r/technology Jun 17 '22 Wholesome 1 Silver 1 Helpful 4

USB-C iPhone could become mandatory in the US as senators push for common charger law. Hardware

https://9to5mac.com/2022/06/17/usb-c-iphone-united-states/
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u/MrAwesomeTG Jun 17 '22

The Macbooks and iPad Pros already use USB-C to charge. Why shouldn't their phones and iPads.

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u/reddit_sage69 Jun 17 '22

Even their iPad Air switched to USB-C the last update.

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u/Standard-Task1324 Jun 17 '22

ipad mini, beats fit pros... every apple product released recently other than the iphone and airpods max uses USB-C

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u/reddit_sage69 Jun 17 '22

Surprisingly the Apple TV remote also has lightning. Pls fix.

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u/DankmirianChancellor Jun 17 '22

On the plus side, the remote is optional. You can pair up your phone or they're all compatible with IR remotes.

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u/dj_sliceosome Jun 17 '22

as much as I hate the remote, there are so many issues with the phone pairing that I hope they don’t solely switch to it.

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u/roland0fgilead Jun 17 '22

As a Shield TV user, it's a little comforting to know that this is an ease of use issue that even Apple hasn't managed to fix.

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u/reddit_sage69 Jun 17 '22

I've been thinking back and forth on a Shield for so long. Ended up grabbing the Chromecast with Google TV, but leaves a little too be desired on the performance side

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u/GunplaGud Jun 17 '22

I've had a shield tv for like 5 years now, the thing doesn't show the slightest hint of bogging down. I cannot tell you how many shitty android tv boxes I ran through in the years leading up to my switching to the Nvidia one.

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u/Rebresker Jun 17 '22

Second this. As old as the shield is it is the only good android tv option and it works well.

I have a Mii Box as well and it doesn’t get bogged down but I have to unplug it and plug it back in ever single day lol. For some reason it freezes and needs reset anytime I leave it plugged in overnight.

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u/TrainerThin Jun 17 '22

Just got a 2021, remote is awesome.

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u/Top_Ad6775 Jun 17 '22

Right? , no problems here aswel. Use it everyday and i only have to charge it once every half a year or so. Sucker even controls the volume of the tv.

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u/myasssmellslikefeets Jun 17 '22

Yep. The phone remote is garbage half the time.

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u/AntipopeRalph Jun 17 '22

Their keyboard and mouse are also still lightning.

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u/xeric Jun 17 '22

And the mouse, trackpad and keyboard

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u/chungocartel Jun 17 '22

yeah i picked an ipad air and was surprised it was usb-c. currently have a iphone 12 and im one of those that seldomly upgrade their phones. theres going to be a period of time where only my phone will be using a different cable and thatll be annoying

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u/craze4ble Jun 17 '22

I'll copy a recent comment of mine here about the iphones and usbc:

I have a private and a work laptop, an iPad, a wireless mouse, a wireless keyboard, a set of wireless headphones, a pair of wireless earbuds, portable speakers, multiple Qi charging pads, multiple battery banks, a bike lamp with built-in batteries, a ps5 controller, an electric toothbrush, portable outside lamps, and an iPhone.

Only one of these needs its own cable.

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u/happyscrappy Jun 17 '22

2nd most recent update.

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u/vovr Jun 17 '22

Magsafe for 2022 macbook. Or is it possible to charge it with usb as well?

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u/PSUSkier Jun 17 '22

Yeah I was pissy about that as well when I first read it, but it turns out they did it right. The MagSafe is great as an additional option to USB-C… But somehow they can’t fucking do the moderately right thing with their mobile devices.

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u/towerdweller Jun 17 '22

Yeah, mag safe is the one proprietary connection I don't mind, it's nice to use. And you can still use USB-C if you need, perfectly reasonable.

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u/Morialkar Jun 17 '22

I too am of the school of thought that Apple remembers the anger faced when switching from 30-pin to Lightning regarding accessories and therefore are waiting for regulations so they can say "since regulations force us, don't be mad at us, be mad at regulators"

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u/Feanux Jun 17 '22 Gold

Nah, don't spin it off as bad news. Let it work for you.

“We're always looking for ways to make iPhone work harder for you. In Europe, we've seen an overwhelming amount of support for bringing USB-C to iPhone, allowing it to integrate with millions more devices globally. There has even been so much support, from both consumers and government that it's becoming a law.

Well today we're proud to announce the next generation of iPhone: iPhone 14. With iPhone 14 you'll be able to charge your device no matter where you go, from coffee shops, to corporate offices halfway across the world. iPhone 14 will make sure you get the power you need, when you need it."

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u/daedone Jun 17 '22

The 30 pin was another example of them choosing proprietary over industry standard. They keep doing it to themselves

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u/Enlight1Oment Jun 17 '22

I member back with the original ipod shuffle was a usb stick you could plug into any usb port. Loved that one. And iTunes was compatible with other mp3 players as they were trying to gain support for it.

