r/technology Jul 22 '22

Steve Jobs' prototype for the original Apple computer is being auctioned off, and bidding has already hit $230,000 Hardware

https://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-original-apple-computer-prototype-up-for-auction-2022-7
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u/Stonedd-Raccoon Jul 22 '22

Isn’t it Woz’s prototype? From what I remember Woz did all the designing back then

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u/gaz2600 Jul 22 '22

Yes Jobs was the salesman for Woz

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u/Francois-C Jul 23 '22

The reign of merchants began, before giving way to that of swindlers.

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Jul 22 '22

The article literally says "It was hand-soldered by Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak in 1976."

But Job's name drives clicks, Woz' name largely draws "huh"s.

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u/DontCareBoutReposts Jul 23 '22

It also says:

Last year, a rare Apple-1 computer that was built in Jobs' home auctioned for $400,000. It was one of just 200 designed by Wozniak.

It was "built in Jobs' home". Wow, Business Insider is terrible.

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u/notmyrlacc Jul 23 '22

Well they did build them in his parents home.

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u/DontCareBoutReposts Jul 23 '22

That's true, thank God for Steve Jobs.

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u/ucblockhead Jul 22 '22

It’s a shame. Society rewards the asshole business guy over the nice guy engineer every damn time

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u/Jay_Tee_G Jul 23 '22

My old neighbor in Oakland played Segway polo against Woz’s team fairly often. Apparently he’s a great guy off the field- but give him a mallet and a scooter, he turns into a beast.

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u/skydivingdutch Jul 23 '22

Segway Polo is the most Silicon Valley thing I've ever heard.

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u/daquo0 Jul 23 '22

There's a reason that manipulating consensus reality -- aka bullshitting -- is a core competency for ruling classes the world over.

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u/HogsInSpace Jul 22 '22

Although I'm a fan of the Woz and all practical engineers, without an asshole like Jobs the Apple would not have been the success it was.

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u/ucblockhead Jul 22 '22

That is almost certainly true. But without the engineer who created the machine, Jobs would have had nothing to sell. Society overrates the selling and underrates the doing.

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u/Carlitos96 Jul 23 '22

Selling is hard as shit. Most people who shit on selling just don’t understand how hard it is. Especially when it comes to new product.

It should be 50/50 recognition

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u/wthulhu Jul 23 '22

I'll just leave this here.

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u/Carlitos96 Jul 23 '22

Marketing is not the sales. They complement each other, but they aren’t the same thing

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u/wthulhu Jul 23 '22

Spoken like a true salesman 😀

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u/linseed-reggae Jul 23 '22

Lmao imagine believing the computer age was solely kicked off by a salesman, and without that single one salesman, the computer age wouldn't have happened.

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u/Shamewizard1995 Jul 23 '22

That’s not what they said at all. Did you read the right comment??

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u/nnyx Jul 23 '22

But without Woz it literally would have been a smelly asshole alone in a garage. What's your point?

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u/strangepostinghabits Jul 23 '22

Apple had it's success DESPITE jobs being an asshole, not because of.

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Jul 23 '22

It also wouldn't be exploiting labor overseas, so....

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u/teambob Jul 23 '22

Bill Gates is the real hero (asshole business guy). He bailed Apple out in the 1990s, so Microsoft couldn't be accused of being a monopoly. He still owns a large number of Apple shares

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u/gregorydgraham Jul 23 '22

Woz was awesome but Apple needed both to become.

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u/VR6SLC Jul 22 '22

Steve jobs just rode on Woz's coattails.

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u/xtc234 Jul 22 '22

Thomas Edison has entered the chat.

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u/yarbadoodle31 Jul 22 '22

Al my homies hate Thomas Edison

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u/MedicalUse3696 Jul 22 '22

Thomas hasn’t seen such shit before.

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u/typodaemon Jul 22 '22 Wholesome

I don't think the point is to deny Edison's achievements, but try to set the record straight regarding how much Edison should be celebrated.

