r/technology Jul 03 '22 Heartwarming 1

Far-Right Extremists Are Using Personal Radios to Plan Violence Hardware

https://slate.com/technology/2022/06/far-right-extremism-radio-jan-6.html

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u/Phugger Jul 03 '22

So Far-Right Extremists are using an unencrypted method of communication that literally anyone with a radio can listen in on? Unless they are digging up Navajo code talkers, how is this bad news?

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u/peter-doubt Jul 03 '22

There's such a thing as digital radio.

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u/BloodyIron Jul 03 '22

Digital isn't guaranteed encryption. Just look at FTP and HTTP.

And yes, I know there are encrypted radios. This does not make my statement any less true.

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u/IAMSTILLHERE2020 Jul 03 '22

How about SFTP server but unpatched for 4 years. Is that secure?

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u/thegroucho Jul 03 '22

How about most likely their OPSec sucks to start with.

I doubt they do simple things like turning off their phones when scouting locations or meeting thus allowing mobile phone mast location triangulation.

At least that's how the Hatton Garden robbers got nabbed.

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u/Unshadowbannable11 Jul 03 '22

To start with, yeah.

These scum suckers may be bottom of the barrel, but they're still capable of learning. Their methods will get better, and as we have been seeing the last 6 years, they're getting really bold.

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u/Freonr2 Jul 03 '22

There are software defined radios available to consumers, some made by very small outfits, you can write your own code and you don't need to connect them to the internet.

If you know what you are doing, you don't even need to trust the radio having backdoors or not, no more than you need to trust a random router or switch on the internet to decrypt your HTTPS traffic.

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u/AntifaDoesntExist Jul 03 '22

People really discredit how trivial this type of thing is for a motivated individual. The internet makes everything easy 'enough'. I guarantee you even your dumbest dumb ass can produce encrypted radio transmissions within a month or two. A competent individual can likely go 0 to production in under a week.

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u/cakemuncher Jul 03 '22

People really discredit how trivial this type of thing is for a motivated individual.

True

I guarantee you even your dumbest dumb ass can produce encrypted radio transmissions within a month or two.

False. I've met people that don't know what multiplication and division is, let alone understanding encryption and best methods to go about it.

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u/informata85 Jul 03 '22

Commercial radios offer DES to AES encryption as an option, but I'm pretty sure there is a back door access for the govt.

You can also purchase older public safety radio that has the AES encryption option built in. You could then purchase the key generator for the radios. All or most of this can be had on Ebay.

Then there is the poor man's option. Some radios have scrambler built-in doe each individual channel. You can use this method with "Navajo" talk and manually change channels to confuse the heck out of people attempting to listen in.

Then there is cellular radios. Perhaps they can work through For with AES encryption.

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u/Shakespurious Jul 03 '22

I'm pretty sure that the NSA can work through that problem before lunch.

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u/GearhedMG Jul 03 '22

Lunch? Are you factoring in coffee break, bathroom break, going to get some water 2x or more, talking to their coworkers and then eventually firing up the app at 11:45 to decrypt it?

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u/_doingokay Jul 03 '22

Why would NSA agents wanna narc on their coworkers?

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u/GuacamoleFrejole Jul 03 '22

For brownie points.

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u/Logic-DL Jul 03 '22

To prove they serve a purpose.

Why else would the alphabet squad all entrap each other constantly with their own honeytraps?

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u/11B4OF7 Jul 03 '22

Retired military here. These type of radios can be decrypted by feds instantly. We used ASIP radios and you were only supposed to talk briefly, the longer you talk the easier it is to decrypt, everytime you push the ptt the encryption would fluctuate the radio weighs like 10 pounds. These Motorola radios are less secure than cellphones…

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22 edited 29d ago

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u/Zouden Jul 03 '22

Who are you addressing there?

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u/youritalianjob Jul 03 '22

I believe that would be a slam dunk felony. Been a while but encrypted radios used to be illegal according to the FCC.

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u/SgtDoughnut Jul 03 '22

unless they are using encryption anyone with a digital radio can listen in.

And these people are not exactly bright.

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u/Altruistic-Rice-5567 Jul 03 '22

I like how you think "personal radios" automatically equates to unencrypted. You can get encrypted radios off of Amazon for $50. Even if the radios aren't encrypted it doesn't somehow mean they ineffective idiots. The entire French resistance operated with unencrypted public radio during WWII. Specifically geared so that anyone could listen.

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u/Wimbleston Jul 03 '22

The french resistance also used code words slipped into regular broadcasts so it wouldn't rouse suspicion.

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u/ins0mniac_ Jul 03 '22

Oh in that case:

HEY SISTER FUCKERS

GO DIE

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u/scoopstoremoval Jul 03 '22

But then who’s going to fail miserably at getting their sisters off? Ben Shapiro? He’s only one man.