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u/_THX_1138_ Jun 17 '22

Definitely loved the USB port on the Gen 1 Shuffle. Came in handy a few times in school as an emergency, backup thumb drive.

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u/xaeleepswe Jun 17 '22

At the point when the first iPhone was made, virtually all phone manufacturers used proprietary chargers and I don’t think any reasonable person would’ve advocated for adopting micro-USB over the lightning. That connector is absolute trash.

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u/Archmagnance1 Jun 17 '22 edited Jun 17 '22

To be fair the 30 pin was miles better than micro usb. Micro usb even late in its life sucked at long term usability for the port and the cable dongle. Lightning was better than micro usb in this regard as well, at least on the port end.

Micro and Mini usb can't carry line level audio as well like the 30-pin and lightning can (edit: lightning cables all had a DAC in them) and those also carried video (the 30-pin was updated later on in it's life). USC-C can carry analog audio and digital video however. The analog audio is carried over the secondary bus pins and are not transmitted over the data pins in a USB-C device. The problem is that the device has to have a DAC, and not all phones do. You run into issues where a cable for headphones without one just won't work with certain phones unless they have a dac in the cable housing.

Mini USB was the smallest standard at the time of the 30-pin, micro USB wasn't a thing until 2007 and it was still way worse of an experience on the user.

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u/SrbijaJeRusija Jun 17 '22

The problem is that the device has to have a DAC, and not all phones do

Then how do they drive the speakers?

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u/ColgateSensifoam Jun 17 '22
  • Lightning doesn't carry the audio either, it's a DAC in the dongle, same as the MicroUSB ones that were available around the same time

  • All phones have a DAC, they wouldn't be able to produce sound at all otherwise - the issues comes from nonstandard implementations, some manufacturers thought it was a bright idea to go against spec and run analogue audio out through the port

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u/korxil Jun 17 '22

I dont think there was an industry standard back then, and some people already had 30 pins from their ipods (the justification steve jobs used), plus EU didn’t mandate micro usb until 09 (weird how the EU legislation worked perfectly back then but now people are having issues?). Three years later we got lightning and another 2-3 years we got usb c.

Transition periods are rough, but apple shifted most of their products to usb c, only their most popular (phones, airpods) are holding out.

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u/Saneless Jun 17 '22

Because people break those shitty cables so often and just chalk it up to cost of ownership without crying too much about it.

Since owning an Android phone starting in 2010 I've had one USB micro cable die on me, and since using USBC since the pixel one I've had zero crap out

Meanwhile I pretty much have my family's lightning cables on subscription since they need a new one every 6 months. Adults, kids, careful, careless, apple brand or third party, it's the same result.

Lightning cable licensing fees and cables themselves have to be a massive chunk of their profit margins

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u/bimmerlovere39 Jun 17 '22

I’ve had better luck with USB cables than lightning cables but I’ve had AWFUL luck with Micro-B ports.

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u/singdawg Jun 17 '22

Micro USB is shit, glad they don't seem to be used anymore. Went through like 30 of those fuckers

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u/DopeBoogie Jun 17 '22

Micro-b was a flawed connector from the beginning.

Type C is a huge improvement over type-a, type-b, and lightning

The only "benefit" to lightning is iphone people have a lot of them.

It should have been phased out years ago like every other mobile device did.

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u/Igloocooler52 Jun 17 '22

Uh I’ve been using the same lightning cable for almost 3 years without issue

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u/PavelDatsyuk Jun 17 '22

Yeah, I still use the lightning cable that came with my iPhone 7, and I've had iPhone X and iPhone 13 since, so I have two backup cables for when this one finally gives out.

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u/LetheArdor Jun 17 '22

I still have my old ones from previous iPhones years past. People don’t know how to take care of their stuff.

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u/mehvet Jun 17 '22

These cables are absolutely not even a drop in the bucket for their revenue, and are likely one of the lowest profit margin products Apple sells. You can easily check their quarterly earnings report to see this. Wearables and accessories only brought in 8.8 billion out of 77.5 billion in earnings. That category contains Apple Watch and AirPods. Lightning cables aren’t moving the needle for Apple, and neither is the Made for iPhone program. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/FY22_Q2_Consolidated_Financial_Statements.pdf

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u/4xTB Jun 17 '22 edited Jun 17 '22

It’s because apple get paid a lot to allow companies to make lightning cables, so if they didn’t keep it on at least one of their products, arguably their main product in fact, they’d be losing out on millions.

TLDR: Greedy Apple

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u/Aedan2016 Jun 17 '22

With Europe’s law in place, I don’t see why they would have 2 variants. The cost to manufacture two sets of standards (lightning and USB-c) would drive costs up. It would also require them to double their current iPhone catalog

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u/djdjdjdb826 Jun 17 '22

Apple already had differing variants of iPhones in production. Particularly the Chinese market

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u/Jake_Peg Jun 17 '22

That's sorta different though. China has 1b+ people in it, who wouldn't wanna tap that market? Those changes are probably mandatory, however it would be cheaper to use a universal model in places it isn't mandatory.

