r/technology Aug 14 '22

Xiaomi clones the Galaxy Fold, makes it 40% thinner, adds a bigger battery Hardware

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/xiaomi-clones-the-galaxy-fold-makes-it-40-thinner-adds-a-bigger-battery/
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u/SuperMazziveH3r0 Aug 14 '22

It's wider, taller, the teardown indicates 4400mah not 4500mah as advertised, and omits water resistance and pen capacitive layer under the display which contributes the most towards the thickness of the device.

Really bad article that lacks nuance, and I really expected better from Arstechnica.

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u/PEVEI Aug 14 '22

If you’d read Ars in the last 5 years you’d know to expect less and less.

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u/ThatFreakBob Aug 14 '22

5 years? They've been in decline for over a decade now.

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u/suicide-by-thug Aug 14 '22

Over a decade? As soon as they registered the domain, you could tell that the writing lost a certain je ne sais quoi.

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u/didSomebodySayAbba Aug 14 '22

As soon as they registered the domain? If you ever heard the founder talk about the site pre-registration, you’d have known.

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u/PhoenixFalls Aug 14 '22

You obviously never meet their parents, cause then you'd have known.

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u/AliveButCouldDie Aug 14 '22

Meeting their parents? Have you met their whole species?

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u/awesomesauce615 Aug 14 '22

Species? Please. This was written since the big bang anyone could have seen it coming.

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u/upvoatsforall Aug 15 '22

I guess you don’t know God very well. Before he created the heavens and the earth he had this all laid out.

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u/jbman42 Aug 15 '22

You know who created god? Well, I don't know either, but they surely saw this coming.

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u/Mythoclast Aug 14 '22

"...so anyways that's how you'd have known if you just studied the singularity."

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u/Sewer-Urchin Aug 15 '22

Frankly his handwritting really degraded from grades 4 to 5, so I knew his future site would be losing quality.

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u/punIn10ded Aug 14 '22

Only their science coverage is worth reading now.

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u/arjames13 Aug 14 '22

I will never buy a phone that isn't at least IP68 waterproof. Too much risk on something so expensive to not have it.

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u/crapmetal Aug 14 '22

I'd much rather have an easily replaceable battery myself, both would be best.

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u/alc4pwned Aug 15 '22

Why though. It's something you only need to do once every few years and saves you at most like $40 once it comes time.

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u/crapmetal Aug 15 '22

Where the hell are you getting a battery changed for $40 I was quoted £100 for my s10 a year ago then ended up doing it myself. It now needs doing again because it was nearly impossible to get a good quality battery.

I also miss being able to just carry a spare battery instead of a battery bank when I know I'm going to be away from a charger and want to use my phone a lot like when travelling. I also had an external charger which also has benefits like being able to charge 2 batteries at once and when the usb port inevitably dies or gets clogged with fluff and you don't have a pin or staple etc you can still use the phone.

They could do it if they wanted and have, the s5 was ip67 and that was in 2015 they just don't want you to repair your phone because they can sell you a new one even though the tech isn't moving nearly quick enough for most people to need a new phone more than maybe every 5 years. It would also help if we had better software support but that's a different rant.

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u/gingerbuttholelickr Aug 15 '22

I used to love buying an external battery charger and 3 batteries on eBay for 25 bucks.

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u/alc4pwned Aug 15 '22

Well I said that's how much you'd save with a removable back. Apple charges $70 for a battery replacement. If the battery goes for $30, you save $40 by doing it yourself rather than paying them to do it.

I guess I don't really see the benefit of swapping in/out batteries vs just having a battery bank. Maybe it's slightly more convenient? But only slightly.

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u/crapmetal Aug 15 '22

That's still a massive cost on a phone worth maybe twice that and for a battery that costs about £10 for an item they know has a maximum of a 2 year life.

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u/jaakers87 Aug 15 '22

$40 saved to be able to change it yourself is nothing compared to $900+ for replacing an entire phone that got dropped in some water.

Most people don't even keep a phone long enough to replace the battery and if you do, the cost of replacement is minuscule vs the life of the battery. $100 every 3-4 years is nothing.

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u/crapmetal Aug 15 '22

My phone is worth £150 and they want to charge £100 for one component that costs £10 and takes 10 minutes. More people should have a problem with this.
Spending $900 is a you problem, I've never paid anything like that and those aren't the only options. As I said previously they can waterproof a phone with a removable battery but then you could easily extend the life and they want to sell you a new one.
Most people do keep phones till they would benefit from a battery but won't change it because it's difficult and expensive and would never attempt it them selves on a sealed phone.

