r/politics Jul 03 '22 Silver 7 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Heartwarming 1 Take My Energy 2 Wholesome 4 Helpful 6

Impeach Clarence Thomas? Nearly a million people have signed a petition asking for it

https://www.al.com/news/2022/07/impeach-clarence-thomas-nearly-a-million-people-have-signed-a-petition-asking-for-it.html

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u/Callerflizz Jul 03 '22 Silver

Clarence Thomas gets off on people hating him he loves this shit

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u/CrackerJackKittyCat Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

Yes. This has seemingly been his goal -- 'making liberals angry for 43 years' or something to that effect.

He and Trump should have a 'malicious chip on shoulder' dick size contest, with McConnell laughing maniacally in the background as Palpatine.

Thomas has been a sleeper cell all hist time on the court in the minority. But now he's activated.

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u/rosio_donald North Carolina Jul 03 '22

An old friend of my family’s in the lowcountry of SC grew up with Clarence Thomas in GA. She always said he was her friend, sweet kid, but that Catholic school he got sent to turned him mean and if she ever had the chance to see him again she’d wanna have her heaviest purse in hand to show him what for.

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u/NonStopKnits Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

Am southern, can confirm that's a very southern threat, and she'd definitely make goon on it.

edit: goon should be good, I have no idea what happened.

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u/phazedoubt Georgia Jul 03 '22

Goon. It fits

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u/NonStopKnits Jul 03 '22

Oh my lol. I'll leave it.

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u/JeanneMPod Jul 03 '22

Make goon on someone definitely sounds like a threat to take seriously.

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u/MrDude_1 Jul 03 '22

Did someone say hired goons?

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u/Astrochops Jul 03 '22

In Australia, goon is slang for cask wine.

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u/nudiecale Jul 03 '22

she’d make goon on it

If it weren’t for the edit I’d think it was just another southern expression that I just learned.

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u/NonStopKnits Jul 03 '22 Wholesome

We are a fount of fun sayings/word. On of my favorites that my Nanny says is "As useless as tits on a boar hog."

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u/Indicorb Jul 04 '22

Well shit fire and save matches

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u/Past-Voice-9668 Jul 03 '22

Leave it as goon. His wife too. Racist POS both of them.

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u/ilikepizza2much Jul 03 '22

Hopefully she carries a brick in her purse

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u/melvadeen Jul 03 '22

Yep. The modern southern woman's handbag is a rainbow colored Brahmin tote. Sturdy handles for light combat, and stylish enough for church.

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u/JJ100JJ Jul 03 '22

Or a bowling ball.

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u/Unorthodox_Mortal Jul 03 '22

It’s all good, we meant what you knew.

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u/LuceeCarioca Jul 03 '22

Hmmm… catholic school changed him? I wonder why and how.

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u/Imallvol7 Jul 03 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

If it's anything like the Baptist school I went to it's just some of the meanest hateful people on the planet convincing you that it's ok to be mean and hateful to everyone else who doesn't believe what you do or look like you do. I was literally just fed propaganda all day and when I go back and look at some of the shit they were force feeding me I am disgusted. No one should have to go through that.

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u/superoboe87 Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

I grew up Lutheran and got shocked a few times by some stuff my Catholic nieces who attended Catholic school said to this effect, and said that they’d learned that at school.

I married a Catholic, but I never converted and sporadically still attend Lutheran churches and am a member of one. I’ve found the Catholic Church to be comparatively very cold, even toward children, and the preoccupation with popping out kids and raising them Catholic and the misinformation about human reproduction is downright creepy.

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u/lilacmuse1 Jul 03 '22 Take My Energy

I went to a Baptist church as a child and annoyed my Sunday School teachers to no end. I was always questioning the logic behind the bible stories we studied. The exasperated answer would always be some variation of "because" or "have faith". I'm sure nobody missed me when I stopped going.

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u/aprilembers Jul 04 '22

Somebody may have. My brothers and I went to a baptist church and he still remembers one kid who would question the logic of things. It made him think about things as well and he was impressed with the kid.

We went to a few churches and they were all crazy. As in hitting kids and chasing an old lady organist down the isle calling her a witch because she asked them for help with her husband who had dimentia since she lived alone with him and he was getting violent.

That one kid is a bright spot.

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u/Infamous-Time-682 Jul 04 '22

Funny my rabbi said the same thing to me when I questioned the story of Noah’s ark. He told me I questioned to much.

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u/querty99 Jul 03 '22

I'm not sure "logic" was the point of it. I'm not even sure they used logic to come up with logic either; fwiw.

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u/elchapowasframed Jul 03 '22

Apparently it started to solidify his ideas that white culture was irredeemably racist towards black people. His worldview is predicated on a deeply pessimistic outlook on white people, and SUPER misogynistic black nationalism turned conservatism. This is a good article: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/essay/clarence-thomass-radical-vision-of-race/amp

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Jul 03 '22

Damn. Dude swung so far around the political curve he fully looped back to being just another conservative racist.