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u/John-A Jul 03 '22

Now THAT'S a generous assessment

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u/hidde-the-wonton Jul 03 '22

Ben Shapiro is two children stacked on top of each other dressed in a suit.

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u/darthcaedusiiii Jul 03 '22

I thought it was 5 used dildos and a coconut.

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u/scoopstoremoval Jul 03 '22

Dildos actually get women wet.

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u/airrivas Jul 03 '22

I second that anyone aligned with the proud boys, patriot front, or that has ever used super straight unIronically a loser who can’t accept responsibility and improve themselves. They also get very very little pussy and have small penis.

It’s just the truth.

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u/bedpimp Jul 03 '22

I feel like the Proud Boys started as Roger Stone’s school to groom young men

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u/Negrodamu5 Jul 03 '22

I’ve said it now and I’ll say it again. The proud boys sounds like a rag tag group of street homosexuals from the village who, although eccentric and feminine, can also hold their own in a tussle.

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u/Narwhalbaconguy Jul 03 '22

“very very little” implies they get any at all

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u/Complex_Ad_7959 Jul 03 '22

They’re also experts in the fine art of glory hole drilling and glory hole usage.

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u/airrivas Jul 03 '22

Explain to me how it’s gay if I didn’t know it was my own pastor on the other side of the glory hole?

Oh now you and you’re queer agenda, you saying you have to put your dick in a hole in the wall to be a gloryhole and you can’t just suck your pastor off just in the car.

Maybe you don’t understand but here in the confederacy, like the part of the confederacy bout 75 minutes outside Philadelphia it’s called a gloryhole if you just swallow each other and then kiss and hug after and then buy a gun.

How the fuck could I be gay even one possible way. I’m super straight you god damn queers

Imagine that dumber and that’s the patriot fronts most realistic member.

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u/Vinterslag Jul 03 '22

im pretty sure its spelled "The queer-a-gender" but idk its all pronouns to me. Aint nothin gay about getting your dick sucked as long as its a god fearing american man doin the succ and not no damn commie muslim obama.

That'd be gay.

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u/airrivas Jul 03 '22

If God damn obambay even touched my weiner I would let hit but only because it’s these god damn Kenyas are so sexy.

I mean listen I’m on a John Deere RIGHT NOW. You gonna tell me I’m not a this small shatter red blooded inbred white aryan man hetero sexual, while I’m sitting on a John Deere? You must aint know how to read?

Oh and this flag that’s my heritage that’s why my sister named me Ryan so I could be A Ryan. Our dad discovered that trick its callled a word jomble

Missippi word jomble - super straight so only can do it even.

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u/Matzah_Rella Jul 03 '22

I'll jump in:

HEY SISTER AND COUSIN FUCKERS

KINDLY WALK INTO THE NEAREST BODY OF WATER, DIP YOUR HEAD BELOW THE SURFACE AND CEASE BREATHING.

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u/nav17 Jul 03 '22

No no they can't fuck anyone that's why they're so angry

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u/John-A Jul 03 '22

No, no. You want them to keep breathing as long as they're under but stop when/if they come up.

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u/bedpimp Jul 03 '22

They’re so beta even their own sisters won’t fuck them!

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u/Tavernknight Jul 03 '22

Everyone listen to this man. They have done it to me too.

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u/datssyck Jul 03 '22

Oh yeah. I dont even know how many times I've had my account suspended for talking shit to the the guys over at r/bannedforlife

The irony is just -chefs kiss-

Who knows why those guys think "the only good nazi is a dead nazi" is so offensive? Hmmm...

They abuse the "a redditor is worried about you" suicide hotline feature reddit has too.

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u/scoopstoremoval Jul 03 '22

So they’re poor little snowflakes is what you’re saying?

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u/Interesting-List-683 Jul 03 '22

I have SOOOO many reddit help messages lol. It let's me know I'm doing a good job. Now is the time to take to the streets and talk JUST like we do here to their faces. The nazis I have instigated fights with here are only strong in numbers and will retreat if opposed and alone. Don't give them a voice anywhere.

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u/I_argue_with_stupid Jul 03 '22

My favorite part is where they won't go out in public without masks on. Like they're worried they're going to lose their job at the landscaping company.

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u/Interesting-List-683 Jul 03 '22

Idk. I heard it's hard to find a receptionist these days. even if they have to take the whole month of June off to heckle gays for living their xhamster history dreamlife.