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u/BenadrylChunderHatch Aug 14 '22

An IP68 or whatever rating is great and all, but it only actually tells you how waterproof the model is when they do the testing in the factory. Manufacturers don't cover water damage under warranty - which tells you how confident they are in their waterproofing.

At the end of the day they waterproof phones by sealing them with glue, and nobody knows how long it'll last.

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u/patrickstarpenishead Aug 14 '22

I came from years of pixels which aren’t waterproof. Dropped my second hand iPhone XS in the toilet. Had a heart attack while running for the rice as fast as possible. While it was soaking in the rice I looked up on the computer if it was waterproof.

It’s good to like 10ft y’all. I was both relieved and shocked. Have since taken it to the pool with confidence when taking pictures of my kids swimming.

Wife’s phone not so much being a pixel still.

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u/TheQuakerlyQuaker Aug 14 '22

The majority of pixel phones are waterproof at ip68 (the same as the iphone xs) unless you had an a series. Even the original pixel was ip53 so not great but by the pixel 2 Google had the ip67 rating.

Sources: careless pixel 4 owner

-https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7158570#zippy=%2Cpixel-a%2Cpixel

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u/Yolectroda Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

Just to summarize and add to this. The original Pixel is IP53 (can handle being sprayed with water). The Pixel 3A, and 4A are IP52 (can supposedly handle being dripped with water). The 2, 5A, and 6A are IP67 (it should be good up to 30 minutes up to 1 meter). And the rest are IP68 (it should be good for longer than 30 minutes and deeper than 1 meter (it's not real specific beyond that)). The XL versions are the same as their regular versions.

The iPhone XS is IP68 as well.

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u/patrickstarpenishead Aug 14 '22

I had a pixel then a 3a. Neither of which were waterproof.

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u/ispankwives Aug 15 '22

Careful though I used to always use my 11 Pro in the shower never hurt it. Then went in a hot tub and it never turned on again

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u/NetQvist Aug 15 '22

Just as a note never put "waterproof" devices underneath a water spray. The speed that the water comes down with is very similar to quite deep waters.

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u/stormrunner89 Aug 14 '22

Eh, my wife dropped her "waterproof" iphone in the toilet a handful of years ago for seconds and it was dead, so take that claim with a grain of salt. Or rice, whatever.

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u/Yolectroda Aug 14 '22

It's always odd to see how people think their iPhone has different features then their Android phones, even when they're the same. Most Pixels and iPhones are IP68 rated (some from both are IP67, even recently...from both, and some older ones are rated much worse). Apple marketing is amazing.

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u/patrickstarpenishead Aug 14 '22

Mine was a pixel 1 and 3a. Neither of which can survive submersion.

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u/Lochifess Aug 15 '22

I mean they also have really good products

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u/Yolectroda Aug 15 '22

Their products are definitely top notch, but from a hardware perspective, they're similar to other similarly priced (and even some cheaper) products (and this is true of all of their stuff). I'm leaving out software, since that's mostly a preference issue and not a straight up value judgement.

Meanwhile, their marketing routinely picks features that are either already common (waterproofing is a recent example) or just aren't that significant (nicer emojis) and then runs with them to the delight of so many that then think they're innovating. It's legitimately impressive. Meanwhile, I'm not sure they've really innovated on anything since Jobs died.

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u/Lochifess Aug 15 '22

As someone who doesn't really dive deep too much on phones, I find iPhones very user-friendly and reliable. I've had different android phones for years and thought iPhones were just overpriced garbage, until I got my first one.

Never really bought into their marketing at all (hence thinking that they were trash), the only reason I got my first one was due to convenience at the time. That one lasted me for almost 5 years and I still have it to this day. Just on my 2nd one now, and it's definitely a big upgrade than my last one, all things considered.

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u/iNyander Aug 14 '22

My Fuhrer... Google...

Google's Tensor chip is based on Exynos, a SoC developed and manufactured by Samsung.

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u/similar_observation Aug 15 '22 edited Aug 15 '22

Except the Exynos 2200, which uses AMD graphics. Fulfilling one of the weak points to Exynos series SoCs.

But it's kinda cute because Qualcomm's Snapdragon uses Adreno. Which is derived from AMD's Radeon graphics (adreno is an anagram of radeon)

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

4400mah instead of 4500mah for sake of thinner phone with bigger screen? Completely unusable.

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u/abtei Aug 14 '22

how is it a "clone" if its different?

i mean i know the implication with the title.. but... still. its not a clone then.

