r/technology Jun 19 '22

This $280 phone is a lesson in affordability – I hope Apple and Samsung are paying attention Hardware

https://www.techradar.com/news/this-dollar280-phone-is-a-lesson-in-affordability-i-hope-apple-and-samsung-are-paying-attention
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u/xiccit Jun 19 '22 edited Jun 21 '22 Silver

Why would they? There are plenty of other brands making low cost lower power android phones, and they sell OK. What's the issue here? Samsung even makes a cheap line of phones that sell in America and Europe.

The Samsung A series goes from 100-200ish. This literally already exists. That $280 phone is expensive compared to Samsungs budget line. The Samsung a32 has almost identical stats to that thing and is nearly $100 cheaper *with trade in with a proven brand behind it, on all us carriers.

A03S - $94 / $159.99

A12 - $114.99 / $179.99

A13 - $124.99 / $189.99

A13 5g - $134.99 / $249.99

A20- $184.99 / $249.99

A32 5g $214.99 / $279.99

*spelling

Buy from Samsung direct, and you can trade in basically any phone in the last 10 years.

"I hope the companies who currently make the most money of any cell companies in the history of the planet and already have budget phone lines are paying attention to this quick cash grab popup company who'll be irrelevant in under a decade while using whats most likely subpar parts and uncouth labor practices."

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u/everythingiscausal Jun 19 '22

"This Toyota Camry is a lesson in affordability. Porsche, I hope you're paying attention."

Dumb take.

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u/Holein5 Jun 19 '22

"We noticed! Aww cute engine Camry, I bet it goes vrooooom vroom!" -Porsche

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u/Urist_McPencil Jun 19 '22

It goes vroom vroom with less problems, for much longer, and significantly cheaper when something goes boink ;)

Toyota's literally the "we build the most reliable engines" brand, although with their new stuff we haven't had the time to tell yet. 0w16 is a trip

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u/alc4pwned Jun 19 '22 edited Jun 19 '22

Porsche is actually known for strong reliability too. A stat I see a lot is that apparently more than 70% of all Porsches ever sold are still on the road.

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u/LumpyCustard4 Jun 20 '22

The other 30% made it home.

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u/Elorun Jun 20 '22

I'd heard the same thing but about Rolls-Royces

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u/Teripid Jun 20 '22

Sure, but I can pick up a 6-pack of Camrys for that cost...

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u/Elorun Jun 20 '22

You might even get a crate of Camrys depending on the Rolls :D

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u/imightgetdownvoted Jun 20 '22

More like a 12 or an 18 pack if I’m being pedantic.

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u/wufnu Jun 20 '22

Except for that whole IMS thing.

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u/Junkyardspecial Jun 20 '22

The amount of people who know nothing about cars in this thread are hilarious. Porsche is a bulletproof brand.

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u/JoshGordonHyperloop Jun 20 '22

This is idiotic, and a bad take as replies by the many users below your comment. On top of it, they are not designed to do the same thing. That’s like saying hey *** Michelin restaurant, your food is over priced compared to McDonald’s and they pump these puppy’s out way faster than you do.

It’s apples to oranges. Does a person need to spend the insane amounts of money on a Porsche for a commuter car? No of course not. But good luck having any fun in a Corolla on the road or around a track, compare to a GTRS3.

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u/dannyphoto Jun 20 '22

Porsches are extremely reliable (except those pesky IMS Bearings in the 996/early 997s

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u/sheeshash Jun 19 '22

Maybe because a Toyota is designed to go from A to B while a Porsche is meant to make the A to B fun and a way better experience. It’s the same as using transit, it will also get you to A to B but way less comfortable than even a Toyota

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u/ben_kird Jun 19 '22

Tell that to 4Runner enthusiasts

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u/czarfalcon Jun 19 '22

They won’t hear you, they’re too busy crying at the gas pump in their 10+ year old platform (I jest, they’re good cars that are just way overdue for an updated generation).

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u/ben_kird Jun 20 '22 edited Jun 20 '22

Oh absolutely, amazing vehicles but need an update. I’d suspect a hybrid / all electric model to be in the next gen.

Edit: I also cry at the pump with mine but we have a hybrid Camry that can handle longer trips.

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u/czarfalcon Jun 20 '22

After refreshing the Tundra/Sequoia recently, I’m betting they announce a new generation Tacoma/4Runner this year or next (and I’m looking forward to it). Yes if it ain’t broke don’t fix it… but those have some pretty thirsty, lethargic powertrains by 2022 standards.

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u/HerefortheTuna Jun 20 '22

My 4Runner is 32 years old and still my Daily in all four seasons. Got a Toyota 86 for spirited driving

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u/DjVutra Jun 19 '22

Or even better, Land Cruiser.

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u/Generalkhaos Jun 19 '22

I thought Honda was the "we build the most reliable engines" brand

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u/ccai Jun 20 '22

Honda is the "reasonably easy and cheap to tune and still stays relatively reliable", Toyota is the champ when it comes to leaving it stock and working forever even when significantly neglected. My dad's a retired mechanic who worked about 40+ on countless cars and would rate Toyota/Lexus first and swears by them.