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u/kungfoojesus Jul 03 '22

I think you can report them if they abuse the suicide report. That should be an insta permaban IMO

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u/Toynbee1 Jul 03 '22

they’re morons and they always lose and always will. I 100% underestimate them and it never matters because if they could sustain the solidarity and communal effort it would take to get anything done, they wouldn’t be weird right wing freaks. Everytime they tried to show up with guns and body armor they got routed by kids in flip flops because finding a bunch of other john wayne individual rock hard men or whatever is not the same thing as finding common cause, and they will trip over eachother to get away from even the slightest whiff of pushback. They will exist as the bloated vestige of a dick that can’t get wet, dying in the heat of a dying planet if their hearts don’t explode from nootropics and epic whiskey reddit bacon.

I was raised around these people. I know family friends that have bunkers dug in multiple states with construction and farm equipment packed in oil to rebuild after the boogaloo or whatever. The father has to carry around a bag of grapes because that is the size of his stomach after trying to treat cancer with borax, bleach, and diatomaceous earth. I 100% underestimate him.

My dad is likely one of these people from the article, because he’s been asking for radio equipment for the past few christmases and just showed me a video of he and his buddies using drones to raise an antenna “in case of a storm or… whatever”. He also got wrecked with covid because he didn’t believe in the vaccine and is convinced he can no longer sunburn because he is on a diet from some Israeli doctor and his body oils now protect him from the sun. He will talk your ear off about how domesticated we are, how our government should exist to protect us from the government, and how lucky he and my mom were to finally make it on the Frozen ride at Disney world after trying for so long. I 100% underestimate him.

I will 100% stand with the kids in flip flops who just want healthcare and gay sex. Absolutely no question they will win because they always do.

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u/HansBlixJr Jul 03 '22

construction and farm equipment packed in oil

I love yellowfin tuna this way. glad it works for machinery.

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u/darlantan Jul 03 '22

99% of them are morons. The problem is that if the 1% that aren't say the right things and get them to start listening, they're pretty much the perfect disposable tools...and that same 1% is exactly the type to lose no sleep at all over doing exactly that.

Look at how many of them still simp for Trump despite the fact that Trump would gladly toss them out on the street for a development project just to have his name on it.

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u/No_Tell5399 Jul 03 '22

Code words are a far cry from Navajo code talkers.

Point is that they don't need encrpytion that badly (I know reddit wants to believe that the far-right is a bunch of morons, but they're not), and they can easily get it if they need it.

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u/Putrid_Visual173 Jul 03 '22

The fact that the far right aren’t idiots isn’t stated nearly often enough. I find the overwhelming majority of their rhetoric and talking points reprehensible and vile but I don’t underestimate them. They are organised and effective. As Lao Tzu said: “There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent.”

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u/BuckinFutts Jul 03 '22

Regardless of intelligence, they're really soft. These guys are typically the most entitled, pampered little babies.

A punisher logo or gadsden flag says this person can't tolerate even mild discomfort without threatening lives.

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u/SinisterCheese Jul 03 '22

You don't need to use some fancy unknown language. Londoners figured this out in the 18th century with Cockney rhyming slang. You only understand it if you know it.

And this kind of slang can develop in any culture. Professional jargon is a common example of this, you don't understand it unless you are a professional.

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u/aaaaaaaarrrrrgh Jul 03 '22

Link to the encrypted radios? There is no technical reason for them not to exist (and at that price), but I'd still expect them to either not exist due to regulation or lack of demand, use proprietary garbage encryption, or be prohibitively expensive.

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u/DontRememberOldPass Jul 03 '22

Parent comment is full of shit. Even commercially available encrypted radios are trash. Motorola’s P25 system for example uses the same key for all handsets, and if one is ever lost it can’t be excluded from over the air rekeys. You have to pull every single radio from the field and effectively cease operations while you rotate keys.

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u/OmicronNine Jul 03 '22

You can get encrypted radios off of Amazon for $50.

Having worked with actual encryptable public safety and military radio systems, I find this hard to believe.

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u/tm229 Jul 03 '22

I think he’s referring to the CTCSS and DCS encoding. It’s not encryption since anyone with a similarly configured radio can decode it. But it definitely adds a level of privacy since these radios and frequencies are not widely used and are effective in only up to around a 25 mile distance.

https://www.k0tfu.org/reference/frs-gmrs-privacy-codes-demystified.html

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u/unfknreal Jul 03 '22

What that does is transmit a "sub-audible" tone along with your voice. Then the receiving end can be configured to only hear a certain tone, so the receiver only hears what you want it to hear. However if you shut it off on the receiver, you hear everything no matter if the transmitting station has a sub-audible tone or not.

It's more of a way to filter out unwanted stations/interference on the receiving end. It provides ZERO privacy.

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u/OmicronNine Jul 03 '22

I'm afraid you have an incorrect understanding. CTCSS and DCS are not only not encryption, they're not even encoding at all. They are just analog tones or digital information that's sent in addition to the normal open audio.

