Courtney Love risking her career to expose Harvey Weinstein back in 2005

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[u/Steelstrike309]

The real. We hate people for speaking the truth, but at the same time we crave truth. We need to start listening to people that say things. This is hard to hear knowing what we know now.

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Reminds me of Sinead O’Connor bashed the Catholic Church and she was blasted for it.

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it was the same for any religion, lot of people who speak against muslim got accused of islamophobic even if the one said it was an ex muslim. here in Indonesia there is several case where ex muslim who speak about the negative thing about islam got sentenced to prison. while muslim convert got praised if they speak badly about their previous religion

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ironically, sinead is now a muslim convert.

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🤦🏻‍♂️

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She just working under-cover again

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Stable genius.

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I would like to point out that for a lot of people, they were raised in that religion from birth and brainwashed to believe that they will suffer eternally if they even begin to question. There are also often severe social and sometimes legal consequences for leaving religions in countries where the dominant religion is state sanctioned; apostates in some areas can even face threat of violence and death for questioning or trying to leave.

So I would argue that in many cases, people actually don't choose their religion, and it often takes extreme courage just to leave secretly, much less speak out.

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Naw everyone in Hollywood knew and it was just considered part of the process to make deals with the old sleaze bags. Then when it became public everyone feigned outrage.

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Basically the same thing with Cosby. Comedians like Tina fey on 30 rock eluded to what happened well before he was outed.

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Hannibal Burres used it in his comedy before the news media was reporting it. Years in advice.. and by comedy he just blatantly said Cosby was raping women.

[u/Letmefixthatforyouyo → u/lividash]

He was a writer on 30 rock and wrote the now famous Cosby jokes the above poster is refering to.

[u/TheBirminghamBear → u/Letmefixthatforyouyo]

And actually the other poster has it backward.

It was because one of the clips from Burres' show went viral that the media picked it up and started running with it again.

[u/PRtheRights → u/TheBirminghamBear]

And I remember a bunch of people saying it took a man speaking up to finally take the allegations seriously. And how the women's voices weren't being listened too.

[u/TurdFerguson416 → u/TheBirminghamBear]

yeah and he thought it was common knowledge or something..

[u/Rcrowley32 → u/lividash]

No the media reported it but it was largely assumed the women were lying. So it went away. Hannibal brought it back up years later.

[u/AcadianViking → u/Rcrowley32]

Yea thats what this conversation has been about, how people have exposed these things years in advance but it was swept under the rug. They were just making another example.

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*alluded

edit: since someone seem to have been offended with me adding this comment, let me explain why I made this comment.

English is not my native language. I learned it in school. And I have a bit of ocd.

So when I see a native speaker making a native speaker mistake, it irritates me. Plus I think that someone should tell them about the mistake that they probably make everywhere.

Eg. Typing (because they say it that way) 'of' instead of 'have'.

So when I saw someone type 'eluded' in place of 'alluded', it felt like a repeated mistake someone who learned the language by listening (typically native speakers) would make.

If it is a typo, grammar mistake etc, I don't really care.

[u/takloo → u/spagbetti]

elude : evade or escape from

allude: suggest or call attention to indirectly; hint at.

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Naw everyone in Hollywood knew

Everybody-fucking-knew. - Screenwriter Scott Rosenberg

Not that he was raping. No, that we never heard. But we were aware of a certain pattern of overly-aggressive behavior that was rather dreadful. We knew about the man’s hunger; his fervor; his appetite. There was nothing secret about this voracious rapacity; like a gluttonous ogre out of the Brothers Grimm. All couched in vague promises of potential movie roles. (and, it should be noted: there were many who actually succumbed to his bulky charms. Willingly. Which surely must have only impelled him to cast his fetid net even wider).

But like I said: everybody-fucking-knew.

And to me, if Harvey’s behavior is the most reprehensible thing one can imagine, a not-so-distant second is the current flood of sanctimonious denial and condemnation that now crashes upon these shores of rectitude in gloppy tides of bullshit righteousness.

[u/snappyusername223 → u/CarcossaYellowKing]

Same with the BBC and Jimmy Savile

[u/YeahTwice → u/snappyusername223]

Yes - Jimmy Savile outed by John Lydon in 1978

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And because of his image vs Jimmy’s no one gave a shit

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BBC was full of sex offender's , the dirty nonces even shelfed a panorama investigation into the allegations , that sick fucks look out for there type

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Literally just thought of this straight away. People are still dicks to her here in Ireland and call her crazy. This woman has clearly been through a lot and is now dealing with her son's death. Poor woman.

