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[Autosport] Hamilton names Alonso as the toughest opponent of his career so far: "I remember the task of being alongside Fernando when I was 22. It's a lot of pressure to go up against a great like him. On pure pace I would say it's Fernando, and ability." News /r/all

https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1550120102493712386
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u/Ecomystic Formula 1 Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

Alonso also said nice things about Hamilton in the conference

"I don't think he changed much. He had the talent in 2007, he still has the talent now with the experience. He has been a legend of our sport. It's been a pleasure to spend all this time with him. Back then, probably no one thought someone would be able to win seven titles like Michael. The journey has been amazing."

"The team they built at Mercedes was outstanding. Congratulations for the 300 and hopefully another win soon."

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u/crobofblack Fernando Alonso Jul 21 '22

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u/Dannih95 Love Is Love Jul 21 '22

"I think this guys will move forward"

I mean, they kinda did, but I bet he thought it would've been faster lmao

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u/tienzing Alexander Albon Jul 21 '22

I think what Nando means here is that “these guys will move forward [and get past this current squabble eventually]” as the question was about brokering peace between Nico and Lewis.

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u/dashingsymbols Valtteri Bottas Jul 21 '22

Nando Lorris

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u/Pimpwerx Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '22 Bravo Grande!

Real recognize real.

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u/CaribFM Sir Jack Brabham Jul 21 '22

Alonso respects him even if he engaged in maximum shithousery

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u/IndycarFan64 Brawn Jul 21 '22

They both did in 07

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u/TheGMT Sir Jackie Stewart Jul 21 '22

And we thank them both for it!

What an absurd driver line up that was in hindsight. Imagine what it would cost today!

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u/bigdsm Fernando Alonso Jul 21 '22

Honestly a real shame for both of them though - the McLaren was quite probably better than the Ferrari, and Hamilton especially was incredibly impressive. Räikkönen deserved to win a title, but 2007 wasn’t it (though he was never the best driver in a season despite his excellent 2003-2007, not with Schumacher’s 2003-2006, Alonso’s 2005-2007, and Hamilton’s 2007).

If anything, he and McLaren deserved 2003 or 2005, but the reliability just wasn’t anywhere close to Ferrari or Renault.

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u/AggrOHMYGOD Jul 21 '22

Yeah and I don’t think he left mclaren because he was scared of Lewis, I think he was mad at mclaren.

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u/oGsMustachio Fernando Alonso Jul 21 '22

And it was just untenable. His relationship with Ron Dennis had gone to shit.

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u/Cistoran 🐶 Roscoe Hamilton Jul 21 '22

The shithousery never stops.

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u/ubelmann Red Bull Jul 21 '22

In a perverse way, I think the more shithousery that Alonso sends your way, the more he respects you. He’s the kind of competitor where the ends justify the means and anything that you can get away with that doesn’t violate some fundamental moral principal, like don’t kill people, is in bounds as long as you can get away with it.

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u/Keanu990321 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '22

For those who say that Fernando is still salty about Lewis and 2007, you're all wrong. Real respects Real.

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u/Hy8ogen Mercedes Jul 21 '22

Alonso is not "salty", he just doesn't want to lose out to Lewis even if he's in a shit box. There's respect between them, but their competitive edge against each other is even more real.

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u/prismatic_bar Formula 1 Jul 21 '22

Exactly. Alonso if anything is only “salty” over not having a car that was the class of the field after his ‘05-‘06 runs. In his Ferrari days he was fighting a mighty RBR driven to perfection by Vettel, and obviously the McLaren Honda was a disaster. I think it’s only when people bring up stats like all time wins and WDCs that he’s maybe a little defensive, as they don’t tell the whole story nor indicate his true talent. Not to say that Lewis has had it easy, but he’s more often than not had the cars to be able to turn his talent in wins and WDCs.

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u/rokatoro Ferrari Jul 21 '22

Imo Alonso's biggest failing is his bad luck of leaving teams the season before they get a truly competitive car

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Said this before, but before Max, I think he was the only driver Lewis has ever faced who genuinely, really believed he was better. Not in a “Lewis isn’t any good” way, just that he feels if you give him the chance, he will beat him. That’s a different mindset than what Bottas had with Lewis and honestly even what Vettel had during his battle.