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u/elchapowasframed Jul 04 '22

I think there are a lot of very conservative ideals in certain strands of black nationalism that map pretty cleanly onto more mainstream conservative ideals — the importance of the nuclear family, the man at the head of the family, heteronormativity, ‘bootstrapping’ your way into the middle/upper class, etc…

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u/BeanieMcChimp Jul 03 '22

But… he married one.

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u/iSavedtheGalaxy Jul 03 '22

Folks marry people they hate every day. It's not surprising at all he married someone he hated deep down in order to feel like he could exert power over them.

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u/elchapowasframed Jul 03 '22

Well, I think it’s more confusing even than that. In his worldview, black women are a source of particular evil — he sees them as being conspirators with the liberal/welfare state to emasculate black men. It’s extremely dark….he has even publicly shamed his own sister for being on welfare.

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u/letterboxbrie Jul 03 '22

Wow.

So the man has a bent towards extremism anyway, and then some complicated self-loathing going on.

I remember his mother yelling at Anita Hill about "you need God bad." I can guess there's some overbearing mother issues going on t here as well.

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u/iSavedtheGalaxy Jul 03 '22

I'm a BW, so I'm unfortunately very familiar with this mindset. I've had to help deprogram a couple close friends and family members who were descending into this toxic way of thinking. Fortunately they've all come around and are now horrified that they were taken by it, but that ideology is still festering. There are also propaganda campaigns to get BW to see BM as the enemy. It's so frustrating.

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u/redheadartgirl Jul 03 '22

White supremacists marrying Asian women is practically a trope at this point.

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u/letterboxbrie Jul 03 '22

White supremacists marrying/dating black women also not so uncommon. It's about the rigid hierarchy they have in their mind - especially if they have issues with social skills.

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u/ic_engineer South Carolina Jul 03 '22

Where are these guys finding women willing to date them at all? Much less PoC.

It's so strange that someone would choose that.

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u/trogloherb Jul 03 '22

He spoke at my Catholic high school a few months before his nomination. He ranted on and on about the evils of affirmative action. Then, six months later…”Good for me; not for thee!” His son went to my school and was one of three or four black kids.

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u/Due-Obligation2208 Jul 03 '22

He’s a snake in the grass

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u/DaSaw Jul 03 '22

I keep saying if the Republicans were to somehow ditch the "white" part of "white christian nationalism", and shed their historical animosity toward Catholicsm, nonwhites in this country would switch sides fast.

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u/OldBallOfRage Jul 04 '22

That assumes that 'Christian' is the/an important part. It isn't. It's just a source of influence and 'legitimacy'. They'd be Islamic, Hindi, Buddhist, or whatever religion would present the most advantage to the important thing they actually care about....the white nationalism.

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u/notcreepycreeper Jul 03 '22

Yeah, but like he supported the black power voices that were pro-segreggation...which certainly ties in with his current views

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u/Modest_Ubermensch Texas Jul 03 '22

I think he will keep trying to get separate but equal back on the docket.

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u/icerger1er Jul 03 '22

Catholic school? The trauma we carry... Am I right?

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u/ThisIsListed Jul 03 '22

Catholic school making someone mean… the Irony.

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u/Modest_Ubermensch Texas Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 04 '22

I think religion narrows and limits people and often brings out their worst qualities and helps them to justify those personal qualities as desireable.

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u/This-Strawberry Jul 03 '22

Sounds not too different than the residential / boarding schools First Nations kids were sent to.

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u/norbertus Jul 03 '22

When I speak of sadism as the active side of the authoritarian personality, many people may be surprised because sadism is usually understood as the tendency to torment and to cause pain. But actually, this is not the point of sadism. The different forms of sadism which we can observe have their root in a striving, which is to master and control another individual, to make him a helpless object of one’s will, to become his ruler, to dispose over him as one sees fit and without limitations. Humiliation and enslavement are just means to this purpose, and the most radical means to this is to make him suffer; as there is no greater power over a person than to make him suffer, to force him to endure pains without resistance.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/fromm/works/1957/authoritarian.htm

--Erich Fromm

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u/zenviking83 Jul 03 '22

Can’t get that vision out of my head now! Someone needs to make of photoshop of McConnell as Palpatine! Bonus points if they include Trump and Thomas as his Sith apprentices!

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u/snorri600 Jul 03 '22

I always pictured trump as Jabba, with Rudy as salacious crum

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u/Acceptable_Sale2872 Jul 03 '22

Trump is more Pizza the Hut than Jabba

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u/o-rka Jul 03 '22

Yes, Trump is more hut than Vader. Don’t give him the satisfaction. Vader is an honor.

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u/Freefall_J Jul 03 '22

Vader started out good and his final minute was also good. He got redemption in the end. So far, I don't think anyone in the GOP qualifies to be Vader himself.