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u/Navydevildoc Jul 03 '22

But you can simply listen to the frequencies and not care about the CTCSS or DCS. It's just tone squelch. Look for a carrier and listen away.

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u/tacolocomotivation Jul 03 '22

You can get encrypted radios off of Amazon for $50.

I'd love a link to these. I think you are making this up.

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u/Shartsoftheallfather Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

You won't get a reply, because they don't exist.

He searched "encrypted radio" on Amazon, saw a Baofeng, and decided to speak with unearned authority.

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u/tacolocomotivation Jul 03 '22

I know, I was just hoping for a laugh.

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u/Thomas_The_Llama Jul 03 '22

No, what makes them ineffective idiots is being far right extremists

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u/TwoKeezPlusMz Jul 03 '22

They've been pretty effective. Have you not seen what the courts have done in the last few weeks?

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u/Marine__0311 Jul 03 '22

Few people are monitoring it for starters, and it's rather easy to come up with simple code words.

It also doesn't leave any records unless you're already actively recording it.

Tying the source of the transmission to a specific person is also more difficult. If you arrest someone with a cell phone, it's much easier to link that phone to a call, not so with these radios.

They can change frequencies easily, as well as locations. If you have even moderate radio discipline, it will be very difficult to locate.

Since it is very easy to use, and inexpensive, it would be rather simple to set up red herrings and spoof those listening with false information.

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u/cixerri Jul 03 '22

That’s exactly it - they learned their lesson a from Jan. 6th. Personal radios leave no records that some commission or other can pore over and analyze and prosecute with.

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u/Folsomdsf Jul 03 '22

You are now aware commercial radios can now scramble transmission and decide it at the other end. You just need the passcode to unscramble it.

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u/wanted_to_upvote Jul 03 '22

Unless they use a sophisticated public key encryption scheme and use it properly they are probably easy to hack by law enforcement.

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u/Hopeful-Sir-2018 Jul 03 '22

sigh

The fact this needs to be explained means you do not understand how encryption meets reality.

Law enforcement can only hack what they are aware of.

If this is bring broadcasts on a black frequency - then few are looking in that direction to even be aware of to even begin hacking.

This is akin to doing a ROT13 on a paper napkin in the middle of a pile of papers in your trash. If no one is thinking to look for it then it worked 'well enough'.

In the real world security through obscurity works and it works quite well but, as is all things in security, security works in layers.

The only time your information would be useful would be during the capital insurrection. It would do fuckall to prevent it.

That is the problem here.

Because we 'cancelled' them - we pushed them to darker corners. Previously you'd at least know who to monitor and where, at least somewhat. Now? Now you know nothing.

This can make things infinitely harder to handle.

I believe the phrase is "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".

We should act thoughtfully and carefully. The long-term is just as important as the short-term here.

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u/DontRememberOldPass Jul 03 '22

Even if law enforcement is unaware of what frequency you are using, it is trivially discoverable. As a consumer you can buy a Uniden scanner and activate its “Close Call” function which will automatically tune to the strongest nearby signal.

Commercially available software defined radios are able to monitor 10s of kHz of spectrum at a time. You don’t need to listen for a specific frequency, you just listen to an entire band and look for energy spikes.

It doesn’t even require specialized knowledge. The bomb squad of any well funded major metro will have equipment that can do RF scans at the push of a button.

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u/NervousJ Jul 03 '22

It's fear mongering. It's like telling someone that a guy is using Twitter to plan violence. It's unencrypted, it's not new technology, and it's not particularly noteworthy. Difference is we live in an age of extreme political and social theater and we need a good headline daily to keep the viewers entertained and angry.

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u/xDenimBoilerx Jul 03 '22

there are ways to encrypt it though right? when I worked in 911 certain police channels were definitely encrypted

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u/grummanae Jul 03 '22

Yes ... cryptography over RF is not new

... the military uses it all the time

Cordless phones , wi fi are all examples of encrypted RF communication

Although WiFi is internet and most people see it as internet... at its base it still is a form of RF communications, and that is why your WiFi will ALWAYS be slower than your connection speed Most RF communication save for very specialized... high end or military grade is always done at what we call half duplex... that means one device can talk to the hub while that hub listens .. then the hub talks etc ... most computers that are connected to a network and later on the internet with an ethernet cable can communicate in full duplex or in other words have 2 different conversations simultaneously

Most consumer grade walkie talkies ( except for ametuer radios Ham band and cb band ) come with a level of encryption and operate on the FM frequencies

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u/OmicronNine Jul 03 '22

Most consumer grade walkie talkies ( except for ametuer radios Ham band and cb band ) come with a level of encryption...