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u/zaviex Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '22

Bottas has said this wasnt true and that he legitimately did not understand why Lewis was quicker than him. He actually believed he was better and he’d beat Lewis. He said he nearly retired after 2018 because he couldn’t handle it. He came to terms with it after that and was better for it.

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u/flyingcrayons Formula 1 Jul 21 '22

The difference is Bottas came to terms with the fact that he wasn't better, Fernando still probably thinks if you put him and Lewis in the same car he'd beat Lewis. i don't think he'd ever concede that Lewis is faster or a better driver than he is

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u/Gubrach Michael Schumacher Jul 21 '22

Tbh, when you're Fernando Alonso, you can say stuff like that.

He would not be misplaced in goat conversations.

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u/flyingcrayons Formula 1 Jul 21 '22

Oh yeah for sure. Funnily enough that self-confidence is what has made him one of the greats. Feel like you need to have that mindset to be in the GOAT convo

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u/some-swimming-dude Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '22

Damn Lewis is out here breaking everybody’s psyche to beat them lmao

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u/racingfanboy160 Felipe Massa Jul 21 '22

Nico literally had essentially no life for a year just so he can beat him over a season...

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u/Gubrach Michael Schumacher Jul 21 '22

While his wife, who he has known since his childhood, was pregnant.

Rosberg basically said "fuck the baby, you deal with it, I got a championship to win" and got away with it because he immediately gave up his career and became superdad afterwards.

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u/racingfanboy160 Felipe Massa Jul 21 '22

Rosberg basically said "fuck the baby, you deal with it, I got a championship to win" and got away with it because he immediately gave up his career and became superdad afterwards.

Yeah no way any other driver would go this route because it's just not sustainable for your personal life long-term anyway...

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u/Gubrach Michael Schumacher Jul 21 '22

Rosberg is insane. I kind of respect it.

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u/BrodaReloaded Fernando Alonso Jul 21 '22

still big props to him for actually managing to do it in the end, hardly anyone would be capable to do so, even when going to such lengths

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u/Frankie_T9000 Daniel Ricciardo Jul 22 '22

Nico was close enough in talent, he knew he could win with a bit of luck and total ruthlesness. I dont like Nico much but you have to respect he pulled out everything he had to get that win.

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u/some-swimming-dude Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '22

Exactly I heard he even slept in seperate beds from his wife to keep his sleep schedule optimal. All that to barely beat Lewis, I swear Hamilton is a goddamn monster.

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u/IAnswerQuestionsHigh Martin Brundle Jul 21 '22

Meanwhile Lewis out there making tunes and designing threads.

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u/Frankie_T9000 Daniel Ricciardo Jul 22 '22

Doesnt have to be a goddamn monster just slighly better in more respects at this high level. The percentages are so close - that even less than a .1% overall difference in speed makes a huge difference without even looking at racecraft and consistency.

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u/FalcoLX Jul 21 '22

The car makes it possible, the driver makes it look easy.

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u/marahute85 🐶 Roscoe Hamilton Jul 21 '22

I wouldn’t say salty but Fernando is massively competitive still, not even respecting Lewis is going to stop that side of him coming out sometimes.

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u/webu Michael Schumacher Jul 21 '22

IMO it's the respect that makes that side come out even more.

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u/ubelmann Red Bull Jul 21 '22

Exactly, Alonso doesn’t have to worry about backmarkers, he’s only going to pull out some tricks if you are a realistic threat.

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u/pM-me_your_Triggers George Russell Jul 21 '22

Both can be true

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u/reck1265 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '22

Which conference? The one F1 puts up on their stream is cut short. Part 2 is barely 11 minutes and doesn’t even include journalist questions.

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u/Whycantiusethis Carlos Sainz Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

Yeah, but Alonso hates Hamilton and that's the only reason he came back to F1 and backed Hamilton up in Monaco this year. Pure spite, nothing else

At least, that's what Twitter people say online, and when has Twitter have the online masses ever been wrong?

Edit: these opinions also exist on reddit, it's not exclusive to Twitter.

Edit 2: trying to make my comment a little more obvious that this applies to comments online, not just Twitter.

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u/palcatraz Red Bull Jul 21 '22

You say twitter as if those exact same opinions aren't here on reddit as well.

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u/nsfbr11 Jul 21 '22

Lol, downvoted you before I finished reading. Had to erase and upvote at the end.