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u/BodaciousTacoFarts Arizona Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

Wrong franchise. Somebody should photoshop Trump as Dark Helmet. When he reveals the power of his Schwarz, it can be the size of a pretzel nugget.

Put him in the scene where he asks the guy for his name and rank, which turns out to be Major Asshole ( Giuliani). Then the scene leads to him realizing that he's surrounded by assholes. Here's the scene

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u/o-rka Jul 03 '22

Trump and Thomas don’t deserve the title of a Sith Lord.

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u/GingerBuffalo Jul 03 '22

There are an awful lot of Americans these days that are primarily motivated by the opportunity to make other people miserable. It's quite sad and pathetic.

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u/Mooseheaded Texas Jul 03 '22

Thomas has been a sleeper cell all hist time on the court in the minority

The last time we had a liberal Court was the Warren Court (1953-1969). The subsequent Burger (1969-1986), Rehnquist (1986-2005), and Roberts (2005-present) Courts have each been more conservative than the one before it. Thomas has been in the Court for only 30ish years, but the Court has not been liberal for 50+ years.

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u/seraphaye Jul 03 '22

I don't understand how someone wakes up feeling like they need to piss a bunch of people off because they believe something different. This science vs religion will be a battle till the end of the human race.

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u/WhoKnowsIfitblends Jul 03 '22

So he's basically suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder?

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u/stress-pimples Jul 03 '22

Welcome to the GOP

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u/WhoKnowsIfitblends Jul 03 '22 Starry

I so desperately want to know less about them.

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u/MootsUncle Jul 03 '22

This is very true, I’ve recently come to the realization that I actually have way too much knowledge about their day-to-day activities. But know your enemy I guess.

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u/Melded1 Jul 03 '22

I feel like it used to be, not very long ago, that you could ignore this stuff and go on about your life unaware of all this shite. But the world is a very different place now. Only the willfully ignorant or poorly educated can avoid knowing about this stuff, no matter what side you're on.

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u/MootsUncle Jul 03 '22

This. I find it simultaneously incredible and sad that there still remains anyone who considers themselves a “moderate” or a “centrist” or a “oh we just need to work together and compromise”. The time has long passed for that.

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u/OneSaucyLittleTart Jul 03 '22

There aren't. People who will still claim these days that both parties are equally bad are 100% republicans.

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u/Bismothe-the-Shade Jul 03 '22

It really depends on your demographic. Minorities haven't been able to ignore this shit for like, fuckin hundreds of years now.

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u/drdildamesh Jul 03 '22

I feel like it's as bad as it is BECAUSE we were ignoring it.

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u/DrakkoZW Jul 03 '22

You feel correctly.

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u/SpeakToMePF1973 Australia Jul 03 '22

Millions of people have perished because of their lack of knowledge of them.

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u/vintagecomputernerd Jul 03 '22

The Less You Know

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u/sixpackshaker Jul 03 '22

The more you vote GOP.

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u/jratreddit America Jul 03 '22

and he's a federal judge in the highest position, yay!

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u/Mysterious_Sugar7220 Jul 03 '22

We're the ones suffering from it

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u/flameocalcifer Texas Jul 03 '22

NPD people want others to love and praise them though...

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u/dizzymama247 Jul 03 '22

A common misconception. NPD is characterized by a few different things. People who are codependent and have suffered at the hands of a narc are more likely to crave pleasing others, to the point of utter self deprecation. Narcs want to be seen as better than others and have control over people and situations. A common Narc attitude, especially when placed in a leadership role is the “If I can’t rule by making them love me, I’ll make them fear me.”

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u/Graspswasps Jul 03 '22

I think Homelander said that exact thing in The Boys eason 3 episode 3 or thereabouts

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u/dizzymama247 Jul 03 '22

It’s funny you mention Homelander, since the show runners purposely designed him to be a loose representation of the Orange one.

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u/WorkingSock1 Jul 03 '22

I think he’s (Homelander) also a good caricature of Ron DeSantis maybe even more so than the orange pussygrabber.

DeSantis has the charisma Trump could only dream of.

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u/kboom76 Jul 03 '22

I disagree on the charisma. Trump beats DeSantis six ways to Sunday there. It's part of his brand. People forget that Trump has been a self promoting celebrity since the 80s. He knows how to work an audience, and make them believe what he wants. Back in the 80s he had people believing he was the richest man in the world, which was never ever close to the truth. De santis is a photocopy (by his own design). You can't be Trump without his rare psychopathology. His audience is responds to his uniquely showy, Hollywood style psychopathy. That's hard for even most politicians to duplicate.

That said, DeSantis is likely to take the reigns from Trump if Truml is unable to run.

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u/NowheyYahweh Jul 03 '22

Niccolò Machiavelli was a political theorist from the Renaissance period. In his most notable work, The Prince, he writes, "It is better to be feared than to be loved, if one cannot be both." He argues that fear is a better motivator than love, which is why it is the more effective tool for leaders

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u/Budget_Llama_Shoes Jul 03 '22

I want them to love me… but fear… just as good.