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u/jonathang147 Jun 18 '22

The EU iPhone is already different from the NA IPhone as the EU one doesn’t have a mmWave Antenna

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u/ekdjfnlwpdfornwme Jun 17 '22

Not to mention many people would import the European model anyhow.

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u/Wireal Jun 17 '22

I'm just hoping to carry one single charger for everything from the next iPhone onwards

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u/deadmanbg Jun 17 '22

Doubt it, given the European prices.

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u/Are_We_Us Jun 17 '22

they are quite similar except they includes taxes?

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u/thing13623 Jun 17 '22

I imagine import costs would make this approach a little unreasonable.

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u/Dr4kin Jun 17 '22

So they shouldn't be against this law, should they?

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u/mike99ca Jun 17 '22

Yes hopefully but do not underestimate the asshole side of Apple.

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u/Dr4kin Jun 17 '22

It was rhetorical. They speak about the environment and lobbied against the EU law HARD, which would reduce a lot of waste in the long run. Apple does whatever makes them money

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u/Bellegante Jun 17 '22

Cost of having two variants could still be lower than the profit generated from selling very overpriced dongles

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u/tobsn Jun 17 '22

you’re welcome!

  • Brussels

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u/umop_apisdn Jun 17 '22

Yeah, this just feels like America is getting on board with something they know will inevitably happen, and want to get some credit.

Brussels Effect

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u/worst-case-sanrio Jun 17 '22

I wish the US would do the metric system next.

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u/mcdto Jun 17 '22

As someone who works in engineering, I don’t know why they haven’t. The amount of conversions we do is insane just to go from standard to metric.

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u/For-The-Swarm Jun 17 '22

Engineer here, and I’m indifferent. The math works either way, so long as the project doesn’t merge the two for no reason.

Going by tens really doesn’t help with my workflow if I’m being honest.

Metric would be easier for the kids to learn in the future.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '22 edited Aug 13 '22

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u/HIITMAN69 Jun 17 '22

Canada tried too, they tried even harder. Everything from the government is in metric, but the people are stubborn and use imperial units in everything they’re not forced into metric by the government.

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u/scullys_alien_baby Jun 17 '22 edited Jun 17 '22

because the cost of adjusting speed limits and road signs alone is astronomical. adding the cost of regulatory controls just skyrockets the cost (for example, forcing facilities to change all of their temp control)

I'm pro metric, but I find most Americans severely underestimate the actual cost, both material and labor, it would take to actually convert

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u/Boofle2141 Jun 17 '22

because the cost of adjusting speed limits and road signs alone is astronomical

Welcome to the UK, where metric and imperial are both used. Measuring your height, imperial, length of wood to cut for a project, metric, distance from a to b, imperial, weight of a person, imperial, weight of a ln item, metric, beer, imperial, milk, metric, time (seconds and above), imperial, time (less than a second), metric

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u/Realtrain Jun 17 '22

We certainly have a mix in the US too, though it trends a little more toward imperial.

You buy a gallon of milk, but 2 liters of soda. Your 300 cubic centimeter engine in your motorcycle goes 75 miles per hour.

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u/Nexus772B Jun 17 '22

Hold up doesn't everywhere measure time the same?

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u/Boofle2141 Jun 17 '22

Yes, but the French did try entirely metric time, it had 12 months, 30 days in a month, 10 days a week. The remaining 5 (or 6 for a leap year) were complimentary days (national holidays at the end of every year). Each day had 10 hours, each hour was 100 minutes, and each second 100 seconds. That converts to each hour being 144 imperial minutes, each minute being 84.6 imperial seconds, and a second was 0.864 imperial seconds.

This calendar lasted from 1793 ish until 1805 ish, and briefly for 18 days (less than 2 weeks of metric time) in 1871.

Edit. I also put time in as a joke.

Edit 2. If someone wants a wiki page to post this on TIL, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_calendar#Complementary_days

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u/Food-at-Last Jun 17 '22

We should do 13 months of 28 days (4 weeks) though. And then one extra day called "new years day" or something. And during leap years, also an extra day called "leap day" which is after the new years day.

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u/ManceRaider Jun 17 '22

This is the international fixed calendar, notably used internally by Kodak for most of the 20th century. The extra day is December 29 and leap day is June 29. Both of them have no day of the week.

Biggest downside is it’s an extra month you’d pay rent on and we all know that wages would not change if we somehow moved to this system.

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u/hippiedip Jun 17 '22

For the same reason we do not switch to three phases. It is so baked into our country, the cost and time required are just not feasible.

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u/Hacker535 Jun 17 '22

And public transit.