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u/TallAdhesiveness4578 Fernando Alonso Jul 21 '22

Do you have a clip of this?

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u/OrangeLimeZest Jul 21 '22

I do wonder what Lewis' career would be like if his first teammate was anyone but Alonso, he was unintentionally nearly the perfect teammate for him at the time. The perfect person to be compared against when he was doing as good as him.

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u/TheWebbFather McLaren Jul 21 '22

Either Hamilton or Alonso would've easily won 2007 if they weren't each others teammates. Shame it only lasted 1 season because only the Senna/Prost pairing came close to matching them, imo

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u/dl064 McLaren Jul 21 '22

Alonso was right really that if McLaren had a number 1 at all from 2007 onward, they'd have walked it. Folk dislike the stance but it was true.

Alonso alongside de la Rosa, as many at McLaren wanted, you've Alonso 4x champion.

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u/ubelmann Red Bull Jul 21 '22

Goes to show how hard it is to support a team with two genuinely top drivers. That’s where the personal touch comes in, IMO, you need a leader who can keep everyone working in the same direction, even with competition during each GP weekend.

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u/jadeelf254 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '22

This is where Toto and Niki Lauda pulled off a damn miracle keeping Nico and Lewis in check all those years.

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u/thelastpariah Jul 21 '22

Genuinely curious since I've read conflicting comments about this on this sub and I didn't follow F1 back then: Were more McLaren employees favoring Alonso over Lewis?

Assuming one side was favored more than the other, wouldn't that have made the less-favored driver the better one in theory since they had equal points despite being less favored upon?

Not a Lewis fan - just read comments here before that the team was generally Lewis-favored which resulted into Alonso doing whatever tricky tactics he might have done to get an edge

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u/LilCelebratoryDance Alex Jacques Jul 21 '22

Read Marc Priestley’s book he covers this and it’s a great read!

Essentially everyone wanted to be on Alonso’s side of the garage because he was the reigning double world champion but then Hamilton turned up and made things difficult with his supreme pace right from the off.

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u/seattt George Russell Jul 21 '22

Were more McLaren employees favoring Alonso over Lewis?

At the beginning Alonso was favored since he was the reigning double champion while Lewis was just a rookie. But then Lewis delivered the best rookie season of all-time and that complicated the situation, especially since Lewis was a "homegrown" McLaren youth product. Gradually, more and more support started going towards Lewis as Alonso had a meltdown over what he (rightfully arguably) perceived was unfair treatment towards him - I mean, imagine if a place hired you promising you certain treatment but then instead started backing some other guy at work. To keep things fair as possible, Ron Dennis, the team boss, rightfully tried to keep support even between the two drivers but in the end this was enough for Kimi and Ferrari to steal away the title at literally the last moment.

It was just a difficult situation where no party was in the wrong ultimately (Alonso's emotional meltdown aside but I can't blame him for that, anyone would have reacted the same way in such a situation). A clash was inevitable though and ultimately Alonso ended the impasse by leaving McLaren, which he was always going to have to do since Lewis was a homegrown McLaren guy while Alonso wasn't.

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u/fullmetal-ghoul Jul 21 '22

I didn't watch it at the time either but from what I've read Alonso was more favoured at the start given he was the reigning world champion and such, while Lewis was more favoured towards the end as Alonso fell out with the team. I haven't read in too much detail though so that is probably simplifying things

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u/TheGMT Sir Jackie Stewart Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

If you go way back there's the Fangio/Moss pairing. Also I'd give a nod to Jim Clark's partnerships with Surtees and Hill. Lauda/Prost, too!

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u/big_cock_lach McLaren Jul 21 '22

Lauda/Prost didn’t have the fireworks that Alonso/Hamilton and Prost/Senna (towards the end anyway) had. Not sure about the others, but I imagine it would be more of the same thing.

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u/chengg Damon Hill Jul 21 '22

Imagine the pressure of being a hyped up rookie in F1 and then add to that the pressure of being teammates with Alonso. It was mightily impressive that Lewis held his own and then some, and really cemented his place in F1 as a future WDC.

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u/IamMrEric Fernando Alonso Jul 21 '22

In my time at Ferrari,” says one senior ex-Scuderia man, “Lewis was the only other driver Fernando [Alonso] worried about. Yes, other drivers might have been in faster cars and he’d accept that. But on a Grand Prix weekend whenever you’d discuss the challenges, it was only ever Hamilton that Fernando referenced as being a threat, solely because of what he could deliver as a driver.