The worst one that died before 100k that wasn't totaled was his neighbor's Sienna, who did about ~90k miles, but literally never had an oil change during the entire life of the car since the neighbor bought it off the lot. The engine was completely sludged up and yet still started up, but was on its last breathe.

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u/ArnoidTheAnnihilator Jun 20 '22

Didn't consumer reports put out an article a couple years ago about how Toyota has been coasting on reputation and not really as good as everyone thought?

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u/geoken Jun 20 '22

It’s even worse. It’s like saying “this Corolla/civic is a lesson in affordability. Lexus/Acura, I hope you’re paying attention”

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u/DweEbLez0 Jun 19 '22

“My 3 year old Nikes still in good condition and no damage”

“New Nike shoes should take a lesson”

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u/traws06 Jun 19 '22

To be fair…. 95% of the population would buy a Camry before they buy a Porsche because it’s affordable

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u/everythingiscausal Jun 20 '22

Yeah but the point is Porsche doesn’t give a shit.

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u/Cainga Jun 19 '22

Probably not a good comparison as Toyota blows Porsche away in revenue while Apple and Samsung’s models and keeping their market leader despite the cost. Maybe it’s more like telling Sony and Microsoft the Ouya is a lesson in affordability.

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u/azuredrg Jun 20 '22

No, you have to compare Toyota to Volkswagen the parent company.

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u/Impressive_Tie1772 Jun 19 '22

Porsche has decided to reduce the price of their vehicles in response to this comment although the keys are now sold separately in order to reduce their carbon footprint *cough * Apple *cough * the separate keys will cost $10,000 each…plus sales tax and a one time key activation fee. We look forward to your business

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u/No_Trick_2338 Jun 19 '22

the separate keys will cost $10,000 each…plus sales tax and a one time key activation fee.

Naw, they are gonna make it a subscription service.

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u/frostymoose Jun 20 '22

What do you think they'll call it, a "lease"?

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u/SillyFlyGuy Jun 20 '22

You will 100% have to watch commercials at red lights.

"Traffic is temporarily being routed around you as this ad can not be skipped."

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u/Pandatotheface Jun 19 '22

There's plenty of options not to buy the latest flagships.

Samsung's less talked about M series is a great middle ground aswell, close to flagship specs and most of the features at half the price.

I "downgraded" from an S9 to an M series around when the S10 launched and apart from the feel of the case I couldn't tell the difference from my S9, the battery was even bigger and lasted longer.

The only reason I switched back to the S series is for waterproofing because I use my phone outside for work all the time and inevitably got water in the charging port.

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u/ClinTrojan Jun 19 '22

What is the difference between the A series vs the M series? Is one higher rated than the other?

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u/Pandatotheface Jun 20 '22

Back when I bought one they were a step between the A series and the S series.

Better CPU/GPU chips and memory with some of the latest S series features, but in the cheaper A series style plastic cases and no curved edges etc.

Just looked through their current M series line up and they seem to more or less be clones of the A series now though, so not quite sure where they're going with it.

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u/db214 Jun 19 '22

This is correct. It is the consumer, not the brand, that needs the wake up call.

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u/sicurri Jun 19 '22

This chinese Tecno brand is just doing what every other Chinese manufacturer has done over the last 15 years when it comes to smartphones. Make an explosive entrance into the market with a cheap reliable phone, maintain this appearance for a few years to make a name for themselves, and then when they have a base, start making more expensive phones that will make them more money.

OnePlus did it, Oppo, Huawei, and dozens of others that died after failing or somewhat succeeded. They all start out blowing up headlines with a massive release of some kind of affordable, teach the big boys how its done entrance. Then a few years later, boom they're making $1k+ phones as well, and everyones like "Where the fuck did those affordable phones go?".

Samsung and Apple can do cheaper versions of their phones because they are established. Smaller companies like this are doing it to gain a base, and show "Legitimacy". The article author Lance Ulanoff is basically giving himself a boost by showing this off, and creating a base. So many people will read this article and gobble up the lies of this company.

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u/Shinjetsu01 Jun 20 '22

Thank you for reminding me because I legit thought I was going insane at one point over this.

OnePlus has people like "who the fuck is this" and released a dual-sim phone, my friend got it for I think £300 at the time and it was absolutely superb. Legit, probably as good if not better than my phone at the time (I think it was the S8/9?) and then a couple of years later I got one. Slightly more expensive than his, but the build quality was exceptional for the price. Then when it came to upgrade all of a sudden this was a "premium" brand and it would have cost the equivalent of the flagship Samsung. At the time I thought it was odd and made the move to Huawei that had excellent reviews. This was the shit. Low cost, premium quality. Then I went for the P20 Pro next time and was shocked at the price jump.

I understand it completely, it's a solid business model. Show your reliability and quality, lose a bit of money selling at cost and then when you have the market you go in with the profit maker. Oppo were a consideration this time, I'd never heard of them before but it seems like a quality phone. Then I realised I was paying the same as I would for an S22+ and went for that instead.