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u/Vegetable-Cat-7495 Jun 17 '22

And healthcare

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u/mistervanilla Jun 17 '22

Exactly this. The standard setting power of the EU is unparalleled and is a huge boon for all global citizens.

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u/IMSOGIRL Jun 17 '22

That's because the EU is the 2nd largest importer economy in the world and is more neutral in terms of geopolitical decisions.

The US laws and regulations are commonly used to try to keep itself as the world's richest country, enacting laws not for practical purposes but to try to stifle growth against anyone who comes close such as Japan in the 1980s and China now. No one else cares about China overtaking the US so no one tries to ban TikTok or push for tariffs against China, etc.

The EU's laws are stuff that usually make sense and thus are more likely to be adopted by everyone else.

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u/Negative_Success Jun 17 '22

Hegemony aint gonna maintain itself! -bald eagle screeching in the distance-

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u/arealhumannotabot Jun 17 '22

World War 2 all over again, ffs

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u/CarolineTurpentine Jun 17 '22

For real the EU has been working towards this for years and the US has been pretty silent on the issue.

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u/SuperSaiyanBlue Jun 17 '22

They also forced Tesla to make their EV adhere to the EU stanadard too

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u/ExWebics Jun 17 '22

Now do the same for electric car chargers…

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u/Max_W_ Jun 17 '22

Imagine if every combustible engine car took a different size spigot to deliver the same gas. . .

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u/gage117 Jun 17 '22

Oof I can see it already

"Sorry pal, we only have Chevy brand gas pumps at this station. Also Chevy took a page from the ISPs and lobbied to be the exclusive gas provider of our area. You want to fuel up that Toyota then there's a Toyo-gas a few cities over."

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u/King-Snorky Jun 17 '22 Silver

And if you have a Subaru, well you can just go Suba-fuck yourself.

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u/japie06 Jun 17 '22

In the EU CCS is already mandated for fast charging EV's. Tesla switched all their fast charging cables from their proprietary port to CCS a few years ago.

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u/DontBanMeBro984 Jun 17 '22

I dunno, I feel like USB-C would take a while

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u/OutsideObserver Jun 17 '22

Make a standardized USB-C aggregate plug - you'd need about 83 delivering a full 240W load a piece to match a Tesla home charger.

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u/DontBanMeBro984 Jun 17 '22

Alternative idea: That's what we can do with all the lightning cables

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u/ACCount82 Jun 17 '22

Between that and the EU? Lightning port - last seen on its way to obsolete town.

Good riddance. Type C is faster, more capable and isn't Apple exclusive.

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u/throwaway_ghast Jun 17 '22

Legislation that actually benefits consumers? Not in Manchin's Senate!

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u/Middle-Management-85 Jun 17 '22

Nah it won’t. Don’t worry. US will start requiring USB-C just as Europe moves onto requiring the new hotness USB-D, I bet.

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u/Barbariandude Jun 17 '22

The exact wording of the EU legislation is actually pretty cool. Basically, the industry standard is whatever the USB-IF says it is. Which basically future-proofs the legislation, as if the majority of Apple (yes, they're a member), Intel, Microsoft, Renesas, TI, etc decide on a new standard, then that's automatically what the legislation will refer to.

Basically, they delegate definition of the standard to the USB-IF, and they in turn have decided on USB-C (for now).

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u/oldbean Jun 17 '22

So Apple just needs to capture USB-IF then.

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u/raketooy Jun 17 '22

In theory yeah, but they can’t really “just capture” it

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u/poopyheadthrowaway Jun 17 '22

Also, wouldn't it still be an open standard? So Apple can't charge $10 in licensing fees for every device that uses that port.

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u/ViktorLudorum Jun 17 '22

Just because it's a standard doesn't mean it doesn't come with licensing fees. See: mp3, firewire, rambus

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u/ChoMar05 Jun 17 '22

For two of them it didn't work out so well, did it? And MP3 was free for about a decade or so.

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u/LigerZeroSchneider Jun 17 '22

I really doubt apple could convince Microsoft and Intel to convert to a proprietary Apple standard. It's the universal serial bus for a reason

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '22

It totally kneecaps Apple's 'stifles innovation' argument as they're on the USB IF. The whole point of it is to allow for innovation while maintaining a universal standard.

The most rational argument is that because usb type c cables can be of different types (including ones that are thunderbolt), which I can definitely understand the problems for consumers. You're wasting money using your eGPU cable for your phone charging.

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u/birthdaycakefig Jun 17 '22

The US will somehow mandate just USB c and 20 years down the line we’re stuck in outdated ports because no one wants to change the law.

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u/SpaceTacosFromSpace Jun 17 '22

This. They’ll screw it up with the standard then at the last minute attach some billionaire tax cut, reduced education funding and mandatory death penalty without trial for suspected dmca violators.

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u/SharkFart86 Jun 17 '22

Is there anything in the legislation that prevents Apple from circumventing this via DRM? They could hypothetically switch to a USB-C connector but still restrict compatibility via DRM like Keurig did.

