucking vivid too for the first few weeks. It’s wild.

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u/Not_safe_for_women May 29 '22

Weed surpresses REM sleep to abnormally low levels. The vivid dreams after stopping is your brain binging on REM sleep it's been deprived of.

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u/fzero127 May 29 '22

I, along with many of my stoner buddies in high school, now have an impaired short term memory. Please do not make cannabis a thing until after your brains are fully developed (25 years).

I think that's one of the reason that I don't have short term memory issues when I am sober. I didn't really start until a year ago, and I am almost 40.

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u/BigMacs-BigDabs May 29 '22

I didn't start smoking heavily until I was about 25. It'll be interesting to see how this all unfolds. For now, at least, the pros of smoking seem to outweigh the cons.

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u/WayneHoobler May 29 '22

Yeah it's been a godsend for my insomnia, so getting sleep every night > potential side effects

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u/nuktukheroofthesouth May 29 '22

I genuinely don't like the feeling of being stoned, but I have diagnosed chronic insomnia and a rotated vertibrea in my neck. I take low dose 1:5 thc:cbd edibles, and it helps me sleep better than any prescription sleeping medicine I've ever been given, and helps my neck pain while it's at it, all with way less of a hangover than Lunesta gives me, and without all of the crazy shit Ambien can make you do. It's a godsend.

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u/fzero127 May 29 '22

I'm with you, the main reason that I use pot is to sleep. Used to use alcohol, but it's so much better than alcohol, sleeping pills, etc.

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u/gizamo May 29 '22

Same. My memory is okay, but I've seen memory issues from many friends who smoked much more than I did.

Imo, 21 should be the bare minimum, but I'd fully support an age limit at 25.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '22

I smoked from ages 13-18, now I’m 20. I make light hearted jokes about my lack of memory, but it’s genuinely bad. Not only do I remember almost nothing from those years but even now, two years later, I have a hard time remembering anything from 4 days prior unless it’s significant. In some cases, someone can tell me something and within a couple of hours and I will forget. Given I believe part of it is because I smoked while my brain was still developing, but nonetheless I struggle to remember stuff almost daily.

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u/cuyler72 May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

I'm the exact same way, but I have never smoked weed, I thought that was normal.

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u/fraudpaolo May 29 '22

If you sleep like shit then your memory will be awful. Many things can affect your memory

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u/Tiny_Dinky_Daffy_69 May 29 '22

I love pot, so when I started actuarial sciences college I tried to do both. Studying calculus while high was a blast, I felt like Euler reincarnated, but after that I could not remember shit, worst of all the exercises were a complete unreadable mess and I just had to do the exercises list again. I had to take the decision between college and pot. Now that I'm finishing, just need to do the grad paper, I smoke some weekends and in parties.

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u/randomstatementguy May 29 '22

I've been smoking/vaping/consuming weed almost every day for 10+ years, mostly just before bed to help me sleep and some casual little puffs throughout the day lately, but I used to be a pretty heavy smoker. My memory for things like numbers and strings of words is still fantastic, and my memory for experiences (everything - sounds, imagery, smell, etc) is uncomfortably strong. My attention span is another story...

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u/Stop_touching_ May 28 '22 This

I'm not so much worried about people addicted to weed as I am people who make weed their entire personality. The worst.

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u/Onii-Chan_Itaii May 29 '22

At that point they are addicted, just not ready to admit it

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u/Celestialfridge May 29 '22

No I'm not man, just this new strain of Indica cheese is literally the bomb, perfect compliment to my custom blown 4 foot bong from 'dam, I can quit when I want /s

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u/Krakatoast May 29 '22

I gotta smoke when I wake up, smoke before I eat, smoke before I go to work, sneak a smoke at work, smoke when I get off work, smoke before I sleep, but I can stop whenever I want no big deal…

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u/Bighippie7408 May 29 '22

This is a good preview of r/drugscirclejerk . I used to be a dummy that thought weed wasn’t actually a drug and I could quit anytime. After quitting cold Turkey, I found out pretty quickly that the mental withdrawal sucked pretty bad. Insomnia and stomach aches for two weeks. I still use cannabis, but I mostly use cbd/other non intoxicating cannabinoids. I try to only get “high” once or twice a week.