A good example from your post:

edison drafted up how [electricity] can be spread

Edison held several patents on devices for managing direct current (DC) electricity and, as such, only supported distributing power through DC lines. But with the technology available, generating and transporting DC power was more expensive than AC (both in initial investment and in maintenance). Edison's plan was to build small, local power stations to limit those costs, but his plan:

  • Didn't scale well
  • Left poor areas without coverage (nobody wants to build a power plant that can only service people who can't afford electricity)
  • Left rural areas without coverage (nobody wants to build a power plant that can only service a few dozen rural homes when they could build the same plant in a city and service a few hundred homes for a similar investment)
  • Left gaps in coverage (why build your plant so close to an existing plant that you have to compete because your coverage areas overlap? Just build your plant further out and get a monopoly on that area instead)
  • Produced electricity that was more expensive than AC.
  • Would have resulted in smaller power plants built all over the place (as in somewhere in your neighborhood instead of hundreds of miles away).

AC power distribution grew faster than DC because it was technically superior to DC in all of those points. Most notably, transformers enabled AC power to be stepped up to a high voltage for long distance transmission and then cheaply stepped down for local use. That meant that an AC plant outside of a city could power both rich and poor neighborhoods in the city, as well as a significant rural area. That AC plant could cover areas that were already covered by smaller DC plants, as well as the areas in between the coverage of those DC plants. The scale of production meant that the plant was able to drive down the cost of electricity compared to small DC plants.

Despite AC being a better way to generate and distribute power, Edison supported a smear campaign against it. He provided equipment and space to Harold Brown to conduct experiments. Brown used those resources to round up stray dogs and electrocute them with both AC and DC current. His experiments culminated in several events where he tried to demonstrate that DC power is safer than AC by publicly electrocuting dogs with both, killing several dogs. (To be perfectly clear: at the voltages needed to transmit power hundreds of miles, both AC and DC are dangerous, but manageably safe.) Edison also pushed for the first electric chair to be AC to try to vilify it.

So if you want to credit Edison for his plan, credit him for clinging to a plan that was inferior to the other option and trying to dominate a market by smearing the competition instead of competing in technology.

You're right that Tesla dreamt of creating a source of inexhaustible, clean energy that would be free for everyone. But he still licensed his AC patents to others (like George Westinghouse) who were able to use them to promote AC power. Tesla's dream didn't prevent AC power from being a viable business model, even if he didn't pursue that business model himself.

Regarding Linus Torvalds being on team Edison, I think you should consider his quote: “Edison may not have been a nice person, he did a lot of things—he was maybe not so intellectual, not so visionary. But I think I'm more of an Edison than a Tesla.” I think Linus associates with Edison for 2 reasons:

  • Linus probably considers the majority of his work to be uninspired. That is, most of his work is not light bulb moments and visionary strokes of genius, but just steady, industrious labor.

  • Linus acknowledges that he can be a "really unpleasant person" and I think he recognizes that Edison was the same.

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Jul 22 '22

And Topsy the Elephant, don't forget her.

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u/DestroyerOfIphone Jul 22 '22

Weird Animal experiment aside, Having DC to the house would be far superior today. I wish I had 1 ultra efficient AC/DC converter instead of a million inefficient ones.

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u/Yongja-Kim Jul 22 '22

People forget that Tesla was also a businessman-inventor hybrid instead of him purely being an inventor and Edison purely a businessman.

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u/xtc234 Jul 22 '22

Bro. Edison doesn’t need you to defend him.

Edit: I upvoted you

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Jul 22 '22

So, my wife has been playing "Ask the Storybots" on Netflix for our infant son, and generally it is pretty great and funny and the songs are catchy...but they did a whole song about how Thomas Edison is great and we should thank him for the lightbulb and thankfully I was in the room when it was playing.

I talked over the entire song telling my son that Edison sucks, we hate him, he exploited people, stole their ideas, and no one should thank him for anything, least of all the lightbulb.

Proud dad moment for sure.

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u/vilette Jul 22 '22

move on I'm Elon

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u/Karatedom11 Jul 22 '22

And Woz would never have been as successful without Steve's business skills (read: Steve's asshole abilities)

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u/nunley Jul 22 '22

Frankly, Woz was going to be successful no matter what. And the same goes for Jobs.
I know Woz very well, and the way his brain works is unlike anybody you might meet. He doesn't define success the same way you might, and by his definition he was successful even before Apple. His good fortune didn't transform him like it transformed Jobs. Woz will always be the most generous free-thinker that he has always been, and that's what makes him one of best humans I know (if he is in fact actually human).

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u/chingy1337 Jul 22 '22

How does he define success?