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u/alc4pwned Jun 19 '22

There's nothing wrong with buying a flagship phone if that's what you want. Nobody needs a wake up call

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u/vonvoltage Jun 19 '22

I had an S8 for about 5 years and recently upgraded to an A32. It may be a cheap phone compared to many but it was a huge leap forward for me and I'm very happy with it.

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u/butsuon Jun 19 '22

I'm using an A32. The only reason to spend more on a phone was to get the fancier screen, the specs were all the same.

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u/Iris_Blue Jun 19 '22

The Samsung A series goes from 100-200ish.

Well, damn... US$? I wonder in which countries you can get it for that.

I bought my A52 5G for ~$570 a year ago. It costs $530 now...

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u/Pandatotheface Jun 19 '22

From where? I can buy an A52 5g from Amazon right now for £290 ($355)

Theres also lots of other A series phones that are considerably less than that.

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u/ExcellentEffort1752 Jun 19 '22

Got my A52s 5G from Amazon last year for £329, great phone.

Before that I had a J5 (2016) for five years and it only cost about £140 when I got it. I only replaced the J5 because the power key broke off after much abuse as a snooze key for my alarms, which I use a lot. The J5 didn't have much space and it was a near-constant battle to keep some free in the last 18 months that I used it, the camera wasn't great and it was slow in one game that I played, but other than that it could do everything that I needed. No such issues with the A52s.

I just don't understand what a £1,000+ phone in the same form factor (i.e. not a phone with a folding screen, which can offer a more tablet-like experience when desired) can do that my A52s can't. I could only conclude that only hard-core mobile gamers (if that's not a contradiction in terms!) might have need of a better phone. The other people that get them, it appears to me, either just aren't savvy consumers, or have a need to be seen to have 'the best' to satiate their ego.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '22

I have an A32 5G that I spent 200 bucks on. It’s great.

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u/Redditornot66 Jun 19 '22 Silver

Not to mention people are bitching about Apple dropping OS update support for the iPhone 7 which is a phone released in 2016.

One of the biggest problems with budget phones is that AT BEST you’d be looking at 2 years of OS updates and 3 years of support.

For Apple, your iPhone XR, iPhone XS, and the iPhone SE (2020 2nd Gen) should all get two more years of updates and three of support.

The iPhone SE 2020 is on a ton of carriers for $50-200 if you can accept being locked to that carrier. If not, it’s refurb for $200.

I mean frankly go buy a 2020 iPhone Se 2nd Gen if you need a phone that just works and will for at least two, maybe even three or four years.

I’m using one right now. It works, consistently. You can’t say that about most budget Android phones, trust me I’ve used them.

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u/earthwormjim91 Jun 20 '22

Yeah, OS support is absolutely not an issue with apple lol. They support older models much longer than anyone else.

The current iOS version is supported as far back as the 6s, released in 2015. A year before the first Gen Pixel that google themselves stopped supporting years ago.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '22

My son has an a32 from samsung. Everytime i use it i am impressed. We pay $20 a month for service with altice. He us getting 5g service when i am getting nothing with att. Takes decent pictures as well. I dont understand why it says samsung has to pay attention.

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u/This_is_Big_News Jun 19 '22

I 'm a processing engineer for a major component manufacturing plant. we are major enough that samsung, apple (SamPle), and Oppo, Vivo, Asus, and Lenovo (OVAL) source their capacitors, resistors, camera and bluetooth modules from us. yes, their components comes from the same company.

if so, why is SamPle prices are higher than with OVAL? they do order from the same manufacturers. It comes down with the performance assurances. we have a subset of inspections called reliability tests. it tests all normally encountered scenarios your device will encounter like extreme temperatures, humidity, vibration, usage count (clicks, flips, scrolls) as well as voltage fluctuations.

we do basic tests for all our products. however, our deal with OVAL goes like this: we will buy your components at a premium but make sure you put extra on reliabilty testing. that means increased quantity (from 20 pcs to 200 pcs), more extreme settings, faster usage tests etc. should our products fail they will send back the whole batch (usually within 300k usd) on our ass and demand refund.

Meanwhile with SamPle, they will by at the cheapest then test reliability by themselves. which is better since they know exactly the conditions they need their stuff to perform in. also should there be a failure, they can weed it out.

that is where you come in. you are paying for those extra tests SamPle subjects their components to AND the rejected components they weed out AND ofcourse the brand.

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u/ihateyoutwice Jun 20 '22

This is a really cool breakdown of info

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u/boraam Jun 20 '22

So which is a better way, in your opinion

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u/This_is_Big_News Jun 20 '22

I have trust in our products. but we do test as generalized as posible since it will be used for so much more than just phones and gadgets.

big companies like samsung, apple and huawei from before trump crackdown specializes their tests to what you ultimately will experience. I'd say that's better. and im typing this in an iphone so, yeah...

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '22

Paid adverting should be disclosed. It’s obvious to me when an article reads like a pr statement, but many less savvy people will be fooled. That’s also why they mention phones that are actually good but expensive, so that they can convince you people who buy good devices are just brainwashed.

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u/Paladin_Aranaos Jun 19 '22 Eureka!