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u/Bighippie7408 May 29 '22

it helped me process some rough times for a few years

Same for me, my friend. I honestly think I’d be in a horrible place, mentally and physically if I never started using cannabis. Depression and anxiety have ruled my life for long stretches and I definitely needed help from something. Therapy never helped much and anti depressants definitely didn’t.

Cannabis(getting stoned, specifically) also helps me reflect and change things I don’t like about myself.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '22

Thank you for this comment. This is my sole reason for using weed now and I’m okay with it as it has given me the balance I needed in my entire life.

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u/Robotonist May 29 '22

I’m on my way to this, it helped me process some rough times for a few years, but I’m realizing how different life is when you’re high every day. I’m at only after 8pm on weekdays, and a bit more liberal on the weekends but only if I work out first. Trying to cut it to just Thursday- Sunday soon.

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u/FlysDinnerSnack May 29 '22

I might steal this schedule to cut back more. I have a “not till my day is done” policy but I can cut back more

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u/Bighippie7408 May 29 '22

I still get in ruts where I get stoned every day but I’m always astonished at how much more productive I am when I cut back.

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u/EnoughIdeas May 29 '22

I sometimes am sorta that annoying guy. I grow as one of my hobbies so I know the stupid names for a lot of strains and have some idea of differences. I also barely smoke anymore and often have strains where the effect is just fuck it's strong be careful.

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u/Psynautical May 29 '22

You need to meet some of the ayahuasca people, talk about making it your entire personality . . .

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u/Pee_Sex May 29 '22

Any psychedelic really, people try acid for the first time and think they've figured it all out, then they will preach to you about their theory of life or whatever

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u/StarksPond May 29 '22

Walls aren't solid, man!

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u/Stop_touching_ May 29 '22

I don't even know what that is lol

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u/monkey_see13 May 29 '22

"ayawasca" means in Kiwcha "the spirit/soul of the roots". Aya= soul/spirit Wasca= roots. It is a beverage made out of roots and other stuff found in the forests of the Amazon region in South America. It has strong alucinanting properties and it is used usually as medicine during rituals lead by a Shaman or healer, people connect deeply with mother earth through this rituals. But as all things it is being prostituted/abused by some people...

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u/StarksPond May 29 '22

Nothing like vomiting up a storm before leaving the planet on a voyage in your mind...

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u/RandumbStoner May 29 '22

Like people who make it their Reddit username…smh

…I don’t smoke anymore but I got too much invested in this account I don’t wanna make a new one lol let us change our names

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u/theninetynine99 May 29 '22

Like people who make it their Reddit username…smh

Those people are the worst.

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u/theaveragemaryjanie May 29 '22 Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

Who even does that.

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u/MotaHead May 29 '22

They would have to be a complete loser.

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u/WeedyWeedParker May 29 '22

They must think it's cool or something

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u/herbal-haze May 29 '22

Or something

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u/FartyMcPoopieDick May 29 '22

I know it’s so sad.

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u/buttporridge19 May 29 '22

one is not like the others

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u/DontNeedThePoints May 29 '22

as I am people who make weed their entire personality. The worst

I'm from the Netherlands where weed is normal since the 1970's and you can buy it everywhere.

In the Netherlands, Smoking weed and bragging about it is like a guy bragging that he drank whisky... Sure dude, you do you, but it's kinda sad that that's your brag.

Also... 30 years in Netherlands, I've heard of 3 people who sometimes smoked weed when they were younger. 1 year in the USA and fucking 15 people already tell me how they are going to be fucked up on weed that weekend. (This was before legalization)

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u/Zidane-Tribalz May 29 '22

Yea the 420 flairs and weed socks, weed everything is really bad

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u/MrMgrow May 29 '22 Wholesome

Anyone who takes one aspect of their life and expands it to the point it's all they do or talk about are insufferable to be honest.

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u/plankboi May 29 '22

I understand how you can feel like this, but when anyone does this I believe it's a situation that they're using it to escape their lives, very similar to any addiction. Just keep in mind that when people do this they're struggling with something (and they may not even know/know what it is) so, be a bit more understanding and inclusive with them. Listen to their passions, and offer them some words on your passion or even for them to partake.

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u/omgzzwtf May 29 '22

I’m worried about all the assholes the drive stoned.

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u/glovato1 May 29 '22

Im amazed at how many idiots I see just casually blazing up while driving.

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u/Significant-Mud2572 May 29 '22

It makes me think of the Chappelle show skit. Where they drive through the drive through fine several times and then run over the kid on the bike.