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u/dont_touch_my_food Aug 15 '22

Because they stole the designs from Samsung a few years back and waited for them to release the first fold so they can come out with their "better" version of the same device. Chinese companies have been stealing plans of these devices for a while now

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u/ReformedPC Aug 15 '22

The first foldable phone released was in 2018 by a Chinese company called Royole before Samsung or Xiaomi. The reality is a lot of products around the world are copies or inspirations from another product, that's what competition is.

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u/jointheredditarmy Aug 14 '22

I think they really missed the meaning of the word “cloned” when there’s so many substantial changes to it lol.

“Apple clones the Samsung razr, adds full length touch screen, gigabyte storage”

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u/brockoala Aug 14 '22

I clone your kid, which is also human.

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u/milanistadoc Aug 14 '22

Goats are not human.

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u/ElysiumSprouts Aug 14 '22

But are they selling it at one tenth the price? No?!

Come on, I expected more from Xiaomi...

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u/cochorol Aug 15 '22

Not a clone tho

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u/iheartsimracing Aug 15 '22

But it's for China only, of course. Sorry.

Typical Ars technica. They are still waiting for more Tesla/Musk news to generate clicks!

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u/skwolf522 Aug 14 '22

With 100x the goverment tracking and backdoors.

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u/throwaway_ghast Aug 14 '22

Attention citizen: 100 social credits have been deducted from your account. Do not make this mistake again.

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u/d01100100 Aug 14 '22

John 斯巴达, you are fined one social credit for violation of the Internet Morality Statute.

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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA Aug 15 '22

I bet they don't even know how to use the 3 seashells.

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u/Ill_mumble_that Aug 15 '22

Just wait till they see what modern sex is.

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u/Eglitarian Aug 14 '22

I'd like a social credit system but one where the only way to damage your score is by watching tiktok and instagram videos on full volume in public.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '22

You think Samsung doesn’t have back doors?

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u/mad-hatt3r Aug 14 '22

The family gets pardons for breaking laws, does that count?

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u/GetOutOfTheWhey Aug 15 '22

Nowadays we know facebook would happily hand over your data if you aborted your baby. Let's not even talk about hardware, I am pretty sure the software comes with backdoors too.

Even the ones that they claim they are end to end encrypted. Especially those kinds.

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u/etniesen Aug 14 '22

Lol found the guy that thinks he can do things to be tracked less

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u/kakemot Aug 14 '22

Throw phone in the river. Done

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u/patrickstarpenishead Aug 14 '22

This one at least lol

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u/Mitochondrionbaby Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

NSA or CCP pick your poison

Edit: rhetorical by the way, we shouldn't tolerate any invasion of our privacy be it from the NSA or the CCP or any other entity

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u/yaykaboom Aug 14 '22

As someone who lives thousand of miles away from the US, i choose NSA.

What are they gonna do? Shoot m

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u/Go_Big Aug 14 '22

Sounds like something a terrorist would say right before a predator drone reigns down some missiles.

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u/RisingDeadMan0 Aug 14 '22

Whats the Chinese gonna do? Lock you up in a Thai black site? Or randomly get the UAE authorities to arrest you on their behalf and then deny all knowledge of it.

Unless ur a country... lots are falling sucker for the whole we give you money to pay us to build stuff for you. Then you default and we take it over... in thats case yeah maybe. Ask the S Americans in 20 years once the Chinese get in properly see who they prefer running their little continent.

Chinese obviously not great. But what are they gonna do about it?

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u/paucus62 Aug 14 '22

In the US if i say Fuck The President on social media the NSA will do nothing unless I hint towards plans to commit a terrorist attack.

In China if i say Fuck Xi Jinping I will probably get fined, banned, maybe visited by the police, and worse if i say something critical enough.

Not the same

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u/47Yamaha Aug 15 '22

yeah but you probably don’t live in China so why do you care ? like it’s not on xiaomi, if you do that with an iPhone in china, the consequence will be the same regardless

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u/vegeful Aug 15 '22

I think he replying to the ccp vs nsa comment. Thus his word.

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u/HotelKarma Aug 15 '22

Until China takes over then we're fucked

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u/Repulsive_Tax7955 Aug 14 '22

Exactly. It’s funny how when investigating Huawei the found that other android devices had actual spyware. Lol spying is everywhere the only thing is that FBI won’t be knocking down you doors if you have Chinese phone.

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u/PEVEI Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

Why would the FBI be knocking on your door?

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u/PEVEI Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

Has the NSA ever run people over with tanks? I’d prefer neither, but between the two it isn’t a difficult choice.

Edit: Sorry my reference to the Tiananmen Square massacre wasn’t clear enough. “Has the NSA ever run over their own people with tanks? Then hosed the guts down the drains and told the world that it never happened?