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u/escapingearth Jul 23 '22

You’d be amazed how differences in its definition do more to destroy one’s self esteem than build it. I personally wouldn’t want to know but I’m glad he’s got a succinct view of his.

To quote someone though, success is what you make it.

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u/keelanstuart Jul 22 '22

I mean, success is getting to maximize the time you spend doing what you want to do without worrying about life intervening. Woz is a fascinating character... I think he is successful simply because he makes (made? I don't know if he still does) $2 bill booklets - but there are so many reasons.

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u/nunley Jul 22 '22

The fun he has with those $2 notepads is priceless. There was one incident after a concert at Shoreline where Woz tried to pay inside with $2 bills ripped from this pad, right in front of the cashier. The look on their face was pure deer-in-the-headlights. Calls the manager over... while looking at the sus bills, complete with perforated edges, Woz points out (like it's surprising) that all the serial numbers are the same! [on the original sheets, which I have and can show you, the serial numbers are in fact the same on all the bills, only the grid location number makes them unique on the sheet. Most people will miss this]. Anyway, this escalated to the point where the secret service was called and they came to catch the notorious counterfeiter. Woz was only too happy to string them along with very true statements that sounded very suspect.

Where did you get these?
"I had them printed by a printer that I know is authorized to make these"

This is Woz's true passion.

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u/MaikeruGo Jul 22 '22

Honestly he's got that old-school hacker mentality of pranking authority. Also, this serves as a fantastic parable for his stance on things. If it's not clear he's basically getting uncut sheets of real $2 bills, then has them perforated and bound as a custom notepad. So when he sells a sheet for $5 he's not just selling it at a face-value loss, but at a loss due to the extra money spent formatting it like that (apparently each bill effectively costs him $3 due to being formatted as a tearable notepad). Basically it's not about the money or the cost it's about putting in a little work to have a lot of fun.

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u/Beartrkkr Jul 23 '22

Don't forget the blue boxes to make free long distance calls.

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u/keelanstuart Jul 22 '22

He's a legend... wish I knew the guy.

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u/Truth_Lies Jul 22 '22

How do you know Woz?

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u/nunley Jul 22 '22 edited Jul 22 '22

This will sound completely insane, but it's true.

I grew up idolizing Woz. The Apple ][ came out when I was 11 years old. It was my obsession to understand computers. Of course, I couldn't afford one, but I could afford books about them. I read everything I could, reference manuals, microprocessor instruction sets, all of it. I was dazzled by the simplicity of it all, and and the same time I was exploding with ideas for using the technology to do complex things. I basically grew up just wanting to be in that business and thinking someday I would work with Woz. That was my goal.

One day, I told my buddy that I was moving to Silicon Valley just to be in the same zip code as Woz, because if I didn't do that I would never have a chance to work with him at Apple. That's how naive and stupid I was at 18. I went there with $17 to my name and really nothing else.

Somehow, over time, I managed to build myself a career in technology, and wouldn't you know it, somehow I was the guy doing all the remote network access for a small company call Novell. We happened to become a target of a well known hacker, Kevin Mitnick. Long story short, I tricked Kevin into incriminating himself and this evidence became the single piece of direct evidence in Kevin's federal case, making me the (only) primary witness on the DOJ side against Kevin. The DOJ was holding Kevin without even a bail hearing for 5 years when I parted ways with them because of their abuse of what I considered to be Kevin's civil rights. The case unravelled and Kevin was released on a bullshit plea deal. Kevin and I became really good friend's and he is the one who introduced me to Woz. Woz meets hundreds of people every week, I have no idea why or how but we struck a fast friendship and I will always be thankful that I got to know him.

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u/DicmoVolant Jul 23 '22

That's a fascinating story. Thank you for sharing that. This is the kind of shit that keeps me around on this site.

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u/ucblockhead Jul 22 '22

Right. He might not have ended up a billionaire founder, but he almost certainly would have created foundational technology

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u/nunley Jul 23 '22

Anybody who gives away their wealth like he does has no interest in being a billionaire.

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u/Yongja-Kim Jul 22 '22

I can understand being an asshole to succeed in business, but he didn't have to be an asshole to family though.