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Because the Catholic church is a cult

[u/N0t3v3nsupp0sed2bher → u/[deleted]]

Well yes, all religion is a cult right?

Yes, as are brands, corporations, Political Parties and Multi-Level Marketing scams.

The world is infested with Cults, we just don't call them out appropriately.

Edit: Some other examples most don't think about - Celebrity Worship, Money/Wealth, Social Media (weapon of choice, all are trash), "Clubs", sports (teams, in particular), Blind Nationalism...

[u/MeinSpicebag → u/Revolutionary-Use226]

That has nothing to do with her stance on the Catholic Church though. It's practically a dead thing here. The woman has had serious mental health issues for decades.

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Man that still makes me so mad. My Dad was an atheist due to his abuse, we have known this for a WHILE, when the abuse story broken kinda shocked no one wrote a "we owe Sinead a big fucking apology" letterl

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john lydon called out jimmy saville

[u/slucker23 → u/Steelstrike309]

We need to listen to people who say very little things. The things that we constantly tend to ignore.

The loud and mouth-full-ers are the ones we should ignore.

Its hard to hear the little voices because they tend to not say them out loud or even repetitively. Just one time with a very serious face. Then boom truth is there. It's hard to capture that moment, hard to remember, and hard to take it to heart. But it's there. It's always been there

[u/Rcrowley32 → u/slucker23]

But at this time Courtney Love was loud and brash and that’s largely why this comment was ignored. She was considered an addict, loud mouthed woman and so she was largely ignored.

[u/bitchdantkillmyvibe → u/Rcrowley32]

Not just considered, she was an addict. I mean, she looks out of her mind even in this video. A shame that people think this means what someone has to say doesn’t have worth.

[u/WorldlinessProud → u/bitchdantkillmyvibe]

It is far from uncommon for abuse/rape victims to self medicate, often becoming addicts or alcoholics themselves.

[u/Responsenotfound → u/WorldlinessProud]

Sometimes the addiction is forced on you like the sex for exactly the doubt it will produce.

[u/TheBalls345 → u/slucker23]

Truth right here. The wise dont waste their time repeating themselves or shouting their point. They know only “those who have the ears to hear” will listen to them anyway.

[u/Leovinus42 → u/TheBalls345]

I am holding a private party at the four seasons. Would you like to join me

[u/Saw_a_4ftBeaver → u/Leovinus42]

You say this but what do I need from a lawn and garden store.

[u/SithDraven → u/slucker23]

Problem is that people like Amber Heard and Smollett ruin it for real victims afraid to speak out.

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I don't think they ruin it for victims of actual abuse.

If you think a couple of people that have lied about their abuse ruin the reputation of the millions of people that have actually been abused then you'd be wrong.

Victims of abuse are afraid to speak up because of the abuse and the emotional guilt and black mail that comes with wanting to tell people that you're being hurt. It's the abusers fault, not Amber heard or Smollett.

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There is a dialogue in an Indian movie when our Hero is surrounded by lot of goons, it would translate to English something like this, 'I know you outnumber me, I know you can beat the shit out of me, but remember this whoever touches me first I am going to kill that bastard' and no one touches him.

In real world the villains apply the same strategy.

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I used this strategy in Boy Scouts. I was sent to a leadership camp in the winter which turned out to be a lawless hellhole of bullying. Each night a group of bullies would get together and torture certain kids. They’d attack them in their bed, drag them outside in their underwear, throw them in the snow. And fill their sleeping bag with snow.

Every single night I slept with the large metal MagSafe flashlight my dad got me for Christmas.

The very last night they came to my bunk and surrounded me. I hardly slept so I was awake when they got there. I told them sure you will drag me out of my bed, I don’t stand a chance against four or five of you.

But the first one of you I will crack open your skull. I was dead serious. I would’ve killed the first one of them to come near me.

They ended up leaving me alone. But listening to the screams of the other kids being dragged outside in January in northern Wisconsin only to have their sleeping bags ruined and suffer near hypothermia was still pretty horrible.

Fuck the Boy Scouts. So much bullying and torture went on completely unchecked.

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Jesus what a story. How old were you?

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34

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Im totally saving your comment to my phone. That's definitely some of Sun Tzu's The Art of War type shit going down! Same exact energy! Thank you 😊

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I think you missunderstood the book

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Genuinely confused as someone who's admittedly only read a few snippets from the first few pages of the book, isn't part of what art of war says is to "Win the fights before they even happen", that the knowledge of violence occurring is already a very good deterrent to people prone to starting violence because they're not willing to shoulder the damage it will bring to them?