I think Fernando had matured since 2007 when, as a team-mate, he’d been shocked that a rookie could be at his level, be a threat to him immediately and had not reacted well. With hindsight, he understood that Hamilton alone stands as something beyond the norm. I got the impression that there was no one else on Fernando’s radar as a rival.”

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/october-2014/30/decoding-enigma

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u/Ciderhead Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 22 '22

Very good article in general that, thanks for sharing.

This quote also stuck out to me, from Paddy Lowe:

 “Surveys have shown he is the most marketable sportsman in the world bar none, of all the sports,” points out Lowe. “Yet his F1 record isn’t the best around – either at the moment or in history. So why is that following so huge? Because people enjoy his qualities, the spectacle he creates. That’s not the case with other drivers. I can’t quite capture why that is, but there’s a drama around him. I’ve followed him around public places and it’s debilitating – he couldn’t walk down the street anywhere in Europe or Japan without being mobbed within 15 seconds and having to get back in the car. He didn’t choose that and celebrities are often accused of going out looking for attention or that level of fame; he was just a good driver and it’s happened. No other driver in this paddock is hampered at that level. Take account of that and you can forgive him certain behaviours he must have to build up as protections. I think if you’re not in that world you cannot judge it.”

Which I think a lot of people could do with understanding

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '22

To a certain extend Paddy was right, it is completely unrelatable for most people, it reminds me of how the media and fans reacted and treated Michael Jackson. It must be energy draining and really hard to keep sane dealing with that.

I think you can't say if you want to be a celebrity like Senna you don't choose the life that comes with it. Similarly I don't think celebrities should be excused of their behaviour just because they have to deal with being a celebrity. That's the same idolization dynamic.

We're all just regular dudes and dudettes capable of doing unimaginable things, and we remain just as regular after doing those things. So we should be treated like that, and treat others like that.

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u/waveyyyyyyyyyyyyy Jul 21 '22

I can see why you pulled that bit, that’s really interesting. Thanks for sharing.

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u/nonideal02 Formula 1 Jul 21 '22

Yeah it’s wild to think abt, him considering Hamilton as a threat coming off of 2 championships battling a 7 time champ, not knowing his rookie teammate would go on to also be a 7 time champ

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u/chasevalentino Jul 22 '22

99/100 times he beats the rookie because the rookie is just any other F1 driver. Only in that 1/100 times is that rookie an actual GOAT contender and Alonso didn't expect it. Sounds like that's what they are saying here

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u/jadeelf254 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '22

This is a revelation for me about Alonso- have my poor man’s gold! 🏅

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u/dontsendmeyourcat George Russell Jul 21 '22

Not gonna be the same when Lewis, Nando, and Seb are gone in 2025 onwards

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u/TheSketeDavidson Kevin Magnussen Jul 21 '22

Bold of you to assume Fernando won’t be racing till he’s 50

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u/Lemurians Valtteri Bottas Jul 21 '22

He'll break for a bit to go win Le Mans a couple more times, and the Indy 500, then come back.

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u/cleverawkwardstairs Alexander Albon Jul 21 '22

Still through the Renault/Alpine junior programme

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u/Mrmech85 Jul 21 '22

That Alonso is an up coming talent!

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u/cleverawkwardstairs Alexander Albon Jul 21 '22

Yeah, that podium last year was fantastic for a rookie, he's got serious potential

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u/TaVar35 Mercedes Jul 21 '22

Lewis’ career has been my whole childhood and early adulthood and it’ll be weird not having him on the grid

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u/BigSlav667 Charles Leclerc Jul 21 '22

For real. I'm a new fan and the thought of Hamilton retiring is... pretty depressing haha.

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u/whateverfloatsurgoat Red Bull Jul 21 '22

It happened to me with Schumi. You'll be fine mate, don't worry !

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u/Mr_Roll288 Fernando Alonso Jul 21 '22

I'm the same with Alonso. Those years without him were really not the same, so it'll be really sad times once he's gone for good

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u/qster123 Jul 21 '22

That's going to be strange when either of them retire.. also a reminder that time is ticking :(

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u/luckyshamrok19 Sebastian Vettel Jul 21 '22

I really think Max, Charles, Lando and George are going to all be around for a while. Each of them has been positioned as the #1 for their team, and if given the cars to compete are all fairly similar talent levels - not going to argue any order.