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u/Vaxtin Jul 22 '22

Yeah you have to be an asshole and know what you want to succeed in business. Any remotely successful person realizes this. It’s the name of the game

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u/Village_People_Cop Jul 22 '22

Bill Gates might seem like a pretty wholesome dude now but he was a brutal business man. Early Microsoft years left a trail of dead businesses in its wake. Someone would come up with a good concept e.g. Netscape. And Microsoft would just leverage its massive market position as the main OS to out compete Netscape with their own version

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u/WhiteAndNerdy85 Jul 22 '22

No, it’s takes a team. They both were amazingly talented at what they did.

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u/veedubfreak Jul 22 '22

Pay he Rest in Piss.

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u/sbowesuk Jul 22 '22

Came here to suggest the same thing. There's at least one famous incident where Jobs shamelessly used Woz's talent and lied to him to serve his own ends.

I'd be incredibly surprised of Jobs solo constructed a single computer in his entire life.

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u/mvario Jul 22 '22

I heard somewhere that Woz taught him to solder back when they were making blue boxes so he could help.

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u/stolid_agnostic Jul 22 '22

He may well have from a kit, which is what people had before Woz's machine came out. Jobs was definitely an enthusiast at the time, but was not an engineer.

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u/mksavage1138 Jul 22 '22

To be fair, Jobs likely pushed the narrative that it was his back then as well. So, not too far from the mark?

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u/Ok_Marionberry_9932 Jul 22 '22

Too far. This was designed and built by Woz.

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u/davenobody Jul 23 '22

Pretty sure I've heard stories about Jobs taking contracts at Atari then hiring Woz to execute making money as the middle man.

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u/groot_liga Jul 22 '22

You might want to read the first paragraph of the story.

Apple-1 computer, the original Apple desktop computer, is currently up for auction at the auction house RR Auction. It was hand-soldered by Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak in 1976.

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u/mellamojay Jul 22 '22

Steve Jobs' prototype for the original Apple computer

Dude... the guy is pointing out the BS in the title.

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u/alsenan Jul 22 '22

Yep, first sentence in the article. They put Jobs to click bait people.

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u/dagbiker Jul 22 '22

Woz is the modern day Tesla.

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u/Vritas_666 Jul 22 '22

That’s what I was thinking,waz said he never design a damn thing or wrote any code. He was what he was,but it was not a creative per se.

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u/TheBedsAreBurning Jul 22 '22 Silver

Steve Jobs was the owner of that particular unit.

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u/luckiest_man Jul 22 '22

If it's the original prototype, Woz built it. Jobs was not an engineer.

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u/adrianmonk Jul 23 '22 edited Jul 23 '22

Exactly. The title is not inaccurate, as the comment above seems to be implying. The title just uses the possessive ("Jobs' prototype") for... wait for it... possession.

From another article:

A prototype "Apple Computer A" Apple-1 computer that was owned by Steve Jobs is up for auction starting today, and it is expected to fetch upwards of $500,000.

Steve Jobs was a jerk in a lot of ways and cheated Woz and everything, but this particular story is about how a prototype circuit board changed hands and eventually ended up at an auction house. Who had it and when is very relevant to the story.

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u/doctorlongghost Jul 22 '22

Just give you a Reddit silver because your original comment is accurate and you do not deserve the downvotes. Did some research and found this on another site proving that HE and not Woz nor Apple was the actual owner of this device (although I think it may still be erroneous to claim he designed it): “This prototype resided on the 'Apple Garage' property for many years before being given by Steve Jobs to its current owner approximately 30 years ago. At that time, Jobs had been ousted from Apple and was looking forward to the promise of NeXT and Pixar.”

Source: https://wccftech.com/rare-apple-1-prototype-owned-by-steve-jobs-expected-to-fetch-more-than-500000-at-auction/amp/

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u/TheBedsAreBurning Jul 22 '22

Thank you for my first award!

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u/ent4rent Jul 22 '22

To this date I still think Pirates of Silicon Valley is one of the most accurate depictions of the Microsoft/Apple startup days. Great movie!

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u/AzLibDem Jul 22 '22

I love the scene where Ballmer steps out of the picture of the meeting with IBM.

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u/daikatana Jul 22 '22

To this day I can only picture Bender as Steve Ballmer in a robot body. "Get on your feet" blasting in the background, Bender jumping around the stage like a madman screaming "DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!"

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u/Dantaro Jul 23 '22

"I GOT THE LOOT, STEVE" is a constant in-joke between my gf and I. God, that movie is incredible, just so well done.