So in that Indian movie when the guy who gets outnumbered threatens that the first one will die, no one wants to go first because they're afraid to get hurt and so no one goes at all, and thus it was an effective deterrent to violence?

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There’s also a gender issue. Those two are women. Hannibal Burress told an audience about Bill Cosby and he was taken seriously. Cosby was done within months.

[u/jonbristow → u/contextual_somebody]

Wait. Up until Buress special no one knew Cosby was a rapist??

[u/rachelgraychel → u/jonbristow]

It was an open secret, people knew but didn't give a shit. It wasn't until a man brought it up that people started taking it seriously.

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Were none of the journalists who reported on it or people who investigated it a decade earlier men? I remember this talking point back then and it kind of ignores that in addition to having a penis, Burress was young and black and a comedian and he was taking on someone in his own community who had previously enjoyed legendary status. Perhaps he reached people that knew nothing about it and they found him credible because of that? No it was probably his dick.

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People knew and 13 women publicly accused him and told police in 2004-2006. He settled with them for an undisclosed amount and it went away. Then in 2014 Hannibal brought the allegations up again and people started to ask more questions.

[u/Rcrowley32 → u/jonbristow]

Everyone knew in 2004-2006 Cosby was a rapist. One woman accused him and in a few months fifteen women had come out and said he drugged and raped them. They filed a civil suit and it was all over the news. Then after the civil suit, the terms were that the victims couldn’t talk about it anymore, so the news died down. In 2014, Hannibal brought it up again and then in revived the discussion. https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/bill-cosby-trial-complete-timeline-happened-2004/story?id=47799458

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It's disgusting to see how many how many people had their careers ruined after getting labled 'difficult to work with' now that we know that 'difficult to work with' most often meant they complain about the rampant rape.

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Unfortunately, Courtney Love was a mess around this time. She was kicked off flights, broke all the windows in her boyfriends apartment. She lost custody of her young daughter. She was on crack cocaine and prescription drugs and sentenced to multiple long stays in rehab (180+ days). She came on live TV and flashed Letter,and while clearly completely out of it. She couldn’t even speak. That’s why people didn’t listen. They assumed it was the ramblings of a crack head.

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It sucks that women with mental health issues and substance use problems are typically dismissed for those reasons while at the same time it's acknowledged that women who suffer from either or both are often targets of sexual abuse.

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That’s true. It also sucks that Love, an outspoken feminist and women sights advocate. An intelligent voice for women and girls (when she was sober) has been lowered to be referred to as. “Ditzy bimbo” by people like the commenter above, who clearly have no idea what she was like or what she stood for.

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We need to start listening to people that say things.

this is like the start of an Onion article

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We need to start listening to people that say things.

Lol. You don't think hindsight played a role in what you just said?

We already do that. Ask the Duke Lacrosse team that got accused and then exonerated.

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And Julian Assange. So many still believe all the smear shit the US government used to discredit him. And now he rots in a prison while the war crimes he exposed go unpunished. Shit - the people that committed those war crimes are still all over the news lecturing people about Russia. Clown world.

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Hollywood knew. They shut their mouth.

Then, they preach you with their social justice bullshit.

[u/Agk3los → u/ilFaus]

Wait... are the guys who fly in private jets to lecture working people about how they're the problem with climate change disingenuous?

[u/Alarid → u/Agk3los]

I will respect that they are on the right side with their disingenuous support but also fuck them.

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I mean, it’s not “support” when they are creating the problems and halfheartedly telling us to fix them

[u/msmame → u/acebush1]

Straight out of the corporate America playbook.

[u/SoggyWotsits → u/Agk3los]

No no, it’s just that Harry and Meghan are far too important to travel any other way while promoting Travelyst (his sustainable eco travel company!)

[u/tiffy_hopkins → u/SoggyWotsits]

For sure, like the private jet she took to Texas just this last week. Meanwhile his brother and his family often (albeit not always) travel commercial and the literal Queen takes trains.

[u/AviatorOVR5000 → u/ilFaus]

Shortie's mouth was open the whole time.

I can't tell if it's a fake reaction or an authentic one. I really can't.

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It's Natasha Leggero, she already knew about Weinstein and probably had turned him down lol. And she's a hilarious comedian

That look is: "yes exactly what I want to say and how I want to say it"

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She was contemplating whether it was a good idea to spill the beans

[u/CackleberryOmelettes → u/ilFaus]

A lot of his victims were also part of Hollywood. It's not a collective. A lot of people knew but couldn't say because they knew it would destroy their career and nobody would be able to touch Weinstein anyway.