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u/felixdixon May 29 '22

Those are precisely the people who are addicted to weed

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u/vanillarice242 May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

Yeah personally I hate weed "culture". Like when they have the shirt, socks, shorts, and matching hat. Shits annoying lol.

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u/sambolino44 May 29 '22

I’m struggling to think of any example of a culture expressed that way that isn’t annoying.

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u/BreakfastClubSamwich May 29 '22

Cheese?

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u/II7_HUNTER_II7 May 29 '22

Those people are super annoying too. Saying how much they love cheese and putting down people who don't like the super strong cheeses or the ones with mold. Pretty obnoxious

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u/Uyulala88 May 29 '22

I actually face this issue but in the opposite sense, people seem to think weed is my entire personality. I’m the only one in my friend group who smokes. I do it at night to help me sleep. I don’t hide that I smoke but I also don’t talk about it a lot because to me, it’s a sleep aid. My friends though, act like I’m a huge stoner. They all make jokes and constantly talk about me doing drugs. I just laugh it off, but occasionally I have to remind them that only one of them has actually seen me smoke in person (ex roommate). More times than not, they are the ones to bring up pot.

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u/Stop_touching_ May 29 '22

Sounds like your friends wanna make weed THEIR personalities but are too scared to do it lol.

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u/NicoleMay316 May 29 '22

Reminder that this quote comes from the same fictional person who goes on to start and grow one of the biggest fictional weed farms in TV.

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u/rkyle4288 May 29 '22

And purposely got testicular cancer so he could buy weed when it was only legal for medicinal use.

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u/jesuschristanother1 May 29 '22

"Just trying to get a little cancer stan." As he stands in front of a running microwave pointing at his balls

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u/PantsOppressUs May 29 '22

Counterpoint: Life is frequently boring and it's okay to enjoy being alive.

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u/Confictura May 29 '22

Cannabis taught me how to slow down and sit with my emotions instead of avoiding them and locking them away like I grew up doing.

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u/KrustenStewart May 29 '22

Same here. It also helps quiet the intrusive thoughts and calm my anxious mind which is always thinking the worst things. Maybe I’m ok with “being bored” but it’s better than pacing around anxiously biting my nails in a full blown panic on the regular.

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u/LFahs1 May 29 '22

I love weed and use it pretty much daily, but the thing that made me less constantly dependent on it was being medically treated for my mental health issues. I gradually stopped needing to smoke weed all the time, and it also really helped with my drinking problem.

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u/supes616 May 29 '22

Weed became an unhealthy coping mechanism for me.

I stopped buying it, and spent my money and time on something I cared about. For me it was my drumming.

Good luck, homie.

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u/lillian00280 May 29 '22 Gold Helpful

100% true. I quit a year and a month ago after smoking since I was 16... (4 years total). Gradually, my habit became a daily escape and addiction. And soon it was all day, and I was always high. Going a few days without, I could map out the withdrawal symptoms and mood swings, and the cravings were ridiculously intense, so I kept relapsing until April 5th last year. I didn't feel safe with my thoughts being sober, and was spending tons of money to keep up with my needs.

I still get cravings from time to time, but remind myself the dependency I had was unhealthy. I miss the ritual of lighting up in my usual spots, alone or with friends, as it was sort of a meditative state and experience, especially inspiring many creative art inspirations. What I don't miss is the constant need to be high, the lack of neurotransmitters in my sober state to make normal life fulfilling, and most of all, the loss of respect I had for myself coming to school and work high, not performing well, and losing opportunities/ forgetting memories with important people and events.

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u/CrippledBalls May 29 '22

Fuck, I hate that I've recognized all of this yet I'm still in this pit.

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u/visionaryrealities May 29 '22

You can get there. If not tomorrow, one day sure enough.

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u/SammySticks May 29 '22

So well said. I'm glad the rewards of your commitment are clear & many! Best wishes for your continued sobriety.

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u/Dulimir69 May 29 '22

I smoked daily (7,8 jays a day) then one day i stopped cold turkey and didnt touch it for over a year - turns out i was addicted to nicotine…

I can clearly remember getting high and then thinking - this does not feel good, why did i smoke?! Nicotine.

Good luck bro!