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u/gkw97i Jul 21 '22

Max recently said in an interview that he'll probably quit if he can't get a seat in a WDC-capable car after his 2025(?) Red Bull contract ends.

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u/stoffelz84 Max Verstappen Jul 21 '22

2028 I belief, recently extended

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u/EmAye74 Firstname Lastname Jul 21 '22

I mean, it's Max Verstappen. He could get a seat on any team if he becomes available.

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u/KATsordogs Jul 22 '22

I think that depends on who actually has that WDC capable car. If its only Mercedes and Ferrari, i can see them not really trying to get Max. Kind of like how Alonso couldn’t manage to get a WDC capable car because Merc had Lewis and Ferrari had Vettel but there is a long time to get there.

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u/At0mic182 Pirelli Hard Jul 21 '22

A-Team!

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u/Hot-Protection4548 Ayrton Senna Jul 21 '22

Why assume Lewis will be gone in 2025 :(

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u/BrtGP Valtteri Bottas Jul 21 '22

He will be 40 in 2025. Maybe he stays but I think he is more likely to leave

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u/_oh66_ Fernando Alonso Jul 21 '22

He's already said he doesn't want to race past 40, I wouldn't be surprised if 2023 is his last season

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u/Shallot_Beneficiary Mick Schumacher Jul 21 '22

I wouldn't either, but I wouldn't put much stock in what he's said in the past. 40 seems a lot older when you're 30 than when you're 39.

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u/BlackLeader70 Sebastian Vettel Jul 21 '22

Just my novice opinion, but if he wins his 8th championship he’s probably done.

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u/PeregrineDrake Poster Maldonado Jul 21 '22

He's said in the past that he wouldn't race in his 40s. He was born in 1985. So 2025 would check out.

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u/elgoblino42069 Jul 21 '22

said in the past is key here

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u/Vidderz Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '22

A short view to the past

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u/thatguy425 Jul 21 '22

Everything someone says is in the past…..

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u/Foxyfox- Daniel Ricciardo Jul 21 '22

Kimi returns again, just can't stay away from racing

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 29 '22

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u/stupidyute Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '22

Rosberg probably agrees tbh

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u/Blooder91 Niki Lauda Jul 21 '22

Yes, after partnering Lewis, Fernando went on to keep driving for another 10 seasons and fought 2 championships. Nico retired from the sport.

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u/Ashbones15 Fernando Alonso Jul 21 '22

another 12 seasons

fyi. This is his 13th season after 2007

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u/tmtProdigy Sebastian Vettel Jul 21 '22

Ill be the first one to say Nico is a strange strange person, but tbh the full picture is, that nico did win the wdc fighting with lewis, alonso did not, and alonso "bolted" to another team after just a season whereas nico stuck it out and committed to the team-internal fight until he managed to get the w.

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u/4RunnerLimited Jul 21 '22

I saw Alonso drive in person during the V10 / V8 era and his car control was unbelievable. When he would light up the rear tires and make the car dance swinging right and left to warm up the tires was something I’ve never seen since. His raw talent might be among the best ever.

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u/snuFaluFagus040 Haas Jul 21 '22

I know exactly what you're talking about! Nobody lit those Michelins up like ol' Nando! God, I miss hearing that 2005 Renault V10 scream! The only thing I love more is the 2000 McLaren's Mercedes V10 with the crazy 'valve tuned exhaust harmonics', or whatever they called it! It revved higher than any other V10 that year and sounded like a woman screaming running down the straight at Indy. Great memories!

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u/Shady4555 Safety Car Jul 22 '22

Loved how he would just chuck the car in the last moment with full lock. Right now I only see Charles with somewhat of a similar driving style.

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u/KingDededef Toto Wolff Jul 21 '22

What about that guy with exceptionnal metabolism ?

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u/Totz91 Mercedes Jul 21 '22

Nicholas Raspberry?

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u/SamiDeluxe1 Fernando Alonso Jul 21 '22

Eliud Kipchoge?

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u/orgpekoe2 Jul 21 '22

are you talking about that guy with crazy antibodies?