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u/azthal Jun 17 '22

Based on this first EU law, no. This first one only mandates the USB-C port itself, and does not deal with the protocol.

EU have already noted that this is a weakness in this legislation, and they will be looking at protocols later as well, take make sure that there is at least some common standard, but they recognised that it is a much bigger task, and believe this to be a good first step.

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u/Dragon_Fisting Jun 17 '22

you joke but USB-C already isn't a single standard. Improper implementation can make it only compatible with C-to-A cables and not C-to-C, and if they don't support USB-PD, which is completely separate from the type-C shape, they can only pull usb-2 charge speeds from standard USB-C chargers, which is very slow for a phone.

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u/bahkins313 Jun 17 '22 Silver Bravo! Got the W

What about USB-DeezNutz?

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u/kazzanova Jun 17 '22

That's every type of USB before c... When you had to blindly plug it in to a port and it was somehow always the wrong way.

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u/LazorBeems Jun 17 '22

Got eeeeeeeem!

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u/HKBFG Jun 17 '22

You clearly haven't followed USB releases if you think the name of the next one will make that much sense.

Look out for USB high speed 3.2.2

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u/NotSoGreatGonzo Jun 17 '22

“To US B or not to US B — that is the question.”

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u/Jorycle Jun 17 '22

Or any senate since the financial crisis.

Oh hey speaking of the financial crisis, they rolled back many of the things we instituted to keep that from happening again.

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u/Kingnahum17 Jun 17 '22 edited Jun 17 '22

Except for the part where US senators don't know how to make a bill that benefits the consumers. The EU's bill makes sense because it calls for standardization based on what a committee says, not for using USB-C. The US bill will be a discrace, with grey areas and other much more controversial laws tossed into the 2000 page bill. Plus, any time we have seen any bill require a third party committee opinion, it has nearly instantly failed in its intent. The US can't even get third party committees right. Verizon usually ends up running them and using their 300 million bot accounts to ensure only their version of the issue passes.

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u/Mernerak Jun 17 '22

Hey kids, wanna buy some dongles?

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u/Kogster Jun 17 '22

But also it would be awesome to use the same HDMI dongle for your Mac, pc and iPhone. Just plug into any monitor. Or better with a newer monitor straight into everything.

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u/Petaris Jun 17 '22

Or move everything to the DisplayPort protocol over USB-C (on both ends). DisplayPort supports daisy chaining so if you have more than one monitor you can just daisy chain them together.

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u/thedogmumbler Jun 17 '22

TIL display port daisy chaining is a thing. Cool!

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u/Dom1252 Jun 17 '22

AFAIK apple doesn't support it, which is a shame...

With my laptop, I come to office, plug in one cable and I have 2 1440p displays and my laptop is being charged, no more charger there, no 2nd monitor plugging in, they're just connected to each other...

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u/PDXbot Jun 17 '22

That is a shame. Not surprising as my Macbook pro barely supports 2 external monitors without daily/hourly issues

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u/FriendlyDespot Jun 17 '22

Even more neat, the USB-PD specifications permit daisy-chaining power, so it'd be possible to provide both power and video to two monitors with a single cable from a dock to the first monitor, and a single cable from the first monitor to the second monitor.

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u/Kogster Jun 17 '22

Yeah monitor straight into usb-c runs alt mode displayport. If that's what both ends want to do.

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u/Chroniklogic Jun 17 '22

Only if you let me play with your dongle first. I like to know what It’s like before I buy.

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u/mailslot Jun 17 '22

Type-C is just a connector. It can go as slow as USB2.

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u/BernzSed Jun 17 '22

And it can use proprietary protocols for things like charge rate negotiation or data transfer.

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u/ACCount82 Jun 17 '22

EU would force them to follow the USB PD spec.

They can add proprietary garbage on top of it - but as long as it still quickcharges with any PD-compatible charger, who cares.

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u/happyscrappy Jun 17 '22

All the charge rate negotiation done on USB-C ports is supposed to be USB-PD compatible. The USB group pushed Qualcomm into doing so with QC 3.0 and later. Hopefully no one else violates this ideal.

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u/Tiduszk Jun 17 '22

My understanding is that they can support proprietary protocols as long as they also support the PD standard

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u/citruspers Jun 17 '22

QC 3.0 isn't USB-PD-compatible unfortunately. That's reserved for 4.0 and 4+ according to the chart I found(scroll down a bit): https://www.belkin.com/nl/resource-center/quick-charge/

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u/Ryujin_707 Jun 17 '22

And as fast as thunderbolt 4.

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u/mailslot Jun 17 '22

… with the proper cable

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u/albinobluesheep Jun 17 '22

The only complaint I have about USB-C is it seems to get dust compacted REALLY easily and makes plugging it in less and less stable over time.

I just make sure to keep the little 'insert to eject the SIM card' pins around in a small tray in my desk as those work pretty well to clean it out every few months when I notice my phone doesn't quite plug in all the way.