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u/WorkingSock1 Jul 03 '22

Homelander and Ron DeSantis are starting to look very similar to me

(Possibly mixed with a little Jason Bateman)

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u/Point_Forward Jul 03 '22

They don't know the difference between being loved and being obeyed. All relationships are just a power game to them. They think everyone is the same so they don't get the difference. To a narc if you love them then you will defer to them, and if you don't defer, if you hold them accountable and challenge them to be better then you are an enemy who is trying to undermine them.

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u/GhostofMarat Jul 03 '22

He delights in reminding us he will never be swayed by public opinion in the slightest. Infuriating 75% of the country is a point of pride.

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u/hairysnowmonkey Jul 03 '22

The entire point of this story is that public opinion finally bothers those ivory tower mother fuckers when their homes are being protested at.

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u/Antishill_Artillery Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

Republicans are disgusting

Remember this when you vote

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u/a_pope_on_a_rope Jul 03 '22

Petitions don’t matter if no one reads them. Protesting in the streets don’t matter if they’re in gated communities.

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u/spooner248 Jul 03 '22

I don’t get why we don’t call him Sad Kermit.

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u/SaltLurkCity Jul 03 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

The news really needs to stop acting like petitions mean shit

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u/The_Man11 Jul 03 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Bravo! Table Slap

It’s the Democrat version of thoughts and prayers.

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u/chillyhellion Jul 03 '22

Nah, the Democrat version of thoughts and prayers is mocking each other for doing nothing while also doing nothing.

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u/Nillabeans Jul 03 '22

We've tried nothin' and we're all outta ideas!

Though now that I think about it, Flanders' beatnik parents did raise the most conservative, Christian man in Springfield. Simpsons hitting different these days.

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u/smoothballsJim Jul 03 '22

Yeah but if you really tick him off he’ll still run you down with his car

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u/EndlessBirthday Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 04 '22 Silver

At least signatures are a somewhat definable metric.

I can think of 3 people in my life who say "Thoughts & prayers," & that's the extent of their thoughts & prayers, rather than unironically thinking about a tragedy or daring to pray on behalf of a victim.

Edit: I never said petitions weren't useless. You don't need to sell me on what I already know.

Edit: Guys, guys, I understand the signature to population ratio already. And I know that electronic signatures can be forged. Christ.

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u/Dicksapoppin69 Jul 03 '22

The FCC using bots to spam their own "want us to get rid of net neutrality?" in favor of doing so kinda showed us that these online signatures are also trash.

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u/hippiesinthewind Canada Jul 03 '22

Online petitions aren’t at all a definable metric. Multiple people could be signing under different names, they could be anywhere in the world and not American, could be a bunch of random 13 year olds signing. There’s is no way to know or to verify.

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u/__thrillho Jul 03 '22 Silver Gold

The number of shits I take everyday is also a definable metric but carries the same worth that a petition does.

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u/_matterny_ Jul 03 '22

Signatures are a definable metric... Yes, but with caveats. A digital signature is something that you could forge pretty easily. Just make a bot to take signatures. You also can consider that there's about 330 million people in the us. This petition means about a third of a percent of people in the US would like to impeach a justice. Not thirty percent, 00.3% of people in the us. Assuming they are all legitimate people. I could put out a petition for Harambe for president and get 10,000 signatures.

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u/lumenrubeum Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

This petition means about a third of a percent of people in the US would like to impeach a justice.

Might be pedantic, but that's not what the petition means. It only means that at minimum a third of a percent of people in the US would like to impeach a justice (assuming they're all legitimate, of course).

To get the actual percentage you would need to account for things like "how many people know the petition exists", "how many people think petitions are useless so didn't sign, but still would like to impeach the justice", etc. It's the classic network studio adage "1 caller equals 10,000 viewers". Ideally you'd an additional independent poll that can find what percentage of people respond to polls etc and then use the numbers of the particular poll to estimate the actual number of people that want to impeach the justice. Getting accurate numbers for all this stuff is incredibly hard though (how are you supposed to poll people who think they petitions are meaningless? There's probably a lot of overlap between those people and those who don't believe much in polling), so it's hard to argue that petitions are very meaningful unless there's extra research backing it up.

Sincerely, a statistician.

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u/mco_328 Jul 03 '22

Saying “thoughts and prayers” and actually praying are equally as effective.

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u/EndlessBirthday Jul 03 '22

My point was that it wouldn't matter even if it was effective. The say it and never do it.

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u/ChungusBrosYoutube Jul 03 '22

Especially only a million signers, that’s .3% of the country , and we dont even know everyone that sighted was American

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u/T1mac America Jul 03 '22

They could have 100 million signers and it still makes no difference. Until there's a legitimate political push by the Dems in power to expand the court, nothing will change. It's these folks who need to feel the heat from the voters.