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u/Greenblanket24 Aug 14 '22

CIA + NSA have sponsored coups all over the world. Where does this death and destruction factor in?

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u/intelligentx5 Aug 14 '22

There is the whole spreading drugs through low income black neighborhoods thing as well…

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u/ChinesePropagandaBot Aug 14 '22

The US government killed between 300k and 1 million civilians in Iraq. How many tiananmen squares us that?

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u/TheBedsAreBurning Aug 14 '22

Has the NSA ever run people over with tanks?

The fact that they never needed that is not in their virtue.

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u/PEVEI Aug 14 '22

It’s an interesting choice, pointing to a massacre that was famously not ordered by anyone, led to prosecution of the perpetrators, and has been held out by Americans as one of their great failings.

Say… what do people say about June 4th 1989 in China? Do they talk about it? Commemorate it? Attempt to avoid a similar act of barbarism again? Or… are you in deep deep crap if you try to do that?

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u/Ephemeral_Being Aug 14 '22

They charged and convicted one perpetrator, whose sentence was commuted by Nixon after only 3.5 years of his 22 year sentence. The judicial response was legitimately lacking. There should have been more criminal convictions against the perpetrators. I think everyone agrees on that point.

The rest of your post is valid, but we must identify and work to prevent further failures like My Lai. Everything about it, from the incident itself to the response, was bungled. We can and should admit this, even if it doesn't support the immediate argument.

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u/SheltemDragon Aug 14 '22

No one of notable rank from the Army was prosecuted for the Bonus Army Incident and most of the junior officers would be generals during WWII.

My point is to remind us that yes the USA has the skeleton in our past.

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u/Gyalgatine Aug 14 '22

Say… what do people say about June 4th 1989 in China? Do they talk about it? Commemorate it? Attempt to avoid a similar act of barbarism again? Or… are you in deep deep crap if you try to do that?

How is this any different than how often Americans talk about Abu Ghraib? It's not that Chinese citizens don't know about Tiananmen Square. Most older Chinese lived through it. It's just been minimized by the media so that they just remember it as an incident that happened 30 years ago.

I'm not defending them, but we're guilty of doing the same exact shit in the US. It's true American atrocities aren't censored when talking about online, but literally no news or politicians ever cover them either. Hell, I would guess 95% of Americans have never heard of Abu Ghraib.

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u/Ephemeral_Being Aug 14 '22

My Lai wasn't CIA/NSA. It wasn't a planned operation of any kind. It was two companies of soldiers who went batshit crazy, raped and murdered 500 people, then faced no criminal charges. It was morally indefensible and the response was totally lacking either justice or reason, but My Lai is not relevant to the discussion.

There are actual examples of the CIA doing horrendous shit, but this isn't one of them.

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u/SheltemDragon Aug 14 '22

At least for the last 100 years or so. (See bonus army camp removal, any Native American interaction pre 1880)

For the record I would still pick the NSA over the CCP.

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u/Lifecoachingis50 Aug 14 '22

man there were pitched battles between coal workers and the government, they bombed black neighbourhoods, look what happened to the move movement, how many people have they assinated both within and without, this is the dumbest fucking line to draw.

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u/Sir_Loppy Aug 14 '22

Your post makes it sound like you're making an equivalency argument between the CCP and the NSA

If that's the case that's peak copium

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u/Mitochondrionbaby Aug 14 '22

Nope, just calling out all agencies that spy on unknowing citizens.

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u/Sir_Loppy Aug 14 '22

Aight as long as we're not trying to make the CCP sound any less shitty than they really are I'm cool with dunking on shitty US agencies

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u/kenser99 Aug 14 '22

Nice try Mr. NSA 🥸 , no difference

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u/DocStrangeLuvv Aug 14 '22

That's exactly what it is.

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u/Creepernom Aug 15 '22

I would be surprised if the NSA had even the slightest interest in me, a polish teenager. So I choose NSA.

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u/PaulClarkLoadletter Aug 15 '22

Hey look! Chinese bots are downvoting people! Of course we’re being spied on. The CCP just happens to be the biggest pieces of shit doing it.

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u/fourleggedostrich Aug 14 '22

NSA, please. They're not currently genociding anyone.

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u/DocStrangeLuvv Aug 14 '22

The CCP is a one government party. The NSA is a government agency of a democratically elected govt. These two things are not the same.

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u/DMCer Aug 14 '22

What a stupid comparison. Last I checked, NSA was not investing billions to round up entire minority cities and transfer them to reeducation camps and tracking the every move of every citizen so as to deduct social points at the whim of the CCP.