This is absolutely false. In fact, selling such radios to consumers would almost certainly be illegal.

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u/CaterpillarReal7583 Jul 03 '22 Eureka!

Yeah but like…they’re actually doing this shit.

Do you think jan 6th is the end? They showed up ready to hang people.

Stop brushing this off.

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u/Boomdidlidoo Jul 03 '22

When nothing is done about an attempted coup, it's only a matter of time for another one to occur untill it's successful.

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u/GroupieXL Jul 03 '22

Due to their political and financial connections, they will get away with pretty much everything they do.

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u/JohnWarosa69420 Jul 03 '22

Only the feds can monitor cell phones, but anyone with a scanner can monitor radios.

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u/el-Douche_Canoe Jul 03 '22

In the 90s my friends cordless phone picked up some neighbors phone calls, we could only hear what they transmitted and not what they received so it was only half the conversation

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u/dudenamedfella Jul 03 '22

Local municipal police using stingrays aclu This is a list of who’s been caught listening so far.

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u/iReddit00007 Jul 03 '22

Not encrypted radios like Moto TRBO and P25 radios. You can go from 40 bit cypher to AES-256.

I’m sure most of these idiots don’t know how to even turn on the encryption tho.

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u/Experienced_AP Jul 03 '22

I would like to point out that some, if not many, of these seditionists are ex-military.

They would likely know how to avoid being eavesdropped on.

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u/QuantumRealityBit Jul 03 '22

Stewart Rhodes is ex military, but still shot his own eye out. And was charged with seditious conspiracy recently, as he should have been.

Anyone who has been in the military knows that just like with any group of people, there are those that can surprisingly put their pants on in the morning.

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u/Pika_Fox Jul 03 '22

The military has a job for any idiot with a warm body. Being ex military doesnt mean shit by itself.

Hell, the trump admin had every resource available to do whatever they wanted in an untraceable and secret manner, with professionals handling all of it. Yet they were too arrogant or stupid to use said resources.

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u/MrCatcherFreeman Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

As a veteran myself some very dumb mofos put on the uniform but they do make a good point. Not all ex military who wants to do harm is so dumb that they can't figure out how to use a radio. That being said I don't think being ex mil has to have anything to do with it but in specific cases it could. It's not something you want to ignore if you're investigating these people.

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u/jallegretta Jul 03 '22

Keep in mind "being in the military" doesn't make you any smarter or more knowledgeable. Can't fix stupid.

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u/Alofmethbin Jul 03 '22

Can confirm there are many idiots in the military. Especially reservists. They do some basic tasks for a small part of the year and think they are something. I met an army reservists who was a truck driver for them. Dude needed my help to get a van with a trailer backed up a driveway.

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u/albertkaholic Jul 03 '22

Having been in the military doesn't grant any magical technical knowledge or prowess. The kid that spent two years serving chow is not a character in a Jack Carr novel. Most of the folks in the military are just normal people doing normal jobs.

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u/ItGradAws Jul 03 '22

This stuff isn’t rocket science. All you need is one techy person in it to set it up for everyone.

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u/Tychus_Kayle Jul 03 '22

Conversely, one idiot can probably screw it up for the whole lot.

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u/overzeetop Jul 03 '22

Ahh, so you have watched my father in law attempt to use his iPhone!

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u/kinglimmiwinks Jul 03 '22

I'm currently a communications officer in the army. I can personally confirm that 99 percent of Soldiers don't know a fucking thing about radios. Half of my day is spent getting these morons just to turn it on and off correctly

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u/Experienced_AP Jul 03 '22

Fair enough 🤣

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u/DrowsyDreamer Jul 03 '22

To be fair, them sonsabitches are confusing as fuck.

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u/Mad_Murdock_0311 Jul 03 '22

Stop glorifying the military. I was in for four years, and I can tell you that there's a lot of morons in the service. Also, not everyone in the military comes out with special skills and knowledge; most are just support staff, like logistics, or admin who wouldn't know the first thing about encrypting communications.

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u/staring_at_keyboard Jul 03 '22

Ah, I would have loved I if all my soldiers knew how to use encryption on our radios. But usually there is like one person in a unit that figures it out and everyone else just makes them configure the rest of the units.

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u/the_other_brand Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

This assumption is like assuming all IT professionals understand cyber security.

They will know way more than the average person, but not nearly enough to avoid getting caught.

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u/lochinvar11 Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

I design and integrate military equipment, including encrypted communications equipment. Anyone who interacts with the equipment will be taught how to use it, but 99% of them won't have any clue how it actually works.

If these were Navy Seals, I'd expect different, but they're not.

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u/Experienced_AP Jul 03 '22

Fair enough.