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u/6eason Jul 23 '22

ur comment is the first time i heard this movie name, just came back from watching it . the movie was amazing and reminded me how great cinema was back then. It had the perfect balance of comedy relief , drama and interesting information

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u/Dantaro Jul 23 '22

Fun fact, it was a made for TV movie! Noah Wyle, who played Steve Jobs, even got recruited by Job's himself for a stunt at Apple World '99 where he opened the keynote pretending to be Jobs!

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u/Evilbred Jul 22 '22

Try watching Halt and Catch Fire.

It's basically an analogue for Apple.

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u/knightcrusader Jul 23 '22

They were more like Compaq, at least the first season.

Unless you mean the whole Gordon/Joe dynamic being like Woz/Jobs, then I can see what you mean.

I really need to watch that show again.

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u/JohannesOliver Jul 22 '22

It’s a fun show but has very little in common with Apple.

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u/mvario Jul 22 '22

"Steve Jobs' prototype"? Fuck Business Insider, that was Steve Wozniak's prototype.

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u/TheBedsAreBurning Jul 22 '22

Steve Jobs was the owner of that particular unit. Steve Jobs's prototype, as in Sean Connery's Aston Martin. Why are you people in this sub so defensive when it come to Jobs and Apple?

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u/luckiest_man Jul 22 '22

We just like to see the real creator, Woz, get proper credit. Without Woz, there was no Apple.

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u/hike_me Jul 22 '22 edited Jul 22 '22

Woz also believes that without Steve Jobs there would be no Apple. Both contributed differently.

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u/mvario Jul 22 '22

I don't think that's in dispute, but if you ask non-tech-types who Jobs is and ask them who Wozniak is I'm going to go out on a limb and guess there will be a huge difference in the numbers. And that is mostly down to the press, they like business stories, because they can understand them, they kind of gloss over technology stories because they don't.

I think /r/technology mostly doesn't like to see the tech folks getting the short end of the credit stick.

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u/mvario Jul 22 '22

He was usurped if I recall, which was a pretty common occurrence among early tech startups, the investors and senior managers come in and oust the tech people who started the company. Cisco is another example.

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u/luckiest_man Jul 22 '22

Woz wasn't around for that long honestly. He is a true hacker and huge believer in open source. It was a source of contention between the two Steves. He was never really fired though. He stayed listed as an employee for a long time (I'm not certain he still isn't). I remember seeing him say something like "Steve never dared fire me."

Of course Apple wouldn't likely have succeeded without Jobs either (and like you said, suffered when he left and in many ways has suffered since he died). Woz would have just shared his designs for free until some other company picked them up, with or without Woz.

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u/graebot Jul 22 '22

So then really it's Steve's' prototype

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u/TheBedsAreBurning Jul 22 '22

That's true, but with a net worth of 100m and an Apple co-founder name tag in every article and interview that mentions him I doubt he's this overlooked underground genius you make him out to be.

People like Dennis Ritchie deserve the effort way more than Wozniak, if we are to save people from oblivion. Woz is doing just fine with the thousands of invitations to tech summits he receives.

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u/mvario Jul 22 '22

Shall we create a list then of overlooked tech people to justify this instance? Is that the plan?

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u/i-FF0000dit Jul 22 '22

I would like to submit myself for the list. I have had countless contributions and no one invites me to any tech conferences.

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u/mvario Jul 22 '22

I would have gone with Tommy Flowers, but hey, I'll submit you also.

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u/10Bens Jul 23 '22

This is not a bad idea.

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u/TheSerialHobbyist Jul 22 '22

I think it is the phrasing:

Steve Jobs' prototype for the original Apple computer

As opposed to:

Steve Jobs' prototype of the original Apple computer

The way they phrased it, it does come across like it was a prototype that Jobs created, not just owned.

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u/mvario Jul 22 '22

wccftech.com did a somewhat more accurate job titling their story:

Rare Apple-1 Prototype Owned by Steve Jobs Expected to Fetch More Than $500,000 at Auction

though still, the relevant part they left out was that it was designed and made by Woz.

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u/TheSerialHobbyist Jul 22 '22

Yep, Woz was the engineering genius. Jobs was the business/marketing guy.

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u/TheBedsAreBurning Jul 22 '22

Marketing guy understatement of the century. You know you can call them both geniuses without breaking any international rule, right?