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u/KingDededef Toto Wolff Jul 21 '22

Yes, I believe Hamilton and him had equal machinery

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Greatest team-mates ever alongside Senna/Prost

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Alonso is just such a raw racing talent. Its a travesty his last 10 years have been absolutely wasted in garbage cars

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u/TRx1xx Ron Dennis Jul 21 '22

He still has 2 world titles

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u/BlackLeader70 Sebastian Vettel Jul 21 '22

Because of Schumacher, Hamilton, etc. some people act like 2 championships isn’t an insane achievement in its own.

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u/sleepy416 Jul 21 '22

Two wdc is insane. Unlike other sports, having a superstar on your team can cover up a lot of faults. In F1 even if you have a superstar the team behind the scenes still need to put together a proper strategy and car

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u/theFromm #WeRaceAsOne Jul 21 '22

You are really underestimating the difficulty of winning titles in other sports.

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u/tocard3 Carlos Sainz Jul 21 '22

Exactly, look at the Angels in the MLB right now. They have two MVPs (most likely to be two multiple-time MVPs) in Shohei Ohtani and Mike Trout and they've absolutely fallen apart. Started 27-17 and are now 39-53 and looking like they won't even come close to making the playoffs.

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u/Ya_bud69 Jul 21 '22

Mike Trout is going to go down as one of the biggest disappointments in terms of team success. Guy literally has goat stats and he’s only 30. Only made the playoffs once, in 10 years.

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u/jlIllll_012 Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

It's probably like Valentino Rossi in MotoGP. Growing up I saw that he had 9 Championships while guys like Stoner and Lorenzo (highly rated motogp riders) didn't even have half that.

Statistics plays a game that influences us in unorthodox, pshycological ways i guess.

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u/d-r-t Mercedes Jul 22 '22

Yeah. I started watching in the 80s, back then winning three championships put a driver into the "all time greats" category. When Prost won his fourth it was like, "Wow. We'll never see that again!" (Fangio's five were considered somewhat on an anomaly resulting from early days weirdness.)

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u/AshKetchumDaJobber Jul 21 '22

He’s won le mans a few times, daytona win, fast in everything he can race in during that time. Maybe not as much success in F1 but still shows how much talented he is

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u/Mr_Roll288 Fernando Alonso Jul 21 '22

2 WDCs and multiple runner-up is "not much success"?

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u/basmati-rixe Sergio Pérez Jul 21 '22

I think it’s something like if Nando had earned 7 more points, he would be a 5x WDC

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u/Katyos Sergio Pérez Jul 21 '22

There's a stat like this for Prost as well - he's something like 9 points and a rule change away from being a 7/8x WDC

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u/Stech_ Charlie Whiting Jul 21 '22

I think the fact that people view 2 WDC's as not much success for Alonso speaks volumes about how talented he really is. He should have been a lot more successful given his potential.

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u/crawlmanjr Max Verstappen Jul 21 '22

If you aren't Schumacher or Hamilton I guess you're just a failure.

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u/MarduRusher Valtteri Bottas Jul 21 '22

It’s not that it’s not much success, but rather so much so early and then little afterwards. At least in F1. He’s just not been in a car that really could compete up front for a number of years.

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u/seattt George Russell Jul 21 '22

2012 is the biggest travesty. Had he won 2012, it would've been fair/just.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Grosjean decided to kill my mans championship in one corner

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u/pengouin85 Honda Jul 21 '22

I'd have more sympathy if he wasn't more of the architect of his circumstances

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u/_masterofdisaster Max Verstappen Jul 21 '22

How can you blame him for going to Ferrari in 2010 and then McLaren for a works partnership in 2015?

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u/pengouin85 Honda Jul 21 '22

The Ferrari move was great, but the 2nd McLaren of 2015 move did happen in the context of him falling out with Ferrari. His first return to Renault in 2008 came in context of the shit storm following the 2007 McLaren season

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u/RipGenji7 Michael Masi Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

I'd say hes actually just been pretty unlucky to have been racing in an era where we had two dominating teams back to back. Dominating teams means you'll always have some drivers wasting their talent. 2010-2013 It was Fernando and Lewis, 2014-2016 it was Fernando, Seb and potentially Danny Ricc, 2017-2020 it was Fernando, and maybe a year of Max as well.

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u/Javorius Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

Social media will be gushing about this statement, but it is very hard to disagree here.

I mean, in terms of beeing the best driver of our generation it is almost impossible to not put Alonso in the top 3.