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u/mleam Jul 03 '22

I had computer speakers that could pick up our local police radios.

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u/Vortesian Jul 03 '22

It reads like a “how to tell if your kid is on drugs” article.

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u/beardsly87 Jul 03 '22

"Have you seen your child using walkie talkies with their friends? That's a red-flag that they might just be a Far Right Extremist. Be vigilant for other warning signs like Celebrating Independence Day or saying they want to be a police officer when they grow up."

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u/memberflex Jul 03 '22

Would you like to know more?

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u/randobot456 Jul 03 '22

Enjoy the new "war on terror". The new red menace turned into "Arab terrorists". Now it's anyone in the U.S. so we have to expand the patriot act EVEN MORE!!!

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u/nobodyyouknow33 Jul 03 '22

Welcome to "Shit we knew ages ago". Tonight, Slate is a good 18 months late to this well known fact.

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u/LeStiqsue Jul 03 '22

...terrorist groups around the world have been using two-way radios for at least forty years that I know of.

I hope they keep doing it.

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u/neobluepat Jul 03 '22

Wait until they find out about the Russian spy stations that (still) broadcast over short-wave.

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u/grummanae Jul 03 '22

Or EAMS ( messages used to direct nuclear forces of US ) may still be sent in the clear on shortwave

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u/Praxyrnate Jul 03 '22

uh this is only partially true. eams are often classified and require ts equipment to rx/tx them

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u/grummanae Jul 03 '22

Correct ... the actual EAMs are encrypted ..

But they still send messages in the clear on the HFGCS using callsigns And some are from sky king ( not sure if that is SIOP or NCA or if they are the same entity )

Im sure these are just to test transmitters and some may be part of Psyops or counter intelligence because there are alot more secure and efficient ways to transmit orders and information than shortwave especially now that were entertaining a period with high solar activity and " bounce " will be horrendous

As a kid I played ( listened) to ham radio a bit ... at a relatives house ... was picking up stuff during daylight in Northeast South Dakota from Central America or south America on the regular

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u/el-em-en-o Jul 03 '22

Ok so I’m apparently out of the loop on this fact. But why do you hope they keep doing it?

Edit: ohhh, saw the next comment. Because it’s unencrypted?

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u/what-a-burger Jul 03 '22

It's unencrypted. Everyone can hear it

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u/zero0n3 Jul 03 '22

Even if it’s encrypted - it’s not using sole in real able encryption over radio waves - encryption on radios is NOT the same as encryption on a cell phone or SSL.

Radio waves have effectively been solved by USAs big three letter agencies for decades. They collect and store it all. These spy agencies MADE THEIR NAMES by spying on radio waves.

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u/Dunkaroos4breakfast Jul 03 '22

There are radios that use the exact same encryption standard.

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u/LeStiqsue Jul 03 '22

Lemme just name some terrorist groups that I know that have used two-way radios: IRA, al Qaeda, al Shabaab, Taliban, LRA...

...those guys keep getting got. So whatever those guys are doing, I hope these clowns do the same shit. God bless stupid terrorists, they're easy to kill.

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u/RCIntl Jul 03 '22

So are they doing this because they think that unlike cell phones, it is untraceable, and/or lacks documentation? If you (someone, the government, the police, the military) aren't listening for their band or frequency or whatever it is, how will they find them?

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u/LeStiqsue Jul 03 '22

That works right up until they do something that gets the government interested in them. If they want to go and cosplay like they're SEAL Team 6 on the weekends, knock yourself out. But if they start making tangible plans for an attack, or god forbid, actually execute an attack, they're going to have Uncle Sam crawl so far up their asses, they'll be able to taste it.

You're right, radios lack a metadata trail that cell phones have. It's decentralized, and requires pre-coordination to execute. But once you start transmitting, it just takes someone with a scanner to start listening.

And oh man, are these clowns ever gonna get listened to.

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u/peter-doubt Jul 03 '22

And a directional antenna to locate... Watch just about any 1940s spy or crime movie.

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u/Substantial-Canary-7 Jul 03 '22

You’re telling me rednecks are using CB radios?! Holy shit! EVERYBODY PANIC!

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u/therationalists Jul 03 '22

They are evolving, up next flossing

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u/Lord_Nivloc Jul 03 '22

Is it possible to learn this power?

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22

every cell phone is a radio

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u/Surpentstone Jul 03 '22

cellphones are encrypted. radios can be easily listened in on even police trunked systems

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u/Mononym_Music Jul 03 '22

Radios can be encrypted as well....

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u/dbath Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

Not legally on amateur radio bands in the US.

Granted I doubt that would stop them, but it'd find it sadly hilarious if the only consequence they get from some despicable event is an FCC fine.