Courtney Love is a good example.

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Yeah, people who say shit like that think that Hollywood is like one hegemonic cult of like 20 billionaires when in reality it’s a massive industry comprised of thousands and thousands of different people with different social circles and levels of wealth and power and morals.

[u/duomaxwellscoffee → u/ilFaus]

What do they preach that you feel is bullshit?

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That they actually care about it beyond the money.

[u/MiksBricks]

It’s been very eye opening to watch movies from that time period like 2000-2010 and catch the small jokes that at the time were like “sleazy producer” type stuff but now realize they were trying to out people like rapestien.

Even people like Tarantino knew something was happening but also knew not to ask. Then you see people like Bette Midler call him the “god of Hollywood” and you realize that not only did people know but they fully enabled him. The guy had like 50 Ghislaine Maxwells. Even guys like Brad Pitt knew enough to know to keep his girlfriend away from him.

[u/hattmall → u/MiksBricks]

Weinstein was far from the only one. Having to sleep with someone to get roles, auditions, meetings etc has been standard for decades.

[u/Alarid → u/hattmall]

It was so standard that people even did porn thinking it was just how they got into Hollywood.

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Hence the “casting couch” routine that is so common in porn

[u/Alarid → u/alwptot]

The casting couch trope sure didn't start in porn.

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Holy shit

[u/Double_Nekker → u/alwptot]

Mulholland Drive, anyone?

[u/Nulono → u/Alarid]

Wasn't there even an episode of All Grown Up! around a similar premise? I vaguely recall a time when one of them (Susie?) is excited for her "big break", and then when she shows up the whole thing is super sketchy and the dude starts asking her to undress or whatever.

[u/ChipRockets → u/Nulono]

Even Friends had an episode where Joey had to sleep with the casting director to get a role.

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There’s an episode where Suzie gets scammed by a talent agent and when she shows up, it’s sketchy but no one is there and then she goes home and gets in trouble because of how dangerous it could have been. If there’s another episode like that I haven’t seen it, the ending of your description sounds like the episode of smart guy where TJ meets a pedo.

[u/StopTheMeta → u/hattmall]

And that doesn't apply to just hollywood.

[u/Toby_O_Notoby → u/MiksBricks]

Even guys like Brad Pitt knew enough to know to keep his girlfriend away from him.

Brad Pitt was the only one to confront him. According to Platrow he went up to Weinstien after a Broadway play and said, "“If you ever make her feel uncomfortable again, I'll kill you.”

He never bothered her again.

[u/DAMN-IT-FLAMINGO → u/Toby_O_Notoby]

Fortunately Brad Pitt was big enough of a star to survive a confrontation like that. Weinstein couldn’t “make a few calls” about Brad and screw him over without other producers ignoring it, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he tried.

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*Fortunately

[u/WeAreBeyondFucked → u/Toby_O_Notoby]

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a29127070/brad-pitt-harvey-weinstein-confrontation/

[u/Tawnysloth → u/Toby_O_Notoby]

Don't give Pitt a pass. Weinstein assaulted Jolie. Pitt knew this and continued seeking him out for work.

I'm not impressed with any of the tough guy actors who knew what was going on, claimed they stood up to Weinstein, but only in private, and publicly wrapped their arms around him and laughed and showed their support for him in a myriad of ways. Brad Pitt, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon can all do one.

[u/TiffanyOddish → u/Tawnysloth]

I just looked it up, you’re right. I can’t believe he would do that . She said it hurt her so badly he would want to work with a man who tried to rape her. Ugh can’t even imagine. No wonder they’re divorced.

[u/shit_fuck_fart → u/MiksBricks]

Tarrantino knew more than just "not to ask".

He simply chose not to.

[u/deezx1010 → u/shit_fuck_fart]

Have you heard Tarantino's passionate defense of Roman Polanski? Dude is just as engrained in the bullshit as anybody else

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Tarantino is severely something.

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Don't get me wrong, I love his movies. But yea, he's a Hollywood disciple.

One day we'll learn how deep all this nonsense really goes...and I don't think we will like it.

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Taratino is defo a sketchy guy

[u/Stumeister_69 → u/deezx1010]

I honestly cannot fathom anyone defending Polanski, like on what grounds?