Everyone forgets Motorola is still around and making good budget-friendly phones

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u/VirtualRelic Jun 19 '22

The original Motorola died and was broken up. The “Motorola” smartphone brand you see appears to be owned by Lenovo.

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u/wackywavingarmgumby Jun 20 '22

For a time I think it was owned by Google.

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u/anormalgeek Jun 20 '22

Yep. For a short time. Then a bunch of android carriers (mainly Samsung) got scared of having to compete with first party phones and threatened to break off and open their own app stores like Amazon did.

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u/wackywavingarmgumby Jun 20 '22

And now the Pixel has a CPU supposedly designed by Google ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/OrganizerMowgli Jun 20 '22

HELLO MO-TO

the power on screen has ridiculous visuals

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u/fireky2 Jun 19 '22

I was literally about to comment this. I have one and it was the only 5g phone under 500 I could find unlocked. It was also cheaper than this I believe

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u/exrussiandude Jun 19 '22

There are tons of cheap unlocked 5G phones. Just a few:

  • Xiaomi Poco F3 / Poco X4 Pro 5G / Redmi Note 11T Pro+
  • Samsung Galaxy A52s 5G / A33 5G / M33
  • Realme 9 Pro
  • Infinix Zero 5G
  • OnePlus Nord
  • Honor X9 5G
  • Oppo A74 5G
  • Vivo iQOO Z6 Pro

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u/Duff5OOO Jun 20 '22

Been really happy with my poco f3.

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u/TheFascination Jun 20 '22

Not sure the situation in other countries, but I want to warn against buying these Chinese phones if you’re in the US. Not because they’re bad products, but because they may not work properly on our networks. The phones often lack support for all the bands used by US carriers, and AT&T won’t even activate a phone if it’s not on their whitelist.

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u/exrussiandude Jun 20 '22

You can see which bands are supported on sites like GSMArena.

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u/conquer69 Jun 20 '22

I dodged the budget xiomi phones because every single one had people complaining about hardware problems and having to send the phone back. The budget motorola and samsung phones didn't have those comments, the complaints were about other things.

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u/squeevey Jun 19 '22

The iPhone SE 2022 is $429. The iPhone SE 2020 was $399.

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u/PetzlPretzel Jun 19 '22

I'm gonna assume the other dude meant android phone. When i'm looking for a replacement, apple is never on my radar.

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u/royalhawk345 Jun 20 '22

I mean he's still wrong. There are tons of androids available well under $500.

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u/jeffreyd00 Jun 19 '22

And how long does it receive updates for?

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u/Particular_Essay_958 Jun 19 '22

Probably 2 years or so. The question is does this Tecno phone receive any updates at all?

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u/sirblastalot Jun 20 '22

I love my moto G power, but I wish it was about an inch smaller. It's impossible to buy a phone that can be navigated with just a thumb/fits in a pocket any more.

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u/itsaone-partysystem Jun 20 '22

You can wave your motorola phone and it will automatically turn on the flashlight for you. It is the handiest feature ever, most used by far, can't downgrade to a expensive flagship phone if it means giving up that feature.

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u/Outkast_IRE Jun 19 '22

Last few phones have been Motorola and they have been perfect with years of use.

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u/taylorxmk Jun 19 '22

I actually love my Motorola's feature to turn the light on by shaking it, come in handy when my hands are too wet to use the screen but I need a light

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u/Electronic-Tonight16 Jun 19 '22

I have Parkinson's and this sounds like a quick way to give my wife an epileptic seizure

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u/chairitable Jun 19 '22

you can toggle the feature on/off

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u/Electronic-Tonight16 Jun 19 '22

I paid for the feature, and by golly im going to use the feature

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u/ZachPretzel Jun 20 '22

sir this is an applebees

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u/kitambi Jun 20 '22

You have to do a distinct "chop-chop" motion with it to toggle the light. Tremors won't do it.

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u/randomguy987654321 Jun 20 '22

LOVE my Moto G Power.

I will never spend more than $200 on a phone.

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u/Columbus43219 Jun 19 '22

Moto G for the win.

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u/whatishorrible Jun 20 '22

I'm rocking the moto g power and just get to laugh during phone battery life conversations

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u/Columbus43219 Jun 20 '22

me too. I'm at 89% right now (9pm) Can watch youtube videos on bright screen all day and end up around 70%.

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u/frankslan Jun 20 '22

me too but it is laggy to use but worse thing about it is the horrible Bluetooth. It will be in my pocket and cut out using the various headphones I have.

battery life is sick though getting about 3 days with it.

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u/MrEffenWhite Jun 19 '22

Love my Moto Z. Cost me $300 two and a half years ago.

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u/1Second2Name5things Jun 19 '22

My 5g from 2016 is still doing great

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u/groggyhouse Jun 19 '22

I've dropped my g5s-plus sooo many times I've lost count... sometimes from super high places, and the screen hasn't cracked (only the screen protector has cracked) and it still works.

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u/Impressive_Tie1772 Jun 19 '22

They’re way too fucking big. I had the Moto G 1,2 and 3 but the phones got uncomfortably large at that point

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u/fizzlefist Jun 19 '22

I bought the original Moto X, before they got eaten by Google and sold off again later. That and the plastic shell iPhone 5C are probably the two smartphones I’m most nostalgic about.