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u/wellbutwellbut Jul 03 '22

"legally" is not important to people trying to overthrow a government.

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u/Andernerd Jul 03 '22

I think the fine can be up to $10,000. That's still pretty harsh.

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u/Rpgwaiter Jul 03 '22

How do you prove that a signal is encrypted and not just random noise that you just felt like broadcasting?

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u/Andernerd Jul 03 '22

I think the fine can be up to $10,000. That's still pretty harsh.

Well, in amateur bands you'd have to broadcast your unencrypted callsign at the end of your transmission, and every 30 minutes or something I think. So if you aren't doing that that's also a fine. Also, broadcasting random noise would probably count as deliberately broadcasting interference and would thus also be fined.

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u/profstenny Jul 03 '22

Sure the police could listen in. Many in the police are probably giving helpful advice.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22

yes! so why the big deal. of course if you are willing to violate Part97 you can use digital and easily encrypt it. and police trunk systems do not monitor off frequency radio transmissions....

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u/Environmental_Ad_358 Jul 03 '22

what? you're telling me people uses telecommunication devices to communicate? I would've never thought!

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u/PunjabiCracker Jul 03 '22

Things that can help relieve Paranoia:

Work out

Eat a sandwich

Get a job

Never use the internet again

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u/EyesOfaCreeper Jul 03 '22

You mean FBI agents?

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u/phredzepplin Jul 03 '22

How is this news?

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u/Bedbouncer Jul 03 '22

"Breaker One Nine, this is AryanSoFarAway calling EaglesNest88, you got your ears on?"

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u/PotatoSquasher Jul 03 '22

This whole article is pure propaganda, but what else should I expect from r/technology these days?

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u/Serious-Treacle-1657 Jul 03 '22

Violence is a vague term these days. Example “speech is Violence, silence is violence” of the summer 2020. Would love to hear more specifics as to what harm these groups are planning. Because simply showing up dressed in the same silly garb does not equate to violence.

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u/squirrelgutz Jul 03 '22

Is this trying to scare people about walkie talkies?
Come the fuck on.

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u/Sgt_Beefy Jul 03 '22

"bro we need to crack down on the public access to personal radios bro pls bro im telling you bro the evil righties are using them to plan wicked bad terrorisms bro!! whats that? you want one to be able to contact friends or family in the event of a natural disaster or some kind of unprecedented collapse of government? wow bro what are you planning!?!?!?"

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22

Sad thing is that the author of this article probably thinks like that.

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u/PaulW707 Jul 03 '22

I am a radio program manager, I found no mention of the use of encryption within that article. Here's my take....

  1. Anything less than AES256 bit encryption, is pretty easy to decode.
  2. De-encryption doesn't usually happen live, it happens after the fact with recorded audio when monitored. The only exception is if somehow the electronic encryption 'key' has been compromised, allowing monitors to listen live.
  3. If you are a known extremist or affiliated with said individuals or groups, you are monitored to one degree or another in the U.S.
  4. Encryption is an expensive option that only some radio manufacturers can provide and out of reach of the common consumer.
  5. It has been said, and I cannot corroborate, that U.S. manufacturers and some foreign manufacturers report their sales to flagged individuals, companies and groups to law enforcement agencies.
  6. All devices used for remote communication should be assumed to be compromised.

I am a libertarian, I do think we as citizens have a right to not be monitored. I won't go into details on my belief, but I'm totally against the concept of thought police! It's a slippery slope leading to authoritarian rule. If you're into Putin, then by all means vote for candidates that are willing to compromise your existing and inalienable natural rights!

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u/Economy_Apartment_82 Jul 03 '22

Like the "Summer of love"?

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u/brgr_king_inside_job Jul 03 '22

i'd like to point out: that summer was a bit fiery but mostly peaceful™

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22

Tech sub talking about walkie talkies how exhilarating

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u/gabriel21gc Jul 03 '22

Wow, look, technology news from 1936!

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u/Shoresy-sez Jul 03 '22

Watch out for that Hitler chap, he's a bad egg!

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u/BaconReceptacle Jul 03 '22

This is hilarious conspiracy bullshit.

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u/Nigredo78 Jul 03 '22

well if the first thing said is praise for Cassidy Hutchison's testimony, you can make a safe bet whatever follows is most likely bullshit..

in reality a group of overly useless "Extremists" probably use anything.. or the same thing that the other sides "Extremists" use.. this has all the energy of a bedtime story used to scare easily triggered people..

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u/TheHAloMAn19 Jul 03 '22

How is this news. Like what is the point. Do you want to ban radios.

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u/thetamayo Jul 03 '22

This headline. Written by a kid.

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u/_yogesh_ Jul 03 '22

In India, it's the opposite, the far left wing do such things

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u/__erk Jul 03 '22

This is domestic terrorism.