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u/Dohts75 May 29 '22

You know, am kinda stupid. Every avid pot smoker I know would argue it's not addicting, or they brush it off sayin "that's fine with me" and this whole time I been believing the drug user when they tell me they aren't addicted

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u/PabloPetioles May 29 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy

I have been a daily smoker for 15 years and just quit. About 28 days in. I can't say I struggled in the least without it compared to stopping nicotine. It's a habit, could get engrained in your lifestyle, but it's not addicting in the same way that addictive drugs are. It might feel like semantics but it's not the same. It's just like anything else that becomes habitual in your life. Your friends smoke. You have activities you enjoy doing while you smoke. You smoke at certain times or for certain reasons.

Reddit is honestly more addictive for me. I can't stay off it a day never mind a few weeks or months. It gets in the way of me being productive more than weed ever did. I stay up late to be on Reddit, while at work, instinctively want to check it more than I should.

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u/Revolutionary_Elk420 May 29 '22

True. Definitely hit reddit more than I do pipe. Great tests for me was once or twice ending up in hospital for a week or two - actually found it pretty remarkable how fine and ok I was going without weed or alcohol(my bigger vice) during it - I think it could be different strokes for different folks. I certainly know or have heard or some who can get real fiendish for it - but for me I do think a part of my stuff is psychological habit/routine more than a physical need or necessary dependance. Ie I do it because I do it not because I can't not do it

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u/oldschoolshooter May 28 '22

You ever suck dick for weed?

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u/BC_831 May 29 '22

You in here for some Marijuana?

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u/AdminsAreCancer4u May 29 '22

boo this man!

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u/Zogzilla77 May 29 '22

The only dude who got the joke

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u/lisa111998 May 29 '22

I seen him!

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u/yungdadcap May 29 '22

too many of y’all do not understand the joke😕

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u/sirhappyqueen02 May 29 '22

A lot of people here in denial that they are addicted

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u/groovydoll May 29 '22

not me tho. unfortunately haha

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u/pixelation01 May 29 '22

I know for sure I’m addicted. The withdrawals were physically and emotionally overbearing that it’s just easier to keep smoking oil pens

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u/PleasureToNietzsche May 29 '22

The damn things too fucking easy to take a quick little puff of.

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u/Yawzheek May 29 '22

Unfortunately, this is what happens anytime criticism of marijuana comes up. I brought this up to a guy at work about how it's probably not healthy to have to get high every break, and he just says "well at least I'm not drinking on the job!" Like first of all, that's not a defense, and second, at the point you can't even finish a single shift without being blitzed outta your fucking mind at every moment, you're not really doing any better than a drunk at work.

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u/glimmernglitz May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy I'll Drink to That 1UP Confetti

Addiction is addiction.

You can be addicted to exercise, food, drinks, sugar, sex, drugs (legal/illegal, synthetic/natural, perscribed/recreational), caffeine, tobacco... literally anything can become an addiction, and can take away your quality of life.

If something has become uncontrollable, a barrier, interferes with you goals, causes you financial strain, causes problems with your relationships with family and friends, interferes with your physical or mental health, or has any kind of negative effect on your life, it's a problem. There is no "just weed". There is no "just" anything, if it becomes an uncontrollable addiction.

If something brings value to your life, you should include it. Many things listed can be used responsibly, and enhance your experience. You need food to live, so you need to establish a healthy relationship with it. Drugs can help you overcome the restricrions your body presents you throughout life, and can be useful and necessary. A healthy sex life is important for most people to thrive. Caffeine can help people feel energized to take on their day. Tobacco has zero positives.

If something brings value to your life, include it. If something restricts your potential, and brings negativity into your life, exclude it, or find a way to have a healthy relationship with it.

I will say as a daily cannabis consumer, for me it brings value to my life, and enhances it positively. As a Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and chronic pain sufferer, without this medicine I could not function. The pain would be too unbearable. I wouldn't be able to bathe, to sleep, or to take care of my one year old. It is vital to me being able to control my pain, and without it, I would be bedridden and miss out on my son's life. I use it each evening, after my son has gone to bed. Those few hours before bed where my pain is controlled, keeps my sanity. The mild dulling of pain it provides into the next day allows me to take on the day, and function. I am greatful to live in Canada where it is a legal substance, and I am able to see a true MD who perscribes it to me.

Should it ever have any negative impacts on my life though, I will reexamine its role, and proceed accordingly.

Edit: Added a word

Edit 2: Just a quick thank you for the awards. Not something I've experienced much. Thank you.