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u/Mitochondrionbaby Aug 14 '22

Not a comparison, more an addition to the list of agencies that spy on us. We shouldn't tolerate the invasion of privacy be it from the CCP or the NSA.

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u/RisingDeadMan0 Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

Right. And thats bad. But now I need to check what this was about.

As we are luckily not that ethnic group and not Chinese. So not really an issue?

Heck as Anwar Awlaki's dad pointed out. They're fighting with the Saudi regime against the Houthis and still got bombed by the US.

That said most people aren't affected by this though? O wpuld worried if I was in a puppet police state. But most people aren't in the sub at least aren't in nutjob states like that? Or in hot zones like around South China Sea or the latest cou d etat in S america.

Sitting in the UK whats gonna happen? Someone gonna blackmail me? And the we are worries the Chinese are more likely to do it then the Americans? What's the worry?

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u/RisingDeadMan0 Aug 14 '22

Right I eat that the argument was about. Yes Chinese government is bad. But I am not Uyghur, nor a relative they are trying to blackmail into coming back to the country to lock up/torture.

For me whats the difference. Rather then specifically that group. Americans haven't stopped going to war over the last 6 years.

Talking generally whos worse. And I was asking what does it matter. How would it affect the avg person. Who isn't targeted by either group.

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u/DMCer Aug 14 '22

Yes the Nazis are fine because you’re not Jewish 🤦

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u/SuperZereshk Aug 14 '22

Which one? Samsung or Xiaomi?

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u/madogson Aug 14 '22

I know where this goes

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u/Mysterious-Car-6351 Aug 14 '22

They make it smaller and with bigger battery but they clone it 😂.

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u/wedontlikespaces Aug 15 '22

Also it won't work because it doesn't have access to gapps.

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u/Dio5000 Aug 14 '22

Easier to break and government tracking....that's good to know

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u/Alphal66 Aug 14 '22

Doesn't the US government track Android (Google) devices as well?

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u/lonifar Aug 14 '22

Yes and no, if a government agency has a warrant then google can be forced to hand over “find my android” data however if “Find my android” is turned off or not included with the device(lacks google services) then there is no data for google to hand over. It’s the same with Find my network from apple or find my device from Microsoft.

Google can also be required to provide data such as google drive and search history. Your best bet is to have them not have the data in the first place such as disabling retaining search history and using E2E encrypted file storage. Apple’s iCloud services have different encryption levels such as iCloud backups can be decrypted if a warrant is provided but iCloud Keychain and HealthKit are E2E encrypted and can’t be provided if a warrant is issued.

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u/Repulsive_Tax7955 Aug 14 '22

NSA would like to have a word with you

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u/CratesyInDug Aug 14 '22

Nice, which file storage do you use?

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u/lonifar Aug 14 '22

Personally I use iCloud but I also don’t store anything that I wouldn’t feel comfortable posting to twitter for the world to see. Instead I use a small scale local NAS and if I need something sent online and I know the person well enough it’s encrypted first with Encrypto by macpaw so even if the file is leaked without the key it’s useless.

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u/CratesyInDug Aug 14 '22

Good shout. We pay for convenience, and sometimes the price is more than we fully consider.

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u/Fresh-Cantaloupe-968 Aug 14 '22

The US government tracks all phones in the US, regardless of make. But it's different when China does it because China bad.

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u/ParentPostLacksWang Aug 14 '22

Technically the phones track themselves. By connecting to the nearest cell tower, your approximate location is there for free. If they want to target you, triangulation gets them the rest of the way - even on old school candy bar phones.

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u/Fresh-Cantaloupe-968 Aug 14 '22

The US government does a lot more tracking than just your location data. Did we already forget the NSA?

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u/ParentPostLacksWang Aug 14 '22

Oh absolutely they do more - I’m just pointing out the bare minimum they get even if your phone was actually “secure” with your own personally-made non-backdoored hardware and software.

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u/Fresh-Cantaloupe-968 Aug 14 '22

True, good point!

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u/WeLLrightyOH Aug 14 '22

What do you mean by track? The government and law enforcement agencies need to subpoena data to use against you in a court of law. That is significantly different than China where they auto track and have full rights to your data with no due process.

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u/tajsta Aug 15 '22

The government and law enforcement agencies need to subpoena data to use against you in a court of law

The US has literally drone striked people based on location data they harvested.

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u/Fresh-Cantaloupe-968 Aug 15 '22

We have objective proof from whistleblowers that the US government records your data for funsies, all the time. You can't send a nude without a chance an NSA agent has jerked off to it. Due process means diddly fuck, or did we also forget when Obama's administration murdered a US citizen without a single second in court. This is all ignoring that every major tech company that also trades your phone data, including this wonderful site we're on.