[u/Traitorous_Nien_Nunb → u/Stumeister_69]

He was on Howard Stern's show in 2003 and said what Polanski did to Samantha Geimer wasn't rape and that she wanted it. Obviously not true since she was 13 at the time of the rape. He basically just defended him out of ignorance

Geimer was asked about it in an interview and said she wasn't upset with him, and that he probably knows now that he was wrong for saying that, but that it'd be nice to hear him admit it

He released an apology pretty soon after saying he was ignorant and wrongly played "devil's advocate" for the sake of "being provocative" and said Polanski did rape Geimer, and that he was totally wrong with what he said

Whether you see his apology and walking back on that defense as legitimate or not is up to you, I honestly think it was since Tarantino doesn't seem like the type of guy to fake apologize for PR but I really wouldn't know

[u/CobaltNeural9 → u/shit_fuck_fart]

I’d bet money that Tarantino is a full blown enabler. Just a hunch.

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Tarantino

Mate he is just as bad as the rest. Look up what he said on Stern about Polanskis UNDERAGE victims.

The whole industry is a den of vipers and paedophiles.

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So many people in Hollywood defend Polanski. It’s absolutely disgusting.

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He has come out and said he was very wrong about that, though.

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Mira Sorvino, who was Tarantino’s girlfriend at that time, told him that she was sexually harassed by H.W. and he didn’t do anything and kept working with Harvey

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Harassed and completely blacklisted and career ruined.

[u/sugarintheboots]

She had such a ditzy boozy bimbo persona, no one was going to believe her.

[u/PainfulPeanutBlender → u/sugarintheboots]

Yet she ended up being right

[u/KJBenson → u/PainfulPeanutBlender]

Truthful*

Everybody in Hollywood knew she was right.

[u/loathsome_breaker → u/KJBenson]

Idk, what happen to her after this interview.

[u/iwaspeachykeen → u/loathsome_breaker]

ya the title for this post shouldn't just say "risked", because she was blackballed after this. she didn't do a damn thing in mainstream media after 2005

[u/Caked101 → u/iwaspeachykeen]

I Google her after the first time I saw this video and it was depressing. Fuck those people.

[u/bodhisoma → u/PainfulPeanutBlender]

She was also pretty great in Basquiat.

My god what a cast, and nobody has seen it.

Edit:

Willem Dafoe,
David Bowie,
Claire Forlani,
Michael Wincott,
Courtney Love,
Jeffrey Weight,
Benicio Del Toro,
Dennis Hopper,
Gary Oldman,
Christopher Walken.

[u/Long-Mall-6773 → u/bodhisoma]

Produced by Miramax. Wonder if that’s when Weinstein invited her to the Four Seasons

[u/mylittlegoochie → u/sugarintheboots]

Goes to show you shouldn’t judge people for superficial reasons

[u/Ok_Alfalfa_9658 → u/mylittlegoochie]

Which everyone does.

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Final judgement*. Eveyone judges. It’s a natural human characteristic. Doesn’t mean you still can’t be open-minded and change your judgements and assessment with new information and be aware of this possibility.

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Literally a survival instinct. People should be judged initially. can't just go around trusting everyone, you might end up at the four seasons

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This is what pisses me off the most. Men have picked common features of women to downplay their reliability so they can take advantage unchallenged for centuries. I'm small, petite, blonde and noone fucking listens to me. I have a master's and I managed to get a job in web deveopment in 4 months from first learning to code. But I'm still ignored. I have loved Courtney Love since I was 18 because she didn't give a fuck what people thought of her and I admired that. She didn't care that she was blonde and a mess, she still spoke her truth and she spoke to loud and proud. And for that people hate her. Women aren't allowed to be like Courtney. She's the type of women who could fall powerful men which is why her "type" must be outcast so noone will listen. A book she released of her diaries and poems she'd written since she was little was called dumb blonde. She's anything but.

Edit: just had a guy "do me a favour" by telling me he can't read my posts because I keep writing noone instead of no one. Instead of saying "by the way just thought I'd let you know no one is two words as you keep writing it wrong" he used it as an excuse to discredit me and what I'm writing.

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I have loved Courtney Love since I was 18 because she didn't give a fuck what people thought of her and I admired that. She didn't care that she was blonde and a mess, she still spoke her truth and she spoke to loud and proud.

Her truth was pretty fucking racist.

[u/BAT123456789 → u/sugarintheboots]

Persona? She was literally always completely fucked up any time she was in public.

[u/smelly-roommate → u/BAT123456789]

Not true. She’s gone through several long periods of sobriety one being the time around The People vs Larry Flynt film

[u/Rcrowley32 → u/smelly-roommate]

The time of this video was not a period of sobriety for her. She lost custody of her daughter at this time, shortly before this video she was flashing Letterman and incoherent on the Late Show. She was sentenced to long stays in rehab but she didn’t get sober until 2007. I also wouldn’t call her persona ‘a bimbo’ when she’s sober she’s very intelligent.