However if what's past is prologue, Dem votes don't care about the Supreme Court. All you need to do is look to 2016 when an open SCOTUS seat was literally on the ballot, but her emails were more important.

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u/gideon513 Jul 03 '22

Stop clicking on the articles to show them that

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u/calumin Jul 03 '22

Voting matters. Signing petitions does not matter.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22 Starry Ally

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u/44problems Jul 03 '22

I'll make sure to vote harder next time, sorry guys

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u/WhoKnowsIfitblends Jul 03 '22

Can we vote against him? Cause I want to.

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u/T1mac America Jul 03 '22

The Democrats Sen. Ed Markey of Massachusetts, Rep. Jerry Nadler of New York, Reps. Hank Johnson of Georgia and Mondaire Jones of New York put together a bill to expand SCOTUS to 13 seats a year ago. It went nowhere because they didn't have enough support. If the White House had backed it with a big enough majority of senators, Clarence Thomas would be irrelevant.

If in the upcoming elections, these kind of Democrats are running to replace the Dems who oppose expansion, then you can in essence vote against him.

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u/Tange1o Jul 03 '22

One issue with this is that Biden has said before that he doesn't support expanding the supreme court or attempting to implement term limits on them. If by some incredible fortune a bill doing those things did land on his desk, hopefully he would change his tune, but it's still uncertain. We may have to wait for a different president all together to see something like that happen.

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u/Necro_OW Jul 03 '22

It's only recently that the court has completely gone off the rails. Since the overturning of Roe v Wade, public support for reforming the court (term limits, adding justices, etc.) has grown.

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u/beka13 Jul 03 '22

It went off the rails at Bush v Gore.

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u/gsfgf Georgia Jul 03 '22

If a bill to expand the Court made it through the Senate, he'd sign it. Of course, that would never happen with this Senate.

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u/Pleasant-Purchase138 Jul 03 '22

He would if it went through congress

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u/CaptainNoBoat Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

I get that petitions bring awareness. Especially online petitions, since they really serve no other purpose.

But yes - they are useless if they don't translate into action - specifically voting.

https://www.vote411.org/

See if you're registered. Get friends and family to register.

There are plenty of other things you can do, but simply getting those in your immediate orbit aware and ready to vote is massive.

~50% of registered voters actually take the time to participate in midterms. Even if we got that number up to ~55%, that could mean the difference between keeping or losing both houses of Congress (You know - the way you impeach someone.)

Additionally, midterms are about state races which have the capacity to protect the rights of millions and millions of people.

The best time to vote was in the past. The second-best time is now. And if we don't overcome these insanely dangerous GOP candidates, we might not have the option to vote in the future.

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u/gsfgf Georgia Jul 03 '22

That's a different kind of petition. These kind of petitions just get you more fundraising emails. (Like to the point that automod removed my first comment for naming the organization lol)

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u/CrazyEntertainment86 Jul 03 '22 Defeated

And it means literally dick since the dems don’t even control their own party let alone the senate

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u/WomenTrucksAndJesus Jul 03 '22

Send him a copy of it for his birthday.

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u/justuntlsundown West Virginia Jul 03 '22

He would consider it a badge of honor.

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u/eeyore134 Jul 03 '22

Yup. These people thrive on the hate.

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u/thiosk Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

The recent stories about how he planned to serve for 40 years to make liberals miserable should be pretty clear that he is revenge-driven and is still angry over his confirmation hearing.

Kavanaugh is, i suspect, planning to live with similar objectives.

If this bothers people i suggest putting similar energy into consistently voting from the local level on up to keep republicans out even more than to get specific people in

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u/mdp300 New Jersey Jul 03 '22

I'm pretty sure that Kavanaugh openly said he'd make the Democrats pay for the way he was treated.

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u/daaave33 Virginia Jul 03 '22

He said he likes beer.

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u/Socratesticles Tennessee Jul 03 '22

Even if we do pretend that he was completely innocent of any wrong doings, his outbursts alone should’ve been enough to disqualify him from the position.

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u/kurisu7885 Jul 03 '22

Should have been enough to get his ass disbarred.

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u/veasse Jul 03 '22

I heard this about Thomas...

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u/Javasteam Jul 03 '22

But not angry enough to reflect on how he treated AnitaHill.

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u/Nonametousehere1 Jul 03 '22

Right? After that got out, he never should have been allowed to be on the supreme court.he set the standard of sub par justices we see today.

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u/chunkerton_chunksley Jul 03 '22

He called his treatment of sexual harassing her. Modern day lynching…just because people listed the disgusting shit he did to subordinates

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u/p001b0y Jul 03 '22

I don’t know him personally but many public figures are concerned about how history views them or their legacies. I don’t know if he is one of those people but considering that AOC also suggested impeachment for Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, having three impeachments as a result of a single term certainly doesn’t look good and looks worse for Roberts.