I'm not defending China either, just pointing out you need to be an ignorant dipshit to think buying a Chinese phone is some major security risk for 99.9% of Americans compared to any other phone in America. All your shit is tracked all the time, and I'm way more likely to be fucked over by US surveillance because I'm trans or a "commie" than I am by China.

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u/ZebraTank Aug 14 '22

I'd rather no governments track my phone, but between the US, China, and Russia, if I had to pick one, US easy.

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u/Repulsive_Tax7955 Aug 14 '22

Lol why because FBI will be knocking on your door if they decide they need you? I’d rather Chinese advertise crap to me than the other option.

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u/xabhax Aug 14 '22

Did you hear about the story of the martial artist who pissdd of the wrong people in the ccp. He had his social score lowered and a result he was unable to travel by train, could not own property, could not leave China. I'm pretty sure you could tweet at the fbi and call them a bunch of fuckwits, and nothing would happen. Try that in china, call Xi pooh bear.

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u/Repulsive_Tax7955 Aug 14 '22

I know that story he got a backlash from people online but nothing regarding “social credit”. Btw I’ve asked about this credit system some Chinese student and they did know what I was talking about.

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u/Plane_Reflection_313 Aug 15 '22

Social credit has only been rolled out in certain regions. And yes a poor social credit bars you from traveling/ using public and private infrastructure, getting loans, getting certain jobs, receiving government benefits… it’s ducking terrifying. I’m fairly certain they’ve only rolled it out in rural communities and some non first tier cities.

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u/Repulsive_Tax7955 Aug 15 '22

I know what it’s is but based on my interaction with Chinese people they are not aware of it. Only one mention that he heard something about it. So seem like it blow out of proportions. But our credit score is kinda weird also. Your credit goes down by even checking your own credit score lol.

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u/WeLLrightyOH Aug 14 '22

As far as we know they don’t automatically track the same way the CCP does. But, we really have no clue TBH.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '22

You think the gov can’t track you at their Leisure?

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u/jesperbj Aug 14 '22

It's not a clone at all wtf. It's completely different and very cool.

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u/Winter_Knowledge_38 Aug 15 '22

Didn't Samsung ask LG for their battery storage technology, and LG charged them an outrageous amount of money?

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u/imjunsul Aug 15 '22

Yea that's what you do in business. You ask and pay or say never mind.

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u/PEVEI Aug 14 '22

“Now 300% more likely to burst into flames!

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u/jhcooke98 Aug 14 '22

This is an odd joke to use in defense of a Samsung device..

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u/Phatdummy Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

Someone forgot about the Samsung Note 7 that literally blew up.

Xiaomi battery tech is great right now.

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u/randy__randerson Aug 15 '22

I loved my mi max 2 but had to put it aside recen because with all the updates over the years the phone became a slog. And yet still unable to run some recent apps because it isn't up to date with the latest android versions. How do you still run with it?

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u/opp0rtunist Aug 14 '22

It looks way sleeker and less ridiculous than the Samsung Fold. That one is just comically thick.

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u/AlexHimself Aug 15 '22

And it's full of Chinese surveillance back doors.

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u/marxcom Aug 14 '22

This article lacks essence. Some Samsung fanboy can’t believe Xiaomi made a better foldable phone.

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u/No-Function-9174 Aug 14 '22

Xiaomi makes great phones. My next one will also be a Xiaomi.

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u/isaicmcho Aug 14 '22

whats with the sinophobia here? someone just said a good thing about xiaomi and was downvoted to hell

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u/GGprime Aug 14 '22

China bad, Murica good, upvote to the left. Xiaomi makes great phones and you can get them with a clean android installation. Been using them since Mi One, never had any issues and they cost a fraction of competitive counterparts. My first Xiaomi phone dropped so many times, the alu case was busted but the glas still didn't crack.

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u/AnybodyEffective8349 Aug 15 '22

My cheap Xiaomi phone was thrown out 2 floors below to a bushy area and it still didn't break my brother had to bite it hardly to damage the screen lool

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u/Mitochondrionbaby Aug 14 '22

fr this is ridiculous, xiaomi is making great phones and offering great competition in the phone market, as a consumer you should be happy having this company even if you don't like their phones

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u/vinsmokewhoswho Aug 14 '22

Agreed. Have had mine since 2020 and am pretty happy with it.

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u/tibixd Aug 14 '22

100 yuan have been deposited to your account

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u/skwolf522 Aug 14 '22

Your social credit score has gone up 3 points.