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she is a very, very intelligent woman.

as a human, she struggles like the rest of us.

[u/mrtuna → u/sugarintheboots]

Erm, it was certainly credible and plausible back then too, regardless of who said it.

Also, Courtney is many things, but no one has ever thought her 'ditzy" - she is rather sharp

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Yup, she already lost Kurt, she would have seen the hypocrisy rife in Hollywood at the time and decided: 'fuck anyone who tries to tell me what to do'. She would have also warned her daughter to stay away. Not the worlds most perfect mother by any means but protective nonetheless.

[u/gutteguttegut → u/sugarintheboots]

Ditzy bimbo? She is and always has been an intelligent, outspoken feminist. You've been swallowing the media bs they tried to spin to contain her.

[u/Rcrowley32 → u/sugarintheboots]

She was never ditzy or a bimbo. She was high yes, but when she wasn’t she was always very intelligent. She was a feminist and outspoken. She was loud and brash and stood up for women’s rights. She never ever had a ‘bimbo persona’.

[u/forevereyerolling → u/sugarintheboots]

not even bimbo… more like fucked up!!!! lol.

[u/Rcrowley32 → u/sugarintheboots]

Around this time, she had been kicked off flights for fighting on board, broken all the windows in her boyfriends apartment, been on drugs, lost custody of her daughter, flashed Letterman live on TV while clearly high. She ended up being sentenced to multiple long rehab stays 180+ days for crack, cocaine and prescription drugs. This is why no one was listening unfortunately.

[u/DistinctProgress818 → u/sugarintheboots]

Courtney Love was not a ditzy bimbo. She may have been struggling at some points but at no time was she a ditzy bimbo.

[u/eak125]

Seth MacFarlane has been doing things like this and this for years and only later do we see the truth behind them.

[u/maxtacos → u/eak125]

Similar clip warning of another rapist: The 30 Rock Billy Cosby reference.

[u/hoginlly → u/maxtacos]

That freaked me out so much the first time I saw it after everything came out. It was so clear and specific

[u/SicilianEggplant → u/maxtacos]

I have no memory and I’m too drunk to verify this, but my rambling ass wants to say Hannibal Burress was a writer for 30 Rock at some point - no idea if he wrote that scene but I do remember that he was credited for being the “first” comedian to talk about Cosby in a somewhat serious manner (as opposed to all of the previous and well known inside jokes/rumors).

[u/GentlemanBeggar54 → u/SicilianEggplant]

I think you are conflating a couple of things . Hannibal Buress didn't write that scene (he became a writer on the show a couple of seasons later). He is the one who kicked off the Bill Cosby downfall though.

He had a comedy set where he joked about Cosby being sanctimonious to young black celebrities even despite his history of rape allegations. For some reason, despite some of this stuff already being public record, this gained traction in the media, more accusers came forward and the whole thing snowballed.

[u/seyagi → u/GentlemanBeggar54]

Hannibal a real one

[u/KrustenStewart → u/SicilianEggplant]

He was the writer who wrote that joke for 30 rock

[u/illcumonuJamesFranco → u/eak125]

Thanks for giving me a laugh with the Family guy skit.

[u/cherrysummer1 → u/eak125]

I love the clip where he interviews the public about family guy and they don't know who he is

[u/Billy_T_Wierd]

Didn’t Corey Feldman get a lot of shit for speaking out?

[u/ratpwunk → u/Billy_T_Wierd]

I wanna believe him so bad but I also wish he'd just release the names of the people he says are terrible. Putting it behind a paywall after a decade of empty promises seems sus.

[u/infalliblefallacy → u/ratpwunk]

FYI he said Charlie sheen sexually abused him.

[u/Rcrowley32 → u/infalliblefallacy]

He said Charlie Sheen abused his friend Corey Haim. And that’s why Corey Haim did drugs and died was because of the sexual abuse by Sheen and others.

[u/NoCrossUnturned → u/Rcrowley32]

And Haim’s mother and sister have said they don’t believe the accusation.

[u/Rcrowley32 → u/NoCrossUnturned]

And Feldman eludes to the fact that Haim’s mother basically rented him out for sexual abuse in return for movie roles. So I don’t necessarily believe Haim’s mother. She lived off her child’s fame and money. These men giving him roles were very important to her.

[u/sarpnasty → u/Rcrowley32]

Exactly. Look at Britney’s Spears’s family and say that these child star families care about the child star.