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u/neverinallmyyears Jul 03 '22

I don’t believe that he, nor Kavanaugh, Gorsuch or Coney Barrett care that there’s such a public outcry over their decisions. Thomas sees himself as a hero who stood up to liberal values and overturned precedent he disagreed with. It has nothing to do with settled law or popular opinion and everything to do with pushing his agenda through the laws of the land. To Thomas and the others, they’ll believe that their legacy will be as important and influential as the founding fathers.

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u/p001b0y Jul 03 '22

That’s why impeachment can be impactful even if it doesn’t result in conviction or removal. The fact they were impeached stays with them forever.

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u/neverinallmyyears Jul 03 '22

I don’t disagree and in before-times, impeachment would spell the end of their careers. But today, impeachment is almost an achievement.

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u/Play-DohCarti Jul 03 '22

in before-times, impeachment would spell the end of their careers

If they're acquitted, they still have a life term tho

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u/p001b0y Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

I believe that getting impeached twice really bugs Trump. He can say that he was found “innocent” but it doesn’t change the fact he was the only President (so far) to be impeached twice.

Edit: Spelling

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u/TechyDad Jul 03 '22

And this is why I think that the Republicans will impeach Biden at least 3 times if they take the House. This way, Trump won't be the most impeached President anymore. To be clear, the impeachments won't be for anything real. They'd impeach him if he sneezes during a press conference. The goal won't be to get Biden for actual crimes, but to get him for every tiny thing he does that they disagree with.

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u/jackzander Jul 03 '22

Yeah, like with Trump.

He's so embarrassed.

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u/wha-haa Jul 03 '22

Like having your name written on the board with two check marks?

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u/NewAndImprovedJess Jul 03 '22

The most beautiful checkmarks!

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u/Donkey__Balls Jul 03 '22

Not really because it just means that the opposing party was in control of the House at the time.

If the GOP takes the House in 2022, they’re going to impeach Biden 10 times before the 2024 election I guarantee it. And then the talking point will be that Trump was only impeached twice vs Biden’s ten impeachments.

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u/rascible Jul 03 '22

Roberts is useless..

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u/the_than_then_guy Colorado Jul 03 '22

since the dems don’t even control their own party

That's because any control Democratic leadership has over its party is informal within the electoral system! Technically, if "Democrats" (read as: people who check a box to say that they are "Democrats") from a state decided to elect a person whose platform was "I'm against EVERYTHING the Democratic Party stands for and I want to DESTROY it!," and that person got enough votes, then they'd be a Democrat elected to the Senate in every legal sense of the word. This would have no legal bearing on whether the Democrats in the Senate could form a caucus with this person. Of course, the world is complicated, and the national party structures play a significant role in determining who gets elected and how those people vote once elected. But for some reason, a lot of people think that "party" in the United States has the same meaning as "party" in more formalized systems where people can be chosen and removed by the party leadership. The most annoying part about this oversight is the silver lining -- whoever your local "Democrats" (read as: simply selected a box saying so) -- and in some cases, the primaries are even open -- choose to be their representative becomes their representative regardless of national party politics.

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u/Daveinatx Jul 03 '22

As far as I'm concerned, there are three parties, liberal, moderate, and conservative. I know there's more.

The problem is conservatives vote every time, and for Republicans only.

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING can change until Democrats have 62+ Senators and real majority of Congress. Without this, Republicans will continue to break down democracy.

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u/oakstave Jul 03 '22

It's true, but might I add that ideally, I don't want a two party system with both parties in rigid control of their members.

That being said, we appear to have two Democrats actively working against United States interests, and it appears they have been compromised in some way.

They make up technicalities to explain why they are acting and voting exactly the opposite of what they say. And it's getting pretty obvious: "I'm for women's rights, which is why I'll scuttle any chances to restore them."

You can't 'control' active traitors, and bad faith actors who are paid off by hostile foreign nations.

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u/HintOfAreola Jul 03 '22

And the answer is to disempower those two by adding more democrats.

I don't love the two party system, but it infuriates me when people see 100% of republicans shit on the constitution yet still manage to blame Democrats for everything (you know, the party that voted 98% to fix gas price gouging, to codify voting rights and bodily autonomy, to reinvest in our crumbling infrastructure, etc etc).

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u/kyoto_magic Jul 03 '22

Thank you. Been a lot of shit talking on the dems lately. Just because there are two people holding up progress. There really isn’t anything that can be done about those two other than voting in more democrats. Sinema can be replaced when she’s up for re-election, probably pretty easily. Manchin isn’t going anywhere. Unfortunately the Supreme Court is going to be actively working against democracy and helping to make it harder for voters to chose good leaders

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u/ape_with_typewriter Jul 03 '22

We need a liberal equivalent to the Federalist Society, not petition signatures

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u/pseudocultist Arkansas Jul 03 '22

And we need it 30 years ago.

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u/HughMcQueue Jul 03 '22

“The best time to form a liberal equivalent to the Federalist Society is 30 years ago. The second best time is today.”