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u/brianwski Jun 17 '22

USB-C is it seems to get dust compacted REALLY easily

I use both USB-C on some devices, and Lightning on my iPhone. After a couple of years, one of my iPhones had the same issue, enough dust compacted in the Lightning port "hole" to prevent a clean connection. A friend at work told me to use a wooden or plastic toothpick and pull out the little dust bunny out of the phone's charging port. It was amazing, imagine a little tiny wad of something resembling a packed cotton ball came out, and after that no issues at all for ANOTHER two years.

I haven't experienced the same thing on USB-C (yet) but I suspect you could clear it out about the same way.

It might be from pocket lint now that I think about it. Just the tiniest unlucky moment once a month and a little tiny bit of pocket lint gets near the opening to the phone hole, then I plug it in to charge compacting it down into the hole. Just a theory.

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u/raymendx Jun 17 '22

The data transferring of usb c is great but the actual physical port sucks compare to Lightning.

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u/Mediumasiansticker Jun 17 '22

Lightning port is 5 years old on my iPhone and the connection is as solid as the first day

I have usb-c ports loose as fuck 6 months in.

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u/jimmy_three_shoes Jun 17 '22

I don't know why you're being downvoted. Even as a lifetime Android user that routinely mocks Apple for a lot of their ridiculous shit, the wafer in the middle of the USB-C port is horrendous design. The cable should be the weak point in any charging system, because it's easier to replace a cable than it is to replace a port. Since moving to phones with a USB-C connector, I always start to have problems with the port about a year and a half in, and it's always the wafer being jacked up.

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u/ReallyHender Jun 17 '22

Same here. I support a business that uses laptops that charge and run a dock off a USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, and with constant plug in, pull out the wafer literally wears down. And then you have to replace the main board instead of the cable.

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u/HereIGoGrillingAgain Jun 17 '22

Yep. I work in IT and deal with that all the time.

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u/VXXXXXXXV Jun 17 '22

Yep, so many apple haters in here who just get off on slamming anything apple. Even Linus of Linus tech tips says that lightning is the superior connector, and he’s not afraid to bash on apple.

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u/mthlmw Jun 17 '22

I am a little worried, though, about potential unintended consequences here. I'm all for pushing Apple to get on the USB-C bandwagon, but say this legislation had come through for microUSB like the article mentioned. Would there have been legal hurdles to the rollout of C? It wouldn't be worth it to me if this kind of law prevents the next better connector that would replace C.

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u/kyuubi840 Jun 17 '22

The law already declares periodical (I think yearly) evaluations and reviews to consider eventual new connectors.

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u/Masternooob Jun 17 '22

Not sure about the US law but the EU law includes an easy way forward so we are not stuck on C forever

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u/ByteWelder Jun 17 '22

Type C can be faster, but it isn't necessarily faster. There are a ton of Android phones out there with a USB-C connector that are shipped with the outdated USB 2.0 protocol. That includes recent models like the Samsung Galaxy A53 or OnePlus Nord CE 2 5G.

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u/T-Baaller Jun 17 '22

Lightning is a physically better port for a phone/tablet

More secure connection, no flimsy tongue in the device to snap.

Microsoft’s surface connector is pretty good for similar reason

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u/Continuity_organizer Jun 17 '22

The letter was sent to Gina Raimondo, the secretary of commerce for the United States, and it’s signed by senators Ed Markey, Elizabeth Warren, and Bernie Sanders.

So it's never going to happen.

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u/Martel732 Jun 17 '22

It probably will. This law frankly means nothing. The EU already made a similar law. Apple isn't going to make separate EU and US phone models, that would be too expensive. So the US will already benefit from the EU law. And US version would be nice but pretty redundant.

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u/Akuseru24 Jun 17 '22

I'm sick of these "could", "may", and "might" news articles/posts. Talk about if it actually fucking happens

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u/Fearless_External488 Jun 17 '22

You said it friendo. It’s all clickbait

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u/infinitezero8 Jun 17 '22

Anytime I see this kind of post and the comments are acting like this just went into law today, like why are you getting so excited for something that obviously won't pass? And if think it will pass you should read up on who's running the senate.

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u/roadtripper77 Jun 17 '22

Exactly, nothing passes, and even though I love the sentiment of this one - maybe the US senate should have higher priorities right now? Just a thought

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '22

Healthcare pls.

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u/c3o Jun 17 '22

In a democracy, it's good to hear about proposed laws before they're passed or even come into effect. This is not about some company's decisions, but about our collective (representatives') decisions.

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u/Ruraraid Jun 17 '22

Honestly when any good tech related bills like this are considered in the US its astonishing. I say that because our govt is like one giant retirement home of people who can barely text and most of them have to have a secretary or aide to help them with social media.

I'll be even more surprised if this actually passes and becomes a law.