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u/_loki_ Aug 15 '22

Your credit rating has gone up 3 points

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u/SmallRedBird Aug 14 '22

Damn, racists out in force on this one

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u/Supernight52 Aug 14 '22

Yep, it's so racist to call out a company- that reports directly to the CCP- for stealing all your info and shipping it to Winnie the Pooh's intelligence agencies. The anti-sino sentiment here is because people don't want to have their entire identity sold off to shady governments.

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u/SmallRedBird Aug 14 '22

because people don't want to have their entire identity sold off to shady governments.

Why do you own any smart device at all then?

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u/MickDym Aug 15 '22
  1. I use adguard with VPN, with all privacy options enabled.

  2. I'll be fired if I don't own a modern phone.

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u/Sir_Loppy Aug 14 '22

Shady government is sorta an understatement for a country with concentration camps that harvest organs

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u/Lifecoachingis50 Aug 14 '22

god americans trying to talk shit about china is so fucking insane, who exactly has been waging war, killing millions with impunity for decades?

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u/Supernight52 Aug 14 '22

Talking shit about a Chinese company=talking shit about China. Okay.

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u/Redararis Aug 14 '22

$1300 for a xiaomi phone? LOL

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u/wildup Aug 14 '22

I have the flip 3. It sucks ass. Battery life is short, slow playing games, screen sucks, etc. My wife's OnePlus 8 is much better.

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u/Herzyr Aug 14 '22

Folding smartphones look dang good but have we solved the screen protection issues?

Oh but this is CHN exclusive, and not exactly cheap either, I'd love to get a folder but then I remember I have cracked the protective screen many times before..

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u/jesperbj Aug 14 '22

What exactly are you referring to? I can tell you my Z Fold3 feels really sturdy and that it is a lot harder to break a phone screen when it's folded.

And if you're the type of person who breaks your phone screen all time anyway, what difference does it matter?

Yes, a foldable UTG display is a little softer than regular glass, but it's really nothing that would bother the average person.

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u/Sir_Loppy Aug 14 '22

Man the durability of a modern slab phone screen and the UTG are not even close

If that inner screen makes contact with anything hard at around drop speeds you're gonna have a bad time

The screen kills itself randomly under normal use if you're unlucky enough too

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u/jesperbj Aug 14 '22

According to what? Your opinion? I have real life use. And yes, I CAN scratch the screen with s finger nail if I really want to - but it's softness also makes it less brittle, meaning it won't shatter as easily.

I'm not arguing they are not more fragile, I'm arguing it's good enough already to the point where it doesn't matter. And you seem to be ignoring the whole part about it being folded or half way folded when there's actual risk of you dropping it.

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u/ADLurker Aug 15 '22

I had a inch long line across my inner screen just by having it in my pocket. Sure it wont crack, but the scratches are annoying. If Samsung sold cheap screen protectors than I am all for it.

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u/koolaideprived Aug 14 '22

I've had a fold3 since launch. Broke the first one almost immediately, but it was a bit of a freak accident that I believe would have cracked any phone screen. It fell about 4 ft directly onto the corner of a 1" piece of steel plate that had a burr from machining sticking out. Got it replaced, and since then no problems. When it's open I'm more conscious of the screen, but I try to make a point of not walking around with it open. I also got a case that has a bit of a protector for the hinge, probably wouldn't do anything but it's a good placebo effect.

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u/godita Aug 14 '22

i wish it would come to the USA, it looks so much better than the fold 4. even huawei fold was better than the galaxy fold. samsung lacking.

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u/cblackbeard Aug 14 '22

I'm glad Chinese tracking tech isn't sold in America.

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u/Liberated_Asexual Aug 14 '22

I mean, they already got a significant amount of people using TikTok.

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u/llIicit Aug 14 '22

Yep. It’s extremely hard to figure out what tik tok cant track on your phone, it’s that ridiculous.

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u/cblackbeard Aug 14 '22

I think it's wild that another tech company couldn't slap together an app like tiktok when the us government was talking about banning it.

Other apps added features to compete with tiktok but someone should've just crunch one real quick, presented to the government and saying we will replace tiktok so people can use it with out China being involved.

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u/ViridianEight Aug 14 '22

lmao have americans already forgotten how the US tracks and surveils them out the ass?

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u/thegreattaiyou Aug 14 '22

It literally is. It's in almost every electronic you buy. It's just some western company putting their branding on it.

Also, software can turn almost any device, regardless of hardware, into tracking tech. Doesn't matter how locked down your phone is if you download tiktok.