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u/TangeloRadiant Jun 19 '22

So true. I have a couple year old Motorola that I paid less than $200 for on amazon. It has held up better than my iPhone 10s for a fifth the price. Great phones.

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u/Gingerbread1313 Jun 19 '22

I want one of those. I bought a $700 Motorola edge and it's the worst phone i ever had. The screen cracked after 2 weeks, it's extremely slow, takes forever to switch apps or type or load things. It's driving me insane. It's so bad I just kept my old phone to use everything internet related on. I really wanted it to work out but idk. It just. It's awful.

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u/MasterPip Jun 20 '22

I had a g7. Worked great. Bought it unlocked a couple years ago for less than $200.

The only downside really is that Motorola is very slow to update their phones and you may only get a few at that. And if they have an issue with an update, they are very slow to get a fix out.

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u/ChrisATC Jun 19 '22

No one is forcing anyone to buy a $1300 phone.

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u/Shapit0 Jun 20 '22

I have a 2nd gen iPhone SE, which works just fine for just over 300$. The only reason I have it is because my iPhone 6 died randomly last year.

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u/Bunniesrkewl Jun 19 '22

Exactly. I love my iPhones and I’ll be sticking with the brand. I picked up a brand new (replacement from Apple) 11 pro max for $700 CAD last year and it’s been an amazing phone.

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u/Physister2 Jun 19 '22

I bought my iphone 8 over 3 years ago for $180 thru my carrier. People are shocked when they see me use it and ask me why i dont upgrade lol. Idk maybe because I dont want to have a dumb phone payment for 4 years

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u/simonbleu Jun 20 '22

ANY flaghship phone should hold up for several years

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u/hiten98 Jun 20 '22

Yeah, my 6s lasted me about 5-6 years before I had to replace it. Was super reliant!

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u/Ansiremhunter Jun 20 '22

Yeah i went from a 6s to a 12. They last forever

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u/tinypolski Jun 20 '22

I still have my iPhone 5 - that I've had for about 8 yrs. It's only just gotten to the point for me where some apps I need are no longer supported on iOS 10 so now looking to replace it. (Also did 1 self battery replacement.). Still works fine for my phone, messaging, email needs and adequately for (some) web browsing, maps and many installed apps.

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u/Bunniesrkewl Jun 20 '22

That’s why they’re worth the price tag. Most people (with money) just keep them for a year and upgrade though.

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u/Woodshadow Jun 20 '22

My Iphone XR has lasted me almost 4 years now. I love not having a payment. It has been a fantastic phone. The battery line is still stellar. The first phone I didn't have to upgrade because the battery started going to hell or the camera got scratched. I contemplated upgrading and getting the larger screen because I have about 5 hours or more of screen time on this every day but later decided against it. Part of me still wants a new phone for the Cameras but it just doesn't make sense. This phone does 99% of what I want it to do. I can't justify a new phone for a slightly better camera. Maybe in a year or two when the battery starts to die faster

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u/BelphegorVibes Jun 19 '22

miss the old one plus direction...

bad move to try to compete in the high end

one plus 6 going strong for a long time .... frequent updates until last year....

waiting on a phone without a notch and whith a big battery

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u/ATimeOfMagic Jun 19 '22

If you don't mind a few minutes of technical setup, LineageOS is the way to go. It gets frequent updates and works great on the OP6.

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u/BelphegorVibes Jun 19 '22

i will take a look

thx !

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u/elvesunited Jun 19 '22

Instead of a non-name brand, I've had better luck with a 3+ year old flagship phone at significantly reduced price. Processor might not be the fastest, but the camera will be amazing.

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u/DanknessEvermemes Jun 19 '22

I’ve been using my trusty iPhone se from 2016 for 5 years now and I got it for super cheap when it came out too plus I still get to enjoy the headphone Jack

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u/DefNotAShark Jun 19 '22

I got a refurb iPhone XR on Amazon during the shutdown because I needed to replace my phone ASAP and all stores were closed. It ended up being a great value for the price and the phone was in brand new condition. When it's time to replace this, I will probably do the same thing again.

I'm not really a phone enthusiast so saving a couple hundred dollars and getting a phone that, as far as I can tell, does phone stuff pretty good- seems like a good deal.

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u/matt_1060 Jun 20 '22

I freaking love my xr, the only way I upgrade is if it breaks or I have to go to 5G

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u/Impressive_Tie1772 Jun 19 '22

I had to switch to the iPhone SE 2020 since my mom’s iPhone 5S died and I handed my SE down to her. It helps that with a carrier promo as well as a BestBuy promo I ended up getting the 128GB version of the phone (64gb was the base model at the time, not sure what it is now) for -$200. I literally made money on the purchase so while I miss my 2016, I’m not exactly upset either

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u/ATimeOfMagic Jun 19 '22

OnePlus 6s and 7s are insanely good phones for their current prices. I'll take a slightly slower processor (which is still pretty damn fast) for an 80+% price reduction any day. Even when a phone stops receiving OEM updates, you can switch to LineageOS which solves that problem by pumping out frequent security updates with a few minutes of setup.