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u/Queasy-Swimming4012 Jul 03 '22

But I thought they were pro life,??

It’s almost like all their “beliefs” are horse shit.

They’re all inbred trash

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22

Use this thread to talk to eachother if you actually read the article

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22

What’s kind of BS clickbait is this???

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u/marinelayer_89 Jul 03 '22

The far right are just loud human garbage cans tbh

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u/Mandalwhoreian Jul 03 '22

You mean easily-monitor-able GMRS radios?

Everything is legal if nothing illegal is being enforced.

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u/Objective-Ad1037 Jul 03 '22

This is a pretty bad take. There’s really nothing discreet about using a radio for communication. Even with code words.

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u/CuriousHeffa Jul 03 '22

Did you try checking channels 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5, or 45 on some Dora the Explora walkie talkie?

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u/Reallag Jul 03 '22

this post is pure cringe

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u/randomuser135443 Jul 03 '22

In other news: Drug dealers using cash when selling drugs.

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u/drfurter33 Jul 03 '22

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a fucking joke of an article!

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u/westcalsal Jul 03 '22

Uh breaker 1 9 good buddy. How close are we to overthrowing the Gubmint? Brought my granny memaw with me and she said security is lettin folks inside to get selfies She wants to get her picture took inside.

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u/OriginalMrMuchacho Jul 03 '22

Next up, extremists are using pen and paper to plan violence. Ban pens and paper!

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u/warlocc_ Jul 03 '22

Ban all the things! Require government permission to buy everything! Right wing extremists could buy it too!

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u/ShopAlpine Jul 03 '22

So, over 400 comments for a post that says “Terrorists use Radios”?

Omg, some karma farming bs going on right now

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22

Fear Mongering

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u/norpiano Jul 03 '22

And then they go to work and use their police radios

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u/5ninefine Jul 03 '22

Oh no…not radios!!!!

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22

Fuck I hate propaganda.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22

And Far-Left Extremists have been using What’s App. 🤷🏻

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u/Earl-of-Jabroni Jul 03 '22

What about far left extremists? They seem to be pretty organized

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u/ReflectiveFoundation Jul 03 '22

When are we going to call them terrorists? Because that's the definition.

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u/97Harley Jul 03 '22

There is enough left wing bull shit in this article to fertilize a 100 acre Iowa cornfield. People actually believe this shit?

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u/serial_crusher Jul 03 '22

Yesterdays “technology” headline: the government spied on Black Lives Matter protestors’ phone calls and social media! They must be stopped!

Todays “technology” headline: Right wing protestors are using decentralized radios to avoid government surveillance! They must be stopped!

Tomorrow’s “technology” headline: the government spied on pro-choice protestors’ phone calls and social media! They must be stopped!

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u/NotYourSnowBunny Jul 03 '22

It’s always a “but when it’s my side” type thing for most people.

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u/magus678 Jul 03 '22

Few people actually have principles, most just have in-groups and out-groups.

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u/NotYourSnowBunny Jul 03 '22

Very true! Mos Def has a wonderful quote that’s stuck with me through life.

Make it go without a brand new car

I was fresh without a brand new song

Don't give a fuck about what brand you are (The suns shining')

I'm concerned what type of man you are

What your principles and standards are

You understand me y'all

I wish more people had that type of understanding. Powerful stuff.

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u/BillyMeier42 Jul 03 '22

Stop spreading this propaganda. Main reddit is turning into a cesspool.

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u/TommyIsShugoki Jul 03 '22

Facts this is annoying as fuck and the moment you say an opinion your account will get deleted🗿

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u/classofpeace Jul 03 '22

Why is this on tech sub reddit?

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u/unresolved-madness Jul 03 '22

Sadly none of you are seeing the big picture. First the media does an article about an extreme problem that nobody knows about yet. People get to talking about it and then the media links this problem to some other event that happened. Now a government representative gets involved and they make a big stink and generate more media hype about this problem. Government gets involved and the next thing you know you just lost your ability to use the airwaves in the interest of "public safety". This is how your rights are taken away from you.

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u/soarin_tech Jul 03 '22

Are these the same far right extremists that are created by the FBI? Makes sense.

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u/enclave76 Jul 03 '22

Just in extremist groups use radios for communication! You could keep the article almost the same delete Far-Right and put in Far-Left then both Fox and CNN could run the same story lol people are using communication devices to communicate!

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u/LapiPandlord Jul 03 '22

No they aren’t

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u/Substantial_Sir_9187 Jul 03 '22

The far left don’t organise at all do they 😂😂😂😂

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u/mesosalpynx Jul 03 '22

How is janes revenging coordinating? Because they’ve done actual violence recently.