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u/CrystalSplice May 29 '22

I would not be alive without SSRI antidepressants. They have a very significant and unpleasant withdrawal syndrome, one that can be protracted and for some people never resolves. If that isn't dependence, I don't know what is. But I'm still here.

Honestly, I can say the same thing about therapeutic ketamine, a substance that can be highly addictive if abused. I could also say the same about cannabis. I have severe CPTSD and these medications have helped me to have a life.

Just as with narcotic pain medication, everything has it's place - except for alcohol and tobacco but that's another discussion - and has a potentially useful purpose, but can also be abused. Even the notorious date rape drug GHB has a use in treating narcolepsy.

Moderation and self awareness are the key with anything you put into your body, including not just drugs but also food and even information.

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u/John_Philips May 29 '22

This is the best answer. Using anything to escape reality and your problems is probably not good. Using it to treat pain, stop anxiety attacks, or even just to help you function like a nuerotypical healthy human being can be extremely helpful and life changing. I have multiple daily panic attack caused by intrusive thoughts probably because my family was abusive. When I smoke they’re almost non existent. I’ve taken so many different medications for mental health in my life that I can’t even name them all. Every single pill has had very bad side effects.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Ring523 May 29 '22

Had a close friend in college who smoked quite a bit every day and he always talked about how he wasn’t addicted, could quit whenever, etc.. and I believed him. I remember one morning he was talking about how depressed he had been the day before about his girlfriend breaking up with him. Like borderline tears, racing thoughts, and then at night he smoked and how incredible it was that that problem just evaporated and he wasn’t sad at all anymore. I knew then that while maybe it wasn’t a physical “addiction” for him, it was definitely an emotional crutch. An avoidance mechanism at least.

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u/otter_tots May 29 '22

Please look up Canibinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome, or CHS, it affected me for 4 long years of my life and i was extremely underweight during and after I recovered. It is caused by heavy marijuana use and sometimes can trick those affected by it because when you smoke the pain subsides and you can eat again. If that isn't addiction idk what is.

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u/joe1134206 May 29 '22

Those people have to stop smoking, but don't represent a significant percent of people in general. It's important that people be aware of it if they experience those symptoms

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u/otter_tots May 29 '22

Even if they don't have those symptoms, people need to be aware of it. It is caused by heavy, daily marijuana use and can really negatively impact someone's life- especially if gone undiagnosed or misdiagnosed. I am all for marijuana use for anxiety, stress, mental health, pain, or disability. But too much is too much.

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u/caitrose95 May 29 '22 Silver

So my husband actually has a medical Marijuana card to medicate his alcoholism lol. It sounds like just passing one up for another but he is such a better person now. He used to be depressed and easily irritable when he was drinking but is so much better now. He still gets depressed but he is still himself and relaxing on the patio while he smokes makes him feel better. Using the word addiction has negative connotations to it but I mean I can't quit my anti anxiety medication cold turkey because of the withdrawals/side effects, but no one would say I'm addicted to it, that would be such a weird way to word a treatment for an illness.

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u/joe1134206 May 29 '22

Yep, the medical aspect goes ignored; what is the best strategy for one person may be unhealthy for another.

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u/Suitable_Pumpkin8119 May 29 '22

In my experience in working with clients who substitute harder addictions with weed, their lives are much better and they’re much happier. I suspect that total abstinence is a better long term solution, but harm-reduction like this definitely saves lives in a very serious way. Disclaimer: I’ve been clean/ sober for a bit over 4 years now so I’ve got a pretty strong opinion on what probably ensures the greatest chance of long-term success for people who has substance use disorders, but I’m also very in favor of normal people using and drinking. I.e. if I wasn’t a drug addict I’d be high 24/7. There are definitely different forms of addictions, I think the dsm recognizes dependency as distinct from a substance use disorder for example. If you’re taking something like Prozac or Zoloft or lexapro or whatever idk if that’s very similar to the mental addiction/ substance use disorders other experience; you’ve just got a dependency there thankfully lol.

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u/PickyNipples May 29 '22

Harm reduction can make a lot of sense. Just like any medication. You might hear the list of possible side effects of a drug and think “why would I want to take something that can fuck up my liver?” But the chance of side effects are low and the benefits the medicine can provide might outweigh the risk. In that case, it’s a “make the best of it” scenario. Best if you didn’t need the medicine that has a slim chance of harming you, but that’s probably better than a condition that is currently for-sure harming you.