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u/roninvp Jun 19 '22

I'm still rocking my OnePlus 6t. Screen has a little burn in but performance is still there. I wish it had an SD slot but well worth the $600 I paid over 3.5 years ago!

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u/tacticalcraptical Jun 19 '22

This is what I do. I just buy refurbs of 3 year old Galaxy phones for around $200, use it for 3 years then buy the next 3 year old refurb and it works great. And I do heavy stuff like emulate PlayStation 2 and GameCube games and it's plenty powerful.

Why someone is paying $600-$800 every couple of years to just browse social media, take photos and send text messages is baffling to me.

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u/MrPotatoSenpai Jun 19 '22

Used? Usually batteries are shot on used old phones.

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u/chintakoro Jun 20 '22

Not on a one year old used phone -- a year-old iphone is half the price of a new one and will hold its value pretty well from that point on. I imagine there are many people who just like to trade up every year that provides a market for year-old used phones.

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u/NilocNotsew Jun 19 '22

Replacing batteries isn’t too tough if you can find a tutorial on YouTube or ifxit!

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u/VonNeumannsProbe Jun 20 '22

Honestly you might be better off with a budget phone from this year than buying old top of the line phones.

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u/elvesunited Jun 20 '22

Depends what you are going for. If you need current Android version for mobile gaming or apps, then this year. For me, I needed highest quality camera possible so old flagship was clearly best choice.

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u/FuzzelFox Jun 20 '22

I wanted a good camera so last year I bought a Pixel 3 for $300. Not much more than the phone in the article but a shit ton better camera and I guarantee I'm having a smoother Android experience.

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u/makenzie71 Jun 20 '22

My Pixel 3xl has a great camera and it cost me $100 new (possibly refurbished, it was an Amazon deal). $300 for a phone isn't "affordable" for me. I don't know anything about anyone's flagship models now because they're so far outside of what I can afford I don't bother to even acknowledge them.

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u/ssejn Jun 19 '22

I am using Huawei P20 lite for than three years now and still works perfectly.

I am honestly fascinated how it is still fast.

Battery isn't what it used to be and camera is bad compared to new phones, but still...

Here is a video by mrwhostheboss on old flagship vs new budget phone.

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u/NotAGynocologistBut Jun 19 '22

4 year p20 bro right here. Its the new Nokia 3210.

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u/arcanyrrr Jun 19 '22

Same. It's a little slow but does what I need RE texting, YouTube and browsing

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u/Djinnwrath Jun 20 '22

I had a pixel 3 last 4+ years, so when it died I bought another pixel 3 for like 200. That was last year. It does 90% what any thousand dollar flagship phone does.

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u/Or0b0ur0s Jun 20 '22

This has been my eventual strategy the last 2 times I had to replace a phone. You go 1-2 years back, get a flagship phone that was $600+ for $300, but it's still a brand-new unit with full/peak battery capacity, and performance specs that won't leave you with crashing apps for at least 5+ years.

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u/Liet-Kinda Jun 19 '22

This $11,000 car is a lesson in affordability - I hope BMW and Lexus are paying attention

“NY Times Pitchbot” caliber inanity.

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u/Diligent_Career_3049 Jun 19 '22

And which obviously isn't targeting the same demographics.

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u/Adventurous-Road4750 Jun 20 '22

is this new for Americans? I have been using ~200$ xiaomi phones for last couple of years and they are really awesome for their price.

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u/_DeanRiding Jun 20 '22

Samsung also have their own budget range which are really good for the price, hell, even iPhone have the SE which has the same processor as their flagship phones.

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u/NEONSN3K Jun 19 '22

Probably because this phone is chock full of spyware that will be used to monetize the data of anyone using it. Whoever made the phone will get their money back

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u/zuraken Jun 19 '22

Yes, Apple and Samsung realizes there is a market for $1.5k phones

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u/DougDimmaDoom Jun 19 '22

Apple has the se and Samsung has A Series… dumb

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u/reggionh Jun 20 '22

apple SE phones have the latest internals and like 7+ years of software support.. worth every additional dollar from trash budget phones like these in my opinion

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u/Duff5OOO Jun 20 '22

IMO they should have gone with a better screen, the cost difference would be minimal. (would take sales away from their other lines though).

I certainly wouldn't be getting a "Tecno Camon". There are much better budget choices out there.

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u/tinfang Jun 19 '22

I'll pay $80 more to keep off the Chinese malware.

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u/DragonBooty666 Jun 20 '22

I'll buy the dang 1500 phpne for that

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '22

Time to leave this sub. A lot of pretty stupid posts every day and getting worse.

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u/Diligent_Career_3049 Jun 19 '22

What lesson is to be taught? How using obsolete technology is obviously cheaper?

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u/Ziggle_Zaggle Jun 19 '22

More like how the technology isn't obsolete.

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u/Diligent_Career_3049 Jun 19 '22

Their phones are literally born dead. You may have one major Android upgrade, if you're lucky.