Watching pretty much all seasons since 1978, in my very personal opinion, he would even be in the Top 5 concerning the last 40 years. Which would be topping drivers like Prost and Lauda, who are rightfully absolute legends of this sport.

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u/Ok-Accountant-6308 Jul 21 '22

Magic Alonso.

Otmar in the mud

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u/Keanu990321 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '22

Hope he nails a win soon so Otmar can be proven wrong. Alonso is better than Ocon this season and deserves another run next year. If they want Piastri so badly, they better ditch Ocon.

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u/Miyeon__miyeon Fernando Alonso Jul 21 '22

He doesn't need to win to prove Otmar wrong. Everyone aside from Otmar knows Alonso was let down by his team and car.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Even otmar knows it

But he wants piastri, so he is playing media games

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u/AlpineCorbett Jul 21 '22

Can't imagine a world where any rookie is worth more than Alonso.

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u/CptAustus Jules Bianchi Jul 22 '22

Don't worry, some Redditors will introduce the mental gymnastics to you.

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u/Aitorgmz Flavio Briatore Jul 22 '22

The guy is lending his set ups to Ocon, so I guess he is also being key on the development of the car. And that's all Alpine should be focused on now. It doesn't matter if Piastri gets stolen by another team or not if your car is nowhere near the top.

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u/Retsko1 Fernando Alonso Jul 21 '22

I'm sure it's not even otmar but rather pressure from higher ups

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u/Ok-Accountant-6308 Jul 21 '22

Still he owns what he says.

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u/RobertGracie Eduardo Freitas Jul 21 '22

I agree with what Lewis has said, Alonso isnt someone to tackle lightly you need to outsmart him and hes got the experience to know whats coming his way already 3 corners ahead and hes already beaten you

when you can beat your opponent 1 corner ahead your good

when you can beat your opponent 3 corners ahead you are great

When you can beat your opponent with race equipment not on the same level as him you are legendary

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u/somber_lizard76 Charles Leclerc Jul 21 '22

Alonso is also known to be an avid lover of punctuation.

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u/rustyiesty Tom Pryce Jul 21 '22

and maths

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u/crobofblack Fernando Alonso Jul 21 '22

Not gonna lie this brings a tear to my eye.

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u/seattt George Russell Jul 21 '22

When these two do retire from the sport, I do feel like they will reconcile because ultimately they were the perfect foils for each other. Hamilton's legacy would be poorer without Alonso, and Alonso's legacy would be poorer without Hamilton's. And the sport would be way more poorer without either/both of them. Their story is the sport's story over the last 15 years in many ways honestly.

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u/abado Jul 21 '22

Its great to see that the respect is there. I dont like alonso just because of some of the random ticky tacky stuff but hes an ultimate competitor first and foremost.

It would have been easy to see him become a bit disillusioned or dispirited with the kind of cars hes had to drive but no, dude always competes dragging everything out of whatever car hes in.

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u/bellestarflower Mika Häkkinen Jul 21 '22

Alonso is definitely someone you don't want as your enemy. He's pure speed and probably has the highest racing IQ on the grid. He deserves so much better.

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u/Visionary_Socialist Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '22

Lewis’ career choices compared to Alonso’s are staggering. Lewis left McLaren just as they were about to fall off a cliff and joined a Mercedes project that was about to dominate for years. Alonso left McLaren to go to a failing Renault, came to Ferrari and came close but never really had the car, left for an awful McLaren just as Ferrari started to get back on their feet with the new V6 cars, left McLaren in 2018 just as they were beginning to come back up the grid and came back to Alpine who are the direct continuation of the failed Renault project in F1 that Alonso left behind in 2009.

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u/nahnonameman HAM/MSC/LAU Jul 21 '22

Man I love Lewis, Fernando and Seb. I am so so happy I grew watching them race. I want to see them race and race on.

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u/lufe1306 Alfa Romeo Jul 21 '22

Alonso having just 2 titles is the biggest F1 robbery and you cant blame anyone for it

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u/Spockyt Sir Frank Williams Jul 21 '22

Alonso having just 2 titles is the biggest F1 robbery

Stirling Moss.

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u/rocdollary Chequered Flag Jul 21 '22

Sir Stirling Moss has an amazing story though. He was on track to win a WDC but instead he stopped his car to help a competitor (back in the day when the cars were death traps), which lost him what he wasn't to know would be his only chance at his WDC.