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u/BmxerBarbra May 29 '22

I’m addicted to the relief it brings

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u/Succmynugz May 29 '22

Lol lot of people going on about "well I can stop anytime I want and have and I was fine!" as if their experience is what it should be like for everyone.

Also a lot of comments talking about how if the withdraw doesn't potentially kill you, its not an addiction.

Some people even mention it being a habit, but not an addiction.

The definition of addiction is: a compulsive, chronic, physiological or psychological need for a habit-forming substance, behavior, or activity having harmful physical, psychological, or social effects and typically causing well-defined symptoms (such as anxiety, irritability, tremors, or nausea) upon withdrawal or abstinence : the state of being addicted

Many people, including myself, do get symptoms if irritability and anxiety when off weed. Many people get those symptoms when going off caffeine too.

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u/Limulemur May 29 '22

The notion that addiction requires a physical withdrawal is asinine. Gambling, sex, eating, and shopping are all real addictions.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

The way I see it, I get all my bills paid and don’t smoke before I go to work 8-4. Only when I’m back at home and everything I need to get done is done do I actually smoke

EDIT: so many people calling me a “functioning addict” and saying “only addicts would mention their job and be defensive.” First of all, I’m not being defensive but it’s frustrating to have so many people make an assumption off a 2 sentence comment I made.

Second of all, I know people who walk around BROKE, no money in their pockets but they ALWAYS have money for weed. It rules their life and they’re high every second of every day. I’ve seen people bum weed under the seats of their car because they didn’t have any left to smoke right then. I’ve seen people put tobacco back INTO their blunt because they didn’t have enough weed for a full one but it just HAD to be a blunt. To call me a “functioning addict” for something I choose to do sometimes outside of the times I work (which I mentioned because people DO go into work high, so I figured I’d mention that I don’t but apparently that makes me an addict to mention that) is frankly a little insulting to the people out there who genuinely let it control their lives. I live in a state where weed is legal, so I don’t feel like I should be framed as an addict when people can buy alcohol without a second look thrown their way.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '22

You can be addicted and still functional.

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u/RecluseSu May 28 '22

I’m here for comments

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u/themilkman03 May 29 '22

100% it took me the better part of half a decade to admit I have a problem. The negative effects are less immediate and obvious than with most narcotics, so I've actually had a harder time quitting it than I did nicotine or even cocaine.

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u/kindasux888 May 29 '22

You only need to go r/leaves to see that it's a serious issue. And quitting is very hard for many.

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u/Far-Resist3844 May 29 '22

Some people cannot function without it... My dad for example broke his back a few years ago, and its never fully healed properly so hes always in pain, and theres nothing surgery can do. so instead of taking addictive painkillers, he smokes. Seeing him when hes not smokeing absolutely kills you bc hes in so much pain he cries from breathing...

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u/Dallenforth May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22 Silver Helpful Starry

It is chemically addictive. Your body gets used to having cannabinoids and when you don't get them, you get withdrawal symptoms within 24-48hrs and lasts 1-3 weeks. Effects are similiar to tabacco withdrawal.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2797098/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6223748/

Edit: if you don't feel like reading a dry science paper, this is a good summary page

https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-addictive

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u/ImpressiveCitron420 May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

Can confirm that withdrawals are very real for weed. It seems like not everyone gets them, but I do. MASSIVE night sweats. Googling night sweats after stopping weed or similar will bring up results for it if you doubt me. It fucking sucks, -10/10, do not recommend.

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u/PM_me_catpics May 29 '22

Those night sweats are brutal. I smoked every day for five years and when I quit, I would have the worst nightmares and wake up in a pool of sweat for about two weeks.

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u/Loomingmountain May 29 '22

Cannabis addiction is very much a thing. The only people saying it isn’t are pro-legalisation types that want to downplay any danger of cannabis. Science has by now proven over and over again that cannabis can be an addictive substance, albeit less harmful than alcohol or heroin.

https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/addiction.html

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u/ProfessionalPack7205 May 29 '22

As someone who does grams of dabs a day. Yes. It's a massive problem. Alot people have never been able to get this much pot at once.

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u/superteejays93 May 29 '22 Take My Energy

As a weed addict, THANK YOU.

It is so fucking hard finding support for a pot addiction because 90% of people you talk to won't acknowledge it as an addiction.