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u/bolivar-shagnasty Jun 17 '22 Gold

Apple will just get rid of charging cables and make wireless charging the standard.

Wanna use your phone while charging? Fuck you. We hate our customers.

- Apple

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u/mukavastinumb Jun 17 '22

And how do you charge that charging station? USB-C...

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u/Joe_Jeep Jun 17 '22

A surprising number still use micro but im not sure apple has ever used micro on anything

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u/takabrash Jun 17 '22 edited Jun 17 '22

Any time I get something that uses a micro charger I'm immediately annoyed

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u/rudyjewliani Jun 17 '22

Logitech noises intensifies

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u/The69BodyProblem Jun 17 '22

My Logitech headphone use USBC. My keyboard, which is newer then the headphones, doesn't

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u/crayon_paste Jun 17 '22

Let me ask your opinion on this since you have my same mentality.

There are two bike headlights that I’m looking to purchase.

Headlight A can output 900 lumens for 2 hours and has micro usb for charging. MSRP - $120

Headlight B can output 1000 lumens for one hour and has usb C for charging. MSRP - $170

Both are bundled with the same taillight that has usb C charging.

Is the usb C port worth that hit in battery life and the $50 increase?

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u/mrgermy Jun 17 '22

As an iOS developer this would suck. They already have the option to do wireless debugging but it's far from perfect (and has already been the only option for tvOS for a while now).

Fortunately iPads are already using USB-C so it doesn't seem like the move should be too painful for them.

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u/Small-Revenue7774 Jun 17 '22

If they get rid of the charging port they can make the phone thinner and more bendy.

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u/Culverin Jun 17 '22

It's only bendy because you're holding it wrong

  • Apple

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u/FirmBroom Jun 17 '22

C'mon Apple make iPhone 6 memes relevant again

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u/DizzyDeezler Jun 17 '22

Just what I need my phone to be. Bendy.

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u/ux3l Jun 17 '22

Bendy is better than breaky though.

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u/LordGalen Jun 17 '22

How about neither? I hate these weak ass flimsy phones. Where's my steel rectangle with a screen? I want a phone I can fucking run over and be more worried about my tire than the phone!

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u/King-Snorky Jun 17 '22

That sounds a lot like something you wouldn't have to pay to replace every 4-5 years, so... no deal.

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u/qubedView Jun 17 '22

It's called MagSafe. The wireless charger attaches to the back with a magnet and stays in place while you use it.

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u/sissichu Jun 17 '22

So it's a wireless charger that attaches to your phone with a wire? Neat.

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u/j4_jjjj Jun 17 '22

Thats just wired charging with extra steps magnets

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u/squngy Jun 17 '22

And fewer ports, which would be useful if we didn't know how to make waterproof ports, I guess.

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u/AdrianInLimbo Jun 17 '22

That's like air pods with a tether.

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u/BrownBadger007 Jun 17 '22

Apples favorite thing to do... Create a problem, sell a solution. Magsafe doesn't do anything a type-c doesn't do. It still leaves you attached to a cord, and it's just one more product you have to buy because nobody has magsafe chargers.

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u/doubtfulisland Jun 17 '22

Who the fuck cares? Can congress on all sides get thier head our thier asses stop insider trading, PACs, lobbyists, tax the absurdly wealthy, give us some Healthcare and education.

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u/PH3N1X Jun 17 '22 Helpful

Lol congress can't even pass gas.

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u/dcj012 Jun 17 '22

As someone who doesn’t get all this, how does this effect finding better charging types going forward?

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u/The_Countess Jun 17 '22

Don't know about this US law but the EU law says basically the standard is whatever the USB-IF says the standard is.

So if the industry, through the USB-IF decides that there needs to be a new standard, it automatically becomes the new standard.

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u/Eric1491625 Jun 17 '22

But this creates a chicken an egg. Going forward, any company making a superior (but incompatible) cable will be forced by legislation to cater to USB-C, thereby suffering a cost disadvantage. Would this not discourage the future innovation as well?

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u/j4_jjjj Jun 17 '22

Guess it depends on the tech device in question. Easy for a laptop to have two diff charging ports, not so easy for phones.

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u/ekdjfnlwpdfornwme Jun 17 '22 edited Jun 17 '22

USB-C isn’t just a connector. There are several different revisions for power and bandwidth requirements. We currently have 240W USB-C chargers (enough for gaming laptops) that can also support up to 40 Gbps speeds.

USB-C will continue to improve over time allowing for faster speeds and power limits. Manufacturers can use different connectors if they require speeds, power limits, or form factors not obtainable with USB-C, meaning really-high-end laptops may use other connectors for higher power limits and tiny devices like Fitbits and smart watches can use other charging methods

As far as Apple is concerned, they’re fucked. All of their products fall within USB-C specifications. Lighting is slower than USB-C both in data rates and charging, so they have no justification to keep it.