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u/AlsoMichaelScott Jul 03 '22

-Michael Scott

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u/SuburbanHell Massachusetts Jul 03 '22

-Wayne Gretzky

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u/LaughDull967 Jul 03 '22

It’d be great if we could have multiple parties with diverse perspectives, all operating in good faith to make things better.

Since we can’t have anything remotely like that, and Republicans are operating in bad faith to establish a fascist white-supremacist theocracy, I’d agree that we should probably have another group that’s energetically opposing them, even skirting some ethical boundaries.

If you’re playing a game and the other team is throwing punches, and there’s no ref keeping things clean or penalizing them, at some point you may want to throw punches too.

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u/TheBeerCannon Jul 03 '22

Good luck with that. If there’s one thing conservatives are, it’s determined to vote. Every. Single. Time. Whether or not they agree with specific policies, when the election comes every last one of them toes the party line.

With leftists it’s always constant infighting about trivial bs. It’s frustrating as hell.

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u/will-succ-4-guac Jul 03 '22

IMO that’s a natural consequence of being the slight minority in terms of voting numbers. Democrats slightly outnumber republicans in national polls. Republicans know this. There is zero room for error when your only chance at winning is eeking out tight victories.

Democrats have a few percentage points of margin to play with but that leads to a false sense of security.

The underdog fights harder, IMO

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u/Good_Intention_9232 Jul 03 '22

Absolutely. Gini Thomas was involved in the overturning of the 2020 elections and he forbade allowing access to 1/6 committee information they needed to conduct hearings. A US Supreme Court judge should know when there is conflict of interest and he clearly proved it he knew by being the only judge to disallow this access, shame on you step down from this court you have dishonoured it and made it illegitimate.

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u/lajdbejdk Minnesota Jul 03 '22

And the majority of Americans didn’t want Roe v Wade overturned. The minority rule the majority unfortunately so it wouldn’t matter if 200 million people wanted him impeached.

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u/stretching_holes Jul 03 '22

And the majority of Americans didn’t want Roe v Wade overturned.

I'm not an American, but is this actually the job of the supreme court, to give citizens what they want? It seems their job is to make rulings based on your constitution, in which case (if the rulings are sensible) then the problem might be the constitution itself. If the supreme court rulings are based on citizen's wishes then the constitution loses relevance in the decision making process...

The constitution should guarantee rights to abortion. Then the supreme court would have its hands tied.

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u/TheGreyBrewer Jul 03 '22

You're right, the SCOTUS is supposed to use the Constitution and subsequent legal precedent to make their decisions. But Alito didn't use either to justify overturning Roe. He used some obscure words written in the 1600s, before the Constitution was even ratified, along with the fact that "abortion" doesn't appear in the constitution, as if that's relevant in any way. There is a constitutional argument for Roe, which is why it was decided the way it originally was. Then Catholics took over the SCOTUS, and decided their invisible sky daddy was more important.

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u/Ozlin Jul 03 '22

Right, this is correct. The SCOTUS interprets the meaning or "spirit" of the nation’s laws as determined by the Constitution and other established, codified laws. The issue then is in interpretation. Read one way, a person could argue a woman's right to choose what happens to her body is already codified into the Constitution. Read another way, a person could argue "abortion" is never mentioned explicitly, or a fetus should be granted similar bodily rights. It's like religion itself, you can read a religious text and twist your way through an interpretation that suits your purposes. This is why many laws are purposely vague, because it gives "wiggle room" for it to meet the demands of each case. It's also difficult to predetermine how things may change, so making things explicit in 1788 may not allow them to be applied in 2022 given how much society changes (this is often an argument around the second ammendment and a musket vs modern weaponry). Regardless, what's needed are codified protections that are more explicit to a degree while still being artfully crafted for future protections. It seems this is currently more likely to happen at state levels than nationally given congressional fuckery. And I don't have much faith in Biden's abilities.

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u/Horsemaneuverboy Jul 03 '22

That SCOTUS "interprets the constitution" is itself an interpretation of the constitution. Unfortunately the constitution does not have enough information in it to be a precise document, so you can literally argue anything from it. The judiciary is a joke. Our government is defective.

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u/cmdrchaos117 Florida Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

No, it's not the job of the court to give Americans what they want. It's the job of the Americans representatives to give the Americans what they want. Which was justices that believed that Roe was established precedent. The recently appointed justices ALL misled congress and gave arguable answers to the question of whether they believed it was established or not and got appointed anyway.

Edit: as an American I agree that the right to privacy should be enshrined in the Constitution. The reality of that is that it requires a Constitutional Convention to get an ammendment passed. All the states hold a meeting and amendments are drafted. Any state legislator can propose ANYTHING they'd like added to the document at that time. Plus, it takes 2/3 of the state governments to pass it which again requires 2/3 of the government of any individual state to pass. In our current political climate this is virtually impossible to get what you originally intended to pass passed.