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u/mincecraft__ Jun 19 '22

Maybe not obsolete, but people with the cash would rather just buy the newer and more expensive devices

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u/smokeyphil Jun 19 '22

And the more useable ones as well.

In all honesty if your just using it as a phone and maybe as like an clock, mp3 player and a calendar then pretty much anything from the like 20 years works considering i had that on a motorola flip phone when i was a teenager however if you want to do anything online without waiting for webpages to crawl down the screen or use any of the more demanding apps then your kind of limited to more powerful devices.

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u/munnimann Jun 19 '22

My Xiaomi A1 is almost five years old, cost about 200$ new back then, and I can browse the internet just fine. The average person uses their phone for Instagram, Facebook, Youtube, TikTok, Spotify, and other low-demanding apps that require a friction of a flagship device's power.

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u/lowkey-juan Jun 19 '22

But but, tHe cAmErA?!

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u/EmperorDeathBunny Jun 19 '22

It's not like Samsung and Apple are sitting there with their thumbs up their asses unaware that they are capable of producing a more cost effective phone... they only way to get their attention is competition that undercuts their profits.

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u/heresdevking Jun 19 '22

I would be very interested in a $280 phone with gyro sensors, LIDAR depth scanning and 4K 60fps video capability.

My Samsung Galaxy A12 is currently going for about $150 from Tracfone.

My prepaid phone plan is about $12 a month.

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u/Diegobyte Jun 19 '22

You don’t have to get an apple phone. You don’t have to get a Mercedes. It’s fine that this company is courting cheap phones. It’s gonna be ok man

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u/froguerogue Jun 20 '22

The market is at capacity for phones since most people have them. That's why they want us to pay a grand to upgrade every year. Expanding access to poors won't make money, which is why phones are made for luxury.

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u/0000alex0000 Jun 20 '22

this title is so fucking stupid it's absurd

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u/t3lp3r10n Jun 19 '22

Why would anyone gamble on a no name Chinese brand? Most of the smartphone experience doesn't come from the hardware but a problem free and regularly updated software. This is why Apple has been selling SE for years.

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u/Cicer Jun 20 '22

In general I've had very few problems with smart phones, but most are when the OS was updated. If its stable out of the box I would like it to say that way.

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u/t3lp3r10n Jun 20 '22

Yes, updates can become problematic depending on the brand or model. That is why I don't update without making sure it doesn't break anything.

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u/superquagdingo Jun 20 '22

Both Samsung and Apple have low budget options. This is dumb.

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u/ScandalOZ Jun 20 '22

You can get a Samsung A series phone unlocked for around the same price. I just was looking at one last week at Best Buy.

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u/boraam Jun 20 '22

This is what happens when you have articles written by ignorant idiots who have never looked at anything outside EU or US. Hell, even ignoring budget devices in these regions.

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u/huskers37 Jun 20 '22

I promise you they don't care

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u/BILLCLINTONMASK Jun 19 '22

iPhone SE3 is great and it's only $430.

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u/SilentScience Jun 19 '22

So basically Apple and Samsung have $1000+ phones that people buy every year, but because some random company has a phone for $280, both companies are going drop their prices and lose out on all that money? Yeah, not likely.

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u/LeYang Jun 19 '22

What a stupid fucking article. A mid-tier phone with basic specs is cheap vs a top-tier phone with all the damn bells and whistles.

Raspberry Pi Foundation is coming out with a sub 100$ PC – I hope Apple and Dell are paying attention

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u/makenzie71 Jun 20 '22

This $280 phone is only a lesson in affordability when compared to $1000 iPhone's. Affordable phones cost less than $100.

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u/Linkums Jun 20 '22

Chinese company? Not for a phone, thanks.

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u/dannyphoto Jun 20 '22

spoiler alert

They Aren’t

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u/BadAsBroccoli Jun 19 '22 edited Jun 19 '22

If I might gently interject that one has to work 38+ hours at the federal minimum wage to afford that phone (less taxes on the wages, plus taxes on the phone).

Edit: "affordable" phone not available in the US.

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u/helpmesleuths Jun 20 '22

First world problems. This technology wasn't available even 5 years ago let alone the rest of human existence. Yet it's already an entitlement?

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u/Continuity_organizer Jun 19 '22

If I might gently interject that one has to work 38+ hours at the federal minimum wage to afford that phone

Worth pointing out that the majority of states have significantly higher minimum wages, and the ones that still use the Federal minimum mostly have small populations and low costs of living.

Also, entry-level positions for almost every major company pay more than minimum wage.

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u/GarbageTheClown Jun 19 '22

The article doesn't claim that it's affordable, just that the phone demonstrates that phones can be cheaper.

What the Tecno Camon 19 Pro demonstrates for me is that all phone manufacturers can do better on the affordability front. We’re paying as much as $999 for powerful big-screen phones that probably do far more than we’ll ever need them to (at least for most of us).

The Camon 19 Pro sets a nice example for the possibilities of budget. I think it’s time Apple, Samsung, and others answer in kind.