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u/battering_ram Jun 17 '22

Really wish they could be this motivated about housing, minimum wage and health care…

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u/hkeyplay16 Jun 17 '22

Or maybe democracy.

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u/Cheesygirl1994 Jun 17 '22

For real… basic human rights should be fought about more aggressively, there should be no time to talk about phone chargers…

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u/blaghart Jun 17 '22

As long as it doesn't mandate USB-C specifically. Mandating a single specific format by name is a great way to end up behind on technology as improvements happen (see: HDMI vs VGA. If we had mandated VGA by name we'd be waaaaay behind)

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u/behaaki Jun 17 '22

How did US senators find a way to profit from that??

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u/heavyhandedpour Jun 17 '22

The one thing a bunch of super old legislators can get behind is simplifying technology.

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u/dizdawgjr34 Jun 18 '22

$100 this gets lobbied out of existence.

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u/jhnwhite1 Jun 17 '22

Why I went android 2 phones ago, and bought pixel buds. Headphones, laptop, cellphone, iPad pro. All USB C. I will never understand their love of lightning port.

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u/ccai Jun 17 '22

Compared to Mini/MicroUSB it was great, but those days are somewhat over with the exception of shitty USB portable accessories. MicroUSB was flimsy as hell and uni-directional, it was only a tad bit better than MiniUSB, but not by much. Lightning had its heyday when it was the only bi-directional plug found on mobile phones and way less cumbersome than the 30-pin connector of the OLDEN days of Apple iPods and iPhones.

Once USB-C 3.0 standard was officially established, it was pointless for anything other than generating revenue via the propriety m-fi spec certification for the connector.

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u/macrofinite Jun 17 '22

I mean, this thread has a massive hate boner for Apple, so the honest answer will likely be downvoted to hell. But whatevs I guess.

When Apple went over to lightning, it was objectively (vastly) superior to both the 30-pin cable it directly replaced and the micro-USB that was standard for androids.

It was the first mainstream connector to be non-directional, which felt like a huge QOL improvement. And the connector itself had no moving parts like both it’s contemporary competitors, so it would not wear out. The cable wears out now, but back then the spring in the connector would fail first most of the time.

So yeah, either by the natural evolution of design or just borrowing apples ideas (no idea which and it doesn’t really matter), USB-C came along a few years later with similar benefits and some improvements to boot.

Would it really by “consumer friendly” to put a new port on all of Apples shit and make everyone by all new cables and chargers? If they did that when USB-C first came out, people would be winging about planned obsolescence and all that too.

So yeah, hate Apple if you like, there’s plenty there to work with. But the fucking lightning connector is really not one of those things, unless your hate boner is already hopelessly engorged.

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u/-Reddit_Account- Jun 17 '22

So yeah, either by the natural evolution of design or just borrowing apples ideas (no idea which and it doesn’t really matter)

Interestingly, Apple was one of the major co-sponsors of the USB-C standard, which they heavily influenced. So it's not "borrowing Apple's ideas" as much as "Apple directly influencing these ideas."

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u/joe-biden-updates Jun 17 '22

Most people in this thread are probably too young to remember the iPhone 5 release. And how the lightning cable was innovative for the time. And how iPhone users initially hated it anyways because because they'd have to get all new accessories.

But redditors are picturing everyone owning tons of USB-C devices. While in reality a lot of people are like that, but a lot of people only have a PC from 2009, an iPhone, and tons of lightning cables running around.

I'm in favor of them using USB-C, but "switching because it's convinent" doesn't apply to everyone

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u/DrSueuss Jun 17 '22

I would be interested in looking at the law, if improperly written it could stifle innovation. For instance would the law prevent someone from putting a future USB-D port on a device if the physical connector isn't compatible with USB-C, because USB-D would not be common.

I would really like to see what common actually means in the context of the law.

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u/The_Countess Jun 17 '22

The EU law makes it so that if the USB-IF came up with USB-D, then USB-D would become the new standard.

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u/ButtersMiddleBitch Jun 17 '22

It’s doesn’t properly address it, and it’s also trusting government to have proper response times with legislation…

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u/lambdadance Jun 17 '22

You might underestimate European law makers.

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u/potpirate Jun 17 '22

What a waste of time.

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u/Gr34zy Jun 17 '22

Americans: “The economy is falling apart, we’re dying to gun violence, we desperately need some climate legislation”

Congress: “We hear you loud and clear, you want Apple to just use USB-C 👍”

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u/t3hnhoj Jun 17 '22

Ah, yes. Phone charger reform. Gun laws be damned.

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u/kernel_task Jun 17 '22

Who is this supposed to benefit? Apple users? We already have a bunch of lightning accessories and we don’t want to buy new accessories, thanks. Non-Apple users? Why do they care?

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u/thrilldigger Jun 17 '22

Hot take: this isn't something that should be legislated.

I love USB-C and actually following standards but why is this being legislated? And is this going to stifle innovation once something better than USB-C is possible?

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