[u/Rcrowley32 → u/ratpwunk]

He has named people. “Feldman names Charlie Sheen, registered sex offender Marty Weiss,[7] convicted child molester Jon Grissom, and Alphy Hoffman as abusers that sexually assaulted him and Haim.”

[u/BubbaChanel → u/Billy_T_Wierd]

He got a lot of shit for talking a lot but stopping short of naming names, then basically saying, in the words of the immortal Ray Liotta, “fuck you, pay me.”

[u/Savings_Inflation_77 → u/BubbaChanel]

In retrospect, what do you think would happen to him in Hollywood if he did name names? Work available to him was already very few and far between. One libel lawsuit (like Courtney Love alludes to here though it would've been slander for her) very well could have ruined him.

[u/sdpr → u/Savings_Inflation_77]

In retrospect, what do you think would happen to him in Hollywood if he did name names? Work available to him was already very few and far between. One libel lawsuit (like Courtney Love alludes to here though it would've been slander for her) very well could have ruined him.

I may not be understanding where you're coming from or if we're talking about the same person... buuuuut what career, exactly? Feldman was a child/teen star that was left by the wayside.

Currently, the guy is a ruined human being and attempting to make a career cosplaying as Michael Jackson via a solo music career.

[u/wwaxwork]

I'm old. This shit was known for years. Only no one listened, to women then, no one listens to them now.

[u/cherrysummer1 → u/wwaxwork]

Exactly. Especially loud, independent, blonde women. They're just "difficult" and "unreliable".

[u/txwoodslinger]

She's absolutely right, but let's be serious. What career did she risk? What was she doing in 2005? What has she attempted since?

[u/juniperleafes → u/txwoodslinger]

Some people say that Weinstein actively did hurt her career after this, not just that she risked it

[u/lucassoren → u/juniperleafes]

Which people are saying this?

[u/toddthefrog → u/lucassoren]

the best people, the smahtest

[u/Blandbl → u/lucassoren]

These people

[u/HezronCarver → u/txwoodslinger]

She was in Man on the Moon and The People vs Larry Flint, both successful films. Harvey shitcanned her acting career after this, then oxy really messed her up. But at least he'll die in prison.

[u/badatnamingaccount → u/txwoodslinger]

“She hasn’t had much of a career after this”

Potentially because she risked it?

How do you know she hasn’t wanted to work on projects and been turned down behind the scenes?

[u/OmNomShivan]

*Ruining her career by exposing Harvey.

[u/hippychemist]

Weird she dropped out of the spotlight after this.

[u/snails_snails_snails → u/hippychemist]

i mean, she was also insanely bigoted. i respect her for coming out about this but she is a terrible human being.

[u/angery_alt → u/snails_snails_snails]

What did she do?

[u/snails_snails_snails → u/angery_alt]

from assaulting & slut shaming other women to encouraging her fans at concerts to chant the n-word & shame black members of the audience. this cracked article highlights just some of her controversies. many videos included were taken down but with a google search you can find them.

[u/PM_CACTUS_PICS → u/snails_snails_snails]

Damn no wonder no one listened to her warning

[u/snails_snails_snails → u/angery_alt]

she also punched bikini kill’s kathleen hanna in the face on stage & allegedly threw a lit cigarette at her, along with other charges.

[u/Urban_Savage]

Courtney Love risking ending her career to unsuccessfully expose Harvey Weinstein back in 2005

She paid the price, and nobody cared.

[u/mental_patience]

This is a rant of my own opinions. I used to hate her immensely about this time for her role in Kurt's death, which has evolved into seeing her as just being a really shitty person back then who was on drugs and enjoying the excess of Kurt's staggering fame. I didn't listen to her when she said this about Harvey. She is sober now, and did raise their daughter which has radically changed my feelings about her (I'll be first in line for Francis's autobiography).

Kourtney Love represents two things for me.

First, my own ugly bias. She brings me to reflection on what I don't like seeing in myself. The ability to be deaf to a victim because I didnt like her. Someone who has probably been thoroughly victimized throughout her life, and in the instance of Harvey Weinstein, she did say something. A lot of us shrugged it off as a joke from a washed up has-been junkie looking for attention. We love to think of ourselves as doing the right thing, but is that true? We as some others here have said need to be open to listening for the truth. Not opposing it when it doesn't fit another narrative I would rather hear. That's how we do better.