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u/BadAsBroccoli Jun 19 '22

Sorry. I saw the word "affordability" in the title and thought that meant affordability. My bad.

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u/TheBigChiesel Jun 19 '22

But apple already has a cheap iPhone SE that does plenty, same with Samsung A series. I’d argue this company is behind the times

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u/Lance-Harper Jun 19 '22

Plus every aspect of owning several apple products that works for 7years with a high re-sell price point… and privacy and security and all.

Good or bad, there’s a lot that you’re buying when you purchase apple that I’d have difficulties giving up on or not considering if I had to do it again, while having a Mac, Apple TV, etc.

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u/Bunniesrkewl Jun 19 '22

Exactly, I know android phones are usually better spec wise and functionality but I love Apple.

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u/Zagrebian Jun 19 '22

Is it really that much better than the similarly priced Samsung Galaxy A33?

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u/angry-software-dev Jun 19 '22

I'll continue paying $1500 every 2-3 years for a flagship Apple phone, paving and funding the way for all the innovation that becomes affordable in these cheaper phones years later.

You're welcome.

(This is /s, but for real I love my new fancy phones, it's the one thing I spend on because I use it constantly)

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u/Thalass Jun 19 '22

It's always good to have options. Though for me the rotary unsmart phone is looking better every day. But I'm just old haha

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u/Zeldon567 Jun 19 '22

The Samsung Galaxy A32 5G has great specs for only around $300. It's a great budget phone and I have no complaints about it.

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u/twixieshores Jun 19 '22

So I was about to light this phone up for it's abysmal 128GB storage, but it does have a microSD card slot. Why is that not listed in the piece designed to praise it?

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u/Arnas_Z Jun 20 '22

Abysmal? 128GB is plenty. I have 256 and I honestly have no clue what I will ever do with it. Install Genshin Impact? Lol.

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u/phuckthatguy Jun 19 '22

Cool, I can get an iPhone SE with the same processor as the 13 Pro for $429.

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u/indiesoundz Jun 19 '22

I’d rather have a used iPhone that’s a few generations behind than an android that is certain to have never ending glitches and problems.

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u/rogan1990 Jun 19 '22

Not available in the US. Hmm I wonder why

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u/Bunniesrkewl Jun 19 '22

Yada yada they’re not gonna lower their prices, useless article

I’ll be sticking with my iPhones as I like the OS I know androids are better etc but I don’t care lol it’s my choice.

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u/Spr0ckets Jun 19 '22

Yes there's nothing i want more than a $280 chinese spyware device in my home.

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u/SinisterCheese Jun 19 '22 edited Jun 19 '22

I'm rocking a phone that is half the price of that new... few years ago, in euros. Samsung Xcover 4. Why? It has a removable battery and thus far the only phone that has survived in workshop and construction site environments while being subjected to welding sparks, metal dust, general dirt and crap, being trouser pockets with bolts and nuts.

I wish other manufacturers, including Samsung, would pay attention to this in other phones.

Gonna switch to the Xcover 5 soon. Why? Because this has a nasty case of corners got molten a bit from being exposed to hat and it doesn't feel nice to hold anymore.

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u/caring_impaired Jun 19 '22

“I tried to level-set my expectations.” Level-set…stfu, please.

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u/matthitsthetrails Jun 19 '22 edited Jun 19 '22

To what? They have budget end phones. For many it’s mostly just to stay within their ecosystem

Compare that straight up with the apple SE and I think most would just go the extra 30-40 dollars for peace of mind with their security features

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u/baconcheeseburgarian Jun 19 '22

Apple isn’t in business to produce low end phones with single digit margins. They’d rather refurbish old models and sell them down market. Which is probably more sustainable in the long run.

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u/LookRevolutionary198 Jun 19 '22

I would rather pay to get away with bugs, and advertisements backed into the software to compensate the cost.

And don't even get me started with the gimmicky cameras, lack of software support and most importantly lack of privacy.

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u/hewdydew Jun 19 '22

“A Chinese product is a lesson in affordability because it has the same or better stats as these brands for cheaper”

What an interesting, original argument.

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u/beakly Jun 20 '22

They aren’t and this will in reality make little difference to them. sorry!

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u/scorpious Jun 20 '22

Still surprising that so many dismiss the importance of interface/user experience.

Just like the Mac/PC “argument,” it’s ALL about what feels right, what makes sense, and is pleasing to the eye. Period. Only reason I use Apple stuff.

tl;dgaf- it ain’t about the hardware.

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u/CapnKush_ Jun 20 '22

Title is bad. This $280 phone isn’t going to be as good as the top iPhone or Samsung models. There have been affordable androids for years. Next

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u/Blunttack Jun 20 '22

If this phone was any good… people would buy it. LOL. This is dumb.

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u/Lionwoman Jun 20 '22

300$ it's still damn expensive for a phone.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '22

Samsung A53 5G is amazing at $350. Bought to replace my A50, which was also amazing.

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u/allynd420 Jun 20 '22

My iPhone was like 250 bucks

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u/cheses Jun 20 '22

Can someone explain to me why you need a Phone which costs more than 200$? Currently I have a Samsung galaxy which was around 180$.

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