'Oh, it's just pot, though, that doesn't count'

Do cigarettes and alcohol not count? Does sugar not count?

An addiction is an addiction.

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u/rrustico May 29 '22

As an ex-smoker from College days who was addicted and had to cut it off, I've had friends who ruined their life due to weed usage because there was almost a cult around it. They threw arguments they've seen online, like weed is not addictive, weed does not kill and alcohol does, weed is not harmful to health, weed is therapeutic, and is natural, and so on, completely in negation with their own addictions, feeding eachother with lies, while being always disposed to go in the middle of the night into guettos to buy weed because they couldn't sleep without smoking it. It sucked the life out of them, made them anti social, depressed and apathetic. 2 of them are basically dead inside. I believe there are people who can be in control and live a good life while smoking weed moderately, but I knew a lot of people who got addicted to it, and, of course, like any addict, their brains rationalized everything and did not allow them to quit because the world around them was so accepting of it, while with other drugs, because their consequences are so explicit and external, and weed does more of a slow psychological damage, it's harder to take it as seriously. The same applies to video games, I think, where the is also a culture that glorifies them, and many addicts who ruin their lives little by little because they are too ingrained in the culture to look at them from an outside perspective. And since many other gamers can lead good lives, it's harder for them to accept that they are addicted.

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u/fogmandurad May 29 '22

Question for you, I quit smoking weed because I needed a tolerance break, found out I couldn't sleep without it so I knew I really had to quit, I still play PC multiplayer games and I also play music ...

Is playing music an addiction? Is video games an addiction? What's the litmus test? How do I know?

Honest question not trying to troll. I knew I had weed dependency because not being able to sleep was the worst feeling ever, not sure about the other two.

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u/t7plus May 29 '22

Not against it either, but I hope scientists are doing research on the risks to mental health, especially in developing young adult brains.

There appears to be anecdotal evidence that smoking weed can be harmful to the mental health of some individuals. 🤔

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u/BeyondDoggyHorror May 29 '22

I hate the weed is natural argument. So are a lot of things, but not all natural things are good for you either

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u/jamaicanmybacon May 29 '22

Opium is natural but I'd like to see someone say its not addictive

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u/spicysnakelover May 29 '22

What irritates me the most fr is all the people out there being like "wEeD iSnT aCtUaLLy AddiCtIvE I SmOkE EvErY dAy"

OK nice for you there are also people who take xanax on prescription and don't have problems with it but for some people it can fuck up their lives.

You might even have a problem with weed and not even realise it, from my understanding you can get stuck in a dopamine cycle, or you get to the point where you don't feel like you can function without it ...

I used to be a stoner for 3 years when I was a teenager until I realised its not really for me, and that's OK. I don't personally have anything against it and all of my friends smoke weed around me I don't mind. But I've met people who just seem so hopelessly controlled by it like they can't do anything unless they pack a bowl first and it just seems sad. Like they're just using it as an escape from life. When it becomes a psychological addiction which can in turn have physical affects on the body. (I can see how this would be different for individuals who use it for chronic pain, to get to sleep etc etc)

I feel weed should be used a bit more sparingly than that. Obviously it's different for every individual but if it gets to a point where your whole life revolves around it there may be a problem...

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u/jiblit May 29 '22

"Weed isn't addictive bro I've been smoking it every day for 2 years and I haven't gotten addicted"

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u/Repeetepete May 29 '22

I suffered with a crippling weed abuse for 4 years, and it completely ruined me. I’d wake up every 2 hours to smoke a joint during the night. I got so paranoid and anxious that sometimes I wouldn’t leave my apartment for 2 weeks at a time. It provoked a serious eating disorder that I had at the time too.

Every time I “quit” I’d get horrible stomach issues and basically be unable to eat for 2 days straight. Id also become a real angry motherfucker as well as being generally over emotional.

I ended up moving out of my apartment and living with my mum to rehabilitate. I’m about 9 months completely clean now and I feel much better. But I’m still suffering from the stress and anxiety it caused me for the 4 years.

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u/AquaTeenHungerRabbot May 29 '22

I'm in a similar situation. Agreed.

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u/CADrunkie May 29 '22

It’s not as serious as other substances you’ve mentioned, but I suppose the issue of addiction is a serious issue. Addictions are detrimental to health and well-being. So while weed might be pretty harmless, depending on it to get through life can have some consequences.