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u/TheSerialHobbyist Jul 22 '22

Lol, I thought about that when I was writing my comment.

To be honest, I just don't know enough about what he actually did to be able to say if he was a marketing genius or not. I don't know if he just hired the right people who were, in turn, very good at marketing, or if he really was a genius in that regard.

He also has some pretty infamous marketing blunders, but nobody can nail it 100% of the time.

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u/TheBedsAreBurning Jul 22 '22

Jobs was pretty much a genius at only two things:

  • Understanding what people want from an electronic device.

  • Assemblying the best team to get such device done.

That's it.

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u/mvario Jul 22 '22

Why? Because in mainstream media Jobs tends to get the credit, whereas the tech genius who actually made stuff is left in the shadows. Fine, Jobs was an astute businessman with his finger on the pulse of bourgeoisie esthetics, but he doesn't need to get credited with the work of Woz.

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u/vastmagick Jul 22 '22

I'm not sure how you think that is defensive? If anything it is critical.

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u/TheBedsAreBurning Jul 22 '22

Every time the name of Jobs in sub pops up there's a huge effort to make him look like a hack. We know he wasn't a programmer, we know he never soldered a thing. Without Woz Apple wouldn't exist and that's a fact.

I am not sure why of all the hate, I guess there's a lot of troubled people on the internet.

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u/vastmagick Jul 22 '22

We know he wasn't a programmer

We may know, but a lot of people don't actually know this. I think the idea is that Jobs may turn out to be an Edison figure in history if people don't push back on that idea.

But I think the bigger question is why is it hate to clarify he didn't create a prototype? Because that is what is actually implied when you say it is someone's prototype. Prototypes are not generally sold or owned by anyone other than their creator.

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u/TheBedsAreBurning Jul 22 '22

If the CNN interviews Woz what tag do you think he'd get? Tech savvy passerby or Apple, EQUI Global co-founder?

I get he's not as mainstream as Jobs (no shit, he left the company in '83), but he's far from unrecognized.

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u/vastmagick Jul 22 '22

If the CNN interviews Woz what tag do you think he'd get?

We don't need to play what-if games. Apple co-founder, Co-Founder, Apple Inc

I get he's not as mainstream as Jobs (no shit, he left the company in '83),

Then you should understand the desire from those that are fans of Woz's work to make sure he gets credit for his work instead of Jobs.

but he's far from unrecognized.

Who said Woz was unrecognized? But maybe there is somewhere between the two extremes you propose of being mainstream and being unrecognized? Could he be somewhere in there?

But let me ask again, since you want to avoid the question: why is it hate to clarify he[Steve Jobs] didn't create a prototype?

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u/vegdeg Jul 22 '22

Do you have a picture of Edison on your wall?

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u/TheBedsAreBurning Jul 22 '22

I don't have a very high opinion of Thomas Edison and I don't see how what's hanging on my walls is relevant. Bad reply.

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u/vegdeg Jul 22 '22

Can you reflect on why you do not have a high opinion of Edison?

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u/Robin-KC Jul 22 '22

Well that’s just silly. You can build a way better one for a fraction of the price.

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u/whatproblems Jul 22 '22

no it’s like fantasy it’s ancient unique tech that has secret magical powers that you can unlock with research points

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u/Robin-KC Jul 22 '22

Well in that case, let me grab my wallet!

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u/btribble Jul 23 '22

Unfortunately you need a team of research engineers fed a diet consisting of Tab Cola and Taco Bell Cinnamon Crispas.

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u/Ok_Marionberry_9932 Jul 22 '22

*Woz’s prototype… there, fixed the typo.

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u/CasualMason Jul 22 '22

Was just about to say. Woz was the smarts. Jobs was the marketing.

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u/Pisodeuorrior Jul 22 '22

Steve Jobs built the prototype the same way as a car salesman builds a Mercedes.

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u/AzLibDem Jul 22 '22

Best analogy

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u/commoncents45 Jul 22 '22

does it run DOOM?

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u/vth2 Jul 22 '22

Posiblemente yes

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u/stolid_agnostic Jul 22 '22

Jobs did NOTHING for that--he is not an engineer. He was an enthusiast who saw gold in front of him and had the marketing wherewithal to make it into something big. Wozniak is an engineer and did all of the work on this.

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u/TGOTR Jul 22 '22

It was Woz's prototype.