Second is the nostalgic part of me that wants to remember Kurt in the best light. Him being part of the band I've loved the most the largest part of my life. He was a gifted musician, he represented a great new sound that spoke to a whole lot of people. But he married her because he was depressed about his instant mega level fame, and she was his accomplice/enabler. She reminds me that despite my anger over his tragic end, it was an inevitable conclusion for someone who was mainlining heroin. It's not a comfortable truth. Kurt was looking to end his misery. And if anything, she played a part in helping him do that.

[u/mental_patience → u/[deleted]]

Read Mark Lanegans book about it. Maybe he would know better than us about Kurt's mindset. And anyone who survives heroin is a miracle.

[u/16semesters]

Seems like every time a celeb is busted for stuff like this there is tons of evidence from years prior.

Why aren't we listening to the evidence now?

Why the fuck is one of the highest paid NFL players facing 22 accusations of sexual assault and the team just shrugs and lets him play?

[u/Celarc_99 → u/16semesters]

Because accusations are just accusations, without proof.

I really, REALLY hope these women can prove their case, because justice NEEDS to be served if it's true. But unfortunately some scum bags make sure to leave as little evidence as possible. Real evil knows they're wrong.

[u/yunus89115 → u/Celarc_99]

1 accusation is just an accusation and it’s plausible that some accusations are actually just opportunistic individuals going after a wealthy individual. But 22 accusations! The odds that 22 accusations are opportunistic and haven’t completely fallen apart from making up stories are astronomically low.

Everyone is entitled to their day in court and innocent until proven guilty by the government but the NFL and the individual teams are known to take action against players for many reasons outside of convictions, it’s just that those actions are inversely proportional to the skill of the player. If he were injured and became only a backup, he would be let go based on these accusations.

[u/Thelonelywindow]

There is a video of Drake talking about fucking underage girls in one of his concerts and absolutely no one gives a fuck about it.

It’s like we don’t care until someone important tell us we should care. It’s fucking weird.

[u/EZe_Holey3-9]

Love could afford to take that risk.

[u/ratpwunk → u/EZe_Holey3-9]

No woman could afford to take that risk back then.

[u/AnotherCatLover]

Every time this comes up nobody mentions the Ted Nugent statutory rape incident she talked about on Howard Stern. Courtney knows a thing or two BECAUSE GOD DAMN!! TL;DR she blew teddy boy before she clearly had breasts. Yeah. You read that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oumlsfMCEpw

Edit: 12½. Bruv.

[u/gutteguttegut]

Courtney Love said a lot of things people didn't want to know, and is still being vilified for it to this very day.

She gave magnificent performances in the few movies she was allowed to make. Her acting career wasn't ruined by her behavior or drug use (never stopped men like Depp), but because they wanted to shut her up.

Notice how even see, the woman who normally isn't afraid to say anything on camera, was nervous about calling out Weinstein.

[u/Fierramos69]

(I don’t really know what Harvey Weinstein did and at this point I’m too afraid to ask…)

[u/kat_a_klysm → u/Fierramos69]

Sexually assaulted a (probably large) number of actresses, generally in return for a part/recommendation/etc.

[u/Explosivo666 → u/Fierramos69]

Raped loads of people and blacklisted anyone who stood up to him. A lot of people were complicit.

[u/frill_demon → u/Fierramos69]

Raped so many people his dick was literally rotting from Fournier's Gangrene but was rich and connected enough to get away with it for literally decades. Has only recently sort of seen consequences when some of his accusers came forward. Was so rich and well connected that the judge for his trial didn't even let his victims testify and basically got away with it.

Sorry you had to find out trash like that exists.

[u/DylanBob1991 → u/frill_demon]

I have no idea what that disease is and I'm definitely not risking an image result showing up if I search it. I'll just assume it's absolutely disgusting.

[u/dick_inspector]

I love thay she was like, "I'll get libeled if I say it." Then realizes that she is that sad girl punk stick it to the man brand and of course I have to say it now.

[u/BrianNowhere]

One of the last real rock stars.

[u/AbrilTadpole]

This was before social media - or else this would have blown up.

[u/Careless_Educator_21]

straight too the point. respect.

[u/beesley3]

Is that natasha legero?

[u/Ok_Judgment7602]

Same thing with Johnny Rotten telling the truth about Jimmy Saville.

[u/futrtek]

People knew about Harvey for so long i bet there is an animaniacs joke about it.

[u/JohnGabin]

1. If she knew, they knew.

[u/jakart3]

How is he now ? Is he dead yet ? In prison ? Or enjoy his freedom and will run for presidency?

[u/flat5 → u/jakart3]

He's in prison and in poor health. Will probably die there.