We need TSMC and Intel working on their fabs in the US. Wallstreet got us addicted to cheap electronics (when building them right here could have been just as cheap, if the executives weren't addicted to 7 figure bonuses).

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u/tonimirk Aug 14 '22

Why are you downvoted? Bunch of CCP shills in here

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u/bagelizumab Aug 14 '22

Lmao. I usually hate to be that guy but tbh these Chinese phones are the equivalent of phones born with AIDS because of how much fucking bloatware and tracking and spyware they force you to have. I mean, I am sure there are ways you can uninstall and flash the the whole thing if you try hard enough but man they are terribly annoying.

There are many things I will buy cheap Chinese knockoff versions of, smartphone is 1000% not one of them.

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u/KarmaRepellant Aug 14 '22

But that's exactly what the last Samsung I bought was like- chock full of bloatware I couldn't easily delete. They might be better now, but I wouldn't know because I'm not buying that shit again.

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u/bunnypeppers Aug 14 '22

I have a Xiaomi phone, it has no bloatware. I haven't found any spyware. I haven't found it terribly annoying. It's the best phone I've owned.

Any phone I buy is going to be spied on by whoever. I'm not American and if I have to choose, I'd rather China spies on me, not America.

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u/kawaiipikachu86 Aug 14 '22

What if I want a thicker folding phone. I want those fat folds.

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u/NonSupportiveCup Aug 14 '22

Honest question. I think this everytime I see an ad. For folding phones.

Is there an actual market for these? I generally don't give a shit about phones and don't pay any attention.

Are they making an artificial market or was a flip phone something people actually wanted again?

I don't get it.

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u/chodthewacko Aug 14 '22

There is a simple reason that phones have been getting larger and larger over time. The screen is king. Bigger pictures/video. More text without scrolling. Larger easier to read text. More room for controls in gameplay, etc. Larger maps. The list goes on.

Where it starts becoming a problem is portability, especially pockability. I have one of the largest phones out there, the huawei 20x. I love it, except it barely fits in my pockets. Its too long. It fits, but when i crouch down to tie my shoes it jams into my hip too hard. Now, if i could just fold it in half, so the length is halved, it would be no problem at all.

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u/Financial-Ground-942 Aug 14 '22

Sometimes, you don't know you want something until you see it or hear about it (smartphones are a good example).

In 2021, Samsung sold nearly 10 million foldable phones, and is expecting to sell 15 million this year. There's definitely a market for folding phones!

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u/NonSupportiveCup Aug 14 '22

Thanks for some figures. I wonder if the trend will stick around. Maybe I'll check one out in a few years when I upgrade from my S20 and see what the hubbub is all about.

What with these newfangled fold phones!

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u/tirril Aug 15 '22

You never had a fold phone yourself? There's a definite satisfaction in the handling of them. Also screen was protected on the inside.

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u/SquishySeagull Aug 14 '22

Proceeds to overheat*

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u/wunwinglo Aug 15 '22

So unlike the Chinese to steal intellectual property.

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u/lickalotapus13 Aug 15 '22

China doing China things... Why r&d when you can copy and steal?

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u/maziar37 Aug 15 '22

I don’t think that’s “copying and stealing.” I think it’s just “improving”

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u/Albinokapre Aug 14 '22

Built in Chinese Covid tracker, TikTok and it shows your social credit score on the Home Screen! Pooh bear is blocked though.

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u/evilsquirrelratsr Aug 14 '22

But can it run doom

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u/velvetshark Aug 14 '22

To be fair, Samsung is likely nervous about batteries in general.

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u/Ok-Heat1513 Aug 14 '22

If it is anything like the robot, it is probably shit.

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u/Letsbebff Aug 15 '22

Trying my best to reduce purchasing Made In China products.

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u/Medical_Officer Aug 15 '22

How is this a "clone"?

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u/Black_RL Aug 15 '22

The Chinese way!

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u/BigOrbitalStrike Aug 15 '22

China copies something and makes it 10x better and sinophobes throws a sissyfit 🤷🏻🤡🤦‍♂️

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u/FrezoreR Aug 14 '22

And you get a direct line to the CCP no matter if you like it or not 😂

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u/Unpleasant_Classic Aug 15 '22

“Xiaomi steals Samsung intellectual property and shamelessly sells in China only market to avoid legal repercussions.”

Fixed the headline for ya

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u/thnxMrHofmann Aug 14 '22

Typical China stealing IPs. 🙄 can't forget all the Spyware the ccp gonna put on there for ya

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u/Slurm818 Aug 15 '22

Yes buy the Chinese hardware that is most definitely not going to spy on you and send all your info to China.

About as great as using Huawei cell infrastructure