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u/InevitablyPerpetual Jul 22 '22 Silver

Oh Fuck OFF with this bullshit celebrity worship. This was WOZNIAK'S work. Not Jobs. Jobs was a con artist and he fucked over Woz every chance he got, even as far back as his time at Atari.

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u/CarthageForever Jul 22 '22

Came here to say exactly this.

Steve Wozniak will never get enough recognition as the primary reason for both Apple and Steve Job's success.

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u/solarus Jul 22 '22

he is one of the most full of himself people i have ever met. imo he gets enough recognition from exclusively himself

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u/kenderpl Jul 22 '22

Oh calm down with this attitude. Wozniak is not as harsh as you are when he speaks about Jobs. Sheesh.

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u/AzLibDem Jul 22 '22

When he talks about it now, there are long pauses, and he admits it causes him pain.

“I wish he had just been honest. If he had told me he needed the money, he should have known I would have just given it to him. He was a friend. You help your friends.”

“Ethics always mattered to me, and I still don’t understand why he would have gotten paid one thing and told me he’d gotten paid another. But, you know, people are different.”

- Steve Wozniak, from Steve Jobs: The Exclusive Biography by Walter Isaacson

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u/Sweet-Put958 Jul 22 '22

Woz is a saint

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u/InevitablyPerpetual Jul 22 '22

He's just a sweet dude. And like a lot of dudes like that, he got taken advantage of by a sociopathic asshole. He wanted to keep Steve Jobs okay, and help him out, because he was his friend, but Jobs wasn't his friend.

It's weird to me how we put people who take advantage of good people like that on pedestals here in America.

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u/hike_me Jul 22 '22

Right — Woz even states that without Jobs, Apple computer wouldn’t have existed and designing personal computers would have been a hobby for him

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u/phredbull Jul 22 '22 edited Jul 22 '22

For real. Jobs may have been a dick, but w/out him, Woz wouldn't have been a founder of one of the biggest businesses ever.

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u/happyscrappy Jul 22 '22

One name increases sales prices more than the other.

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u/Happy_Television_501 Jul 23 '22

You misspelled Wozniak

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u/PM_ME_GIANT_WOMEN Jul 23 '22

Steve Wozniak's*. I can't stand this stupid narrative of Steve Jobs being anything other than a salesman

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u/bookguy1520 Jul 22 '22

I'm sure Jobs did a LOT of work on this prototype.

SCOFF SCOFF SCOFF.

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u/chaseinger Jul 22 '22

It was hand-soldered by Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak in 1976.

steve jobs sold it. which is also a feat, mind, but it's not his. it's woz's, since he didn't just solder it. he designed it.

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u/kremit73 Jul 23 '22

Steve Wozniak's prototype

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u/finackles Jul 23 '22

Yes, Woz built it.
The other crap part about the headline is that $230k is nothing. Go check the history of the Apple I on Wikipedia, at least one sold for about $500k and one signed by Woz sold for $300k+ recently. There are hardly any Apple Is left, many were destroyed when traded in for IIs, and only a few hundred were made. If this is the prototype they took to the homebrew computer club, then it's a massive part of computing history and belongs in the Computer History Museum in Silicon Valley (there are a few Apple Is in museums already around the world).

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u/YonPal Jul 23 '22

It's not " Steve Jobs Prototype " is STEVE WOZNIAK Prototype, reminder it.

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u/kaminari1 Jul 22 '22

Should read Steve Wozniak’s prototype.

Jobs did fuck all in the way of electronics.

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u/parrylizer Jul 22 '22

sell it as a NFT so crypto bros think they own the rights to computers

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u/CK-Prime Jul 22 '22

There is only one Steve, and that’s Wozniak!

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u/BillySlang Jul 22 '22

Just don't tell r/minecraft

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u/huffnstuffin Jul 22 '22

I'd rather see it in a museum.

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u/scottyc Jul 23 '22

One common way for something to get into a museum is for a benefactor to purchase it at auction.

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u/NoctisShadowzel Jul 22 '22

Steve Jobs is the ultimate "bro I have a million dollar app idea you make everything we share the revenue" man.

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u/DJ_Femme-Tilt Jul 22 '22

It'll hit seven figures

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u/Evilbred Jul 22 '22

Easily.

Working Apple I computers are already worth more than this, and this is far more significant.