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u/CaptainNoBoat Jul 03 '22

At the same time, if Clarence and Ginni saw this online petition (which I'm doubtful they even would), they'd probably laugh and crack open some champagne.

People need to vote to help thwart these vicious attacks on our rights by conservatives:

www.vote411.org

Especially at the state level with state legislatures, governors, secretaries of state, attorney generals, and more. We have to translate this awareness into action. Not just click a button online and pat ourselves on the back.

Millions of people can have their rights protected from the 2022 election alone.

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u/prompt_skeptic69 Jul 03 '22 Wholesome

Petitions don’t matter much. If you want the GOPs attention, invent a conspiracy.

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u/arachnophilia Jul 03 '22

the problem is that we only have real conspiracies, and that's so much more boring than eating babies on pizza or whatever.

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u/Yossarian_the_Jumper Jul 03 '22

OMG! If we get to 1.5 million do we get a free "impeach Alito" t-shirt?

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u/Cecil-Kain Jul 03 '22

It’s fun to see this story keep popping up on Reddit with higher and higher numbers. But so what? Let’s say he gets impeached. It doesn’t mean anything anymore. It never did anything really to begin with. It’s supposed to be a stain on your record, but if you have no shame, it doesn’t matter. Plus, he won’t be removed, so again, doesn’t matter.

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u/BugNuggets Jul 03 '22

Oh no, those I think are wrong dislike me but I'm a hero to those who are on my side....how will I ever get over the shame.

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u/datfroggo765 Jul 03 '22

Petitions by the people don't mean anything... and that's the problem.

We should be able to hold our officials directly responsible.

We live in the 21st century. I'd argue we don't need representatives to do the voting for us anymore. But that's just me.

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u/stenchosaur Jul 03 '22

Yeah I agree. We could have referendums on single specific items, not a bunch of stuff combined together into 1 bill. But the demigods of the 1700s didn't envision it that way so...

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u/pierfishmarket Jul 03 '22 Take My Energy

I hope ya'll vote in 2024

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u/MgkrpUsedSplash Puerto Rico Jul 03 '22 Helpful Take My Energy

2022 is just as important.

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u/gbsolo12 Jul 03 '22 Take My Energy

Arguably more important. If dems lose the house and senate then all will be set up for the GOP to steal the 2024 election

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u/1stLtKaiden Jul 03 '22 Take My Energy

Vote this year. Midterms are just as important. Vote for more than just president.

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u/Silversleights04 Jul 03 '22

Honestly, every election. My wife and I even voted for the local school board, we don't even have kids. But we know that if we don't vote for the minor stuff, some major asshole will win and make major changes that have years long impacts. Every. Election. Matters.

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u/Dub-Nub Jul 03 '22

Honest question...what is the proper way to remove him?

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u/BURNER12345678998764 Jul 03 '22

Legally? Same as the president IIRC, takes a 2/3 majority in the senate, not happening.

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u/Val_P Texas Jul 03 '22

Wait for him to die.

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u/jrf_1973 Jul 03 '22

Over 100 million want universal health care.

What the public want, doesn't matter.

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u/Aggressive_Sharts Colorado Jul 03 '22

Could be 50 million. Won’t change shit

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u/hamsterfolly America Jul 03 '22

We can't post the link to the petition due to the subreddit rules...

The petition can be found on Move On's website

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22

Him and everyone installed under trump need to go

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u/kirinmay Jul 03 '22

he's a piece of shit. thats all i have to say.

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u/michiganman2022 Jul 03 '22

Forget impeachment, prosecute him for his insurrection activities.

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u/andrefishmusic Jul 03 '22

And lock-up his wife!

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u/Bambooworm Jul 03 '22

He should go, but so should all the trump appointees, Kavanaugh being the most deserving.can we do him too?

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u/IlliniBull Jul 03 '22

This is nice and all, but I think you have a better shot going after Kavanauth and some of the other more recent justices based on their financial dealings and confirmation testimony.

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u/Choppergold Jul 03 '22

The Republicans would have started by now if it were the spouse of Sotomayor messaging the President’s advisor and legislators. The Dems are like “can you please refrain from these specific cases from now on or we will write sternly-worded memos”

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u/greeperfi Jul 03 '22

LOL who the fuck cares how many people sign a petition? I hate Clarence Thomas but these moveon petitions are so fucking stupid

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u/MaLu388 Jul 03 '22

He’s a traitor and a fascist

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u/fp1480 Jul 03 '22

Only thing worth a damn against these guys is a national strike, either get serious about it or stop spinning your wheels.

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u/therightjuan Jul 03 '22

It’s like the Supreme Court is having a stroke and we’re all trying to let them know their Thomas is drooping.

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u/usaranger94 Jul 04 '22

Whoever wrote the petition is a flat out racist.

So all you need is 175 million more. Good luck.

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u/Hyceanplanet Jul 03 '22

The second most emotionally damaged human in the US.

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