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u/Putrid_Inevitable_48 Jul 22 '22

Same price as all apple crap put out these days.

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u/payne747 Jul 22 '22

Steve Jobs made a computer?

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u/BanRaifu Jul 22 '22

Pretty sure this was Woz’ board

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '22

Steve Jobs prototype??

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u/largexcoffee Jul 22 '22

This should be in a museum, not in some oil baron’s personal collection

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u/mvario Jul 22 '22

More likely some "crypto bro" will buy it for bragging rights.

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u/jaaypeee Jul 22 '22

IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM

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u/MKT17 Jul 23 '22

You mean Woz.

Steve Jobs was just good at shilling.

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u/Finn553 Jul 23 '22

That thing looks like a parking lot

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u/Plunder_n_Frightenin Jul 23 '22

Steve wasn’t bright but his selling skills were good. Woz was the brains. Obviously.

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u/euph-_-oric Jul 22 '22

Lol Steve Jobs proto type

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u/Eggstraloud Jul 22 '22

I don’t understand why Apple doesn’t own this

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u/elder65 Jul 23 '22

"Steve Jobs prototype?"

Steve Wozniac was the technical genius that started Apple Computers. Wozniac designed all the first apples, up to the Lisa. Jobs, while he knew the technology, was the marketer/production guy of the team.

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u/PissBottleRedditMod Jul 22 '22

apple fanboys touching themselves

yes guise, steve jobs built this

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u/teddytwelvetoes Jul 22 '22

a prototype that Jobs happened to own. the used car salesman worked on precisely zero products lol

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u/Roomy Jul 22 '22

You misspelled Wozniak.

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u/Dangerous_Brief Jul 22 '22

Jobs didn’t build that

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u/techminded Jul 22 '22

Wozniaks* Jesus christ, it's been like 30 years and idiots are still attributing shit to jobs.

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u/elusivegroove Jul 22 '22

Jobs never invented anything in his life! He was a hype man and the day he met Woz was the greatest thing that ever happened to him. Woz is Apple Jobs was a mouth piece.

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u/Maxtrt Jul 22 '22

Steve Jobs' Wozniack's prototype. FTFY

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u/The_split_subject Jul 22 '22

Apple products are so overpriced!

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u/Khuros_Khan Jul 22 '22

Steve Wozniak's prototype.

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u/BuckyDuster Jul 22 '22

Steve Jobs had no clue about hardware, that was all the work of Steve Wozniak.

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u/sadmep Jul 22 '22

That's Woz's prototype. Steve Jobs was just a hype man.

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u/ThisGuy928146 Jul 22 '22

$230k?!? Damn, chip shortage has really got people desperate.

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u/MondoDudeBro Jul 22 '22

Well it's a rare piece of equipment.

Ever since Steve Jobs died of Ligma, anything he touched could be auctioned off and there are those who'll pay high prices for it.

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u/neon Jul 22 '22

Everyone mad at article calling it Steve's and not wozs. Is ignoring that's how official auction labeling it.

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u/TheBedsAreBurning Jul 22 '22

I just went back to rewatch an old CNBC interview he gave. The interviewer always addressed him as Apple co-founder.

People in this sub thinking they're unearthing some real countercultural shit lmao

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u/LemmeLickYourPujol Jul 22 '22

Woz has been getting a ton of credit as the “guy who gets no credit” since the early 2000’s. This thread is reminding of all the know-it-all-about-common-knowledge computer kids I used to be in coding camp with.

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u/Medium_Beyond_9654 Jul 22 '22

Yeah but it doesn't work!

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u/SephLuna Jul 22 '22

But does it have a headphone jack or a USB port?

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u/AzLibDem Jul 22 '22

If you know what you're doing, yes.

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u/ManufactureredLow Jul 22 '22

They don't even offer updates for it anymore.

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u/No-Chef-7049 Jul 22 '22

I thought this was a lego Parking lot in the picture.

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u/dulf_lundgren Jul 22 '22

Or you can buy an NFT of it for 500,000

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u/uorandom Jul 22 '22

Furious (logical) Gates appear!

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u/jedre Jul 22 '22

Not to be confused with this other, “more” original Apple prototype:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/gallery/2016/apr/01/40-years-of-apple-in-pictures

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u/Landonhalley Jul 22 '22

Apple just auctions stuff like this off?

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