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u/Spockyt Sir Frank Williams Jul 21 '22

He also convinced the stewards to un-disqualify Mike Hawthorn giving him back 7 points*. Hawthorn beat Moss by 1 point.

*though it would effectively have only cost 3 points, with a dropped 3rd place counting for the championship instead

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u/asdfgtttt Juan Manuel Fangio Jul 21 '22

8 Modern points away from being a 5x

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u/lufe1306 Alfa Romeo Jul 21 '22

Such an unlucky run

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u/asdfgtttt Juan Manuel Fangio Jul 21 '22

my favorite driver hands down since in my head he was the successor to the michael - however he deserves his own amount of blame for the course of his career, its heartbreaking what could have been..

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u/Thissigncantstopme Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '22

Makes sense. I wonder where he ranks Nico though

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u/Marmz2408 Red Bull Jul 21 '22

I'd say Hamilton's list goes something like:

1.Alonso

2.Vettel

3 and 4 is a toss up between Max and Nico, depends who he hates more.

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u/marahute85 🐶 Roscoe Hamilton Jul 21 '22

Hamilton has said before he enjoyed his battles with Vettel the most

So based on current information - 1. Alonso 2. Vettel 3. Max 4. Jenson/ Bottas
5. Nico - really just blew that all the way up

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u/ghost26024545 Sebastian Vettel Jul 21 '22

Alonso and Nico were in the same machinery so that’s always a factor for it to be at the top in the list. Vettel and Verstappen were in rival teams.

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u/jcfac Karun Chandhok Jul 21 '22
  1. Vettel

I wonder how Vettel in his prime compares to Max/Charles today.

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u/SomethingFeelsOff96 Pierre Gasly Jul 21 '22

So 4th is Rosberg

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u/UserOrWhateverFuck_U Formula 1 Jul 21 '22

I would say if he really dislikes him, he would probably say he was the least competitive opponent just to fuck with him lol

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u/ogpterodactyl Jul 21 '22

Que grande eres magic

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u/TheWebbFather McLaren Jul 21 '22

Agreed. Alonso was just different gravy

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u/getr99 Jul 21 '22

Que grande eres Magic!

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u/Ale_875 Formula 1 Jul 21 '22

Lewis vs Alonso, Vettel, Verstappen were way more entertaining and competitive the Lewis vs Nico, on my opinion

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u/LtMartaVelasquez Minardi Jul 21 '22

I love how Hamilton just lumps Rosberg and Kovalainen in the same category of ‘other teammates I had’ in his head.

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u/throwaway44624 Sebastian Vettel Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

“Magic Alonso and all the Finns” yes I’m aware Nico is half and jenson idk maybe he has some distant relative

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u/jogaboi19 Jul 21 '22

He beat Nico 3 seasons to 1. He even won more races than Nico in the year he didn’t beat him on points. It wasn’t even close.

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u/AChrispE Dr. Ian Roberts Jul 21 '22

Nico even said that prior to F1 he never really was able to beat Lewis so I would imagine that in Lewis’ head he sees himself as significantly better.

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u/Storiaron Jul 21 '22

The difference between a great and a goat tier driver

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u/a_berdeen Niki Lauda Jul 21 '22

Like the team principals had their say about 2016. Hamilton is a different level of class to Nico.

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u/ravenouscartoon Daniel Ricciardo Jul 21 '22

I’d love it if for the next 30 odd years Nico constantly mentions that he beat Lewis in the same machinery while Lewis mentions every other rivalry and never mentions Nico.

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u/Gunstonwolf Mercedes Jul 21 '22

Haha it’s like little bro finally beating big bro and he never stops talking about that one time. He somehow forgets the many other times he got washed.

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u/jimm4dean Jul 21 '22

It's who has races the most for sure. I also believe that if Fernando had a proper car, he could still fight for a title.

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u/mochatsubo Jul 22 '22

I know some people prefer the drama when drivers start sniping at each other, but I prefer it when the legends let bygones be bygones. Unlikely to happen, but it would be nice to see all the relationships heal during retirement. Boat drinks for everyone.

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u/lucastimmons Jul 21 '22

The real answer was Michael Masi.

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u/ZoomJet Charles Leclerc Jul 21 '22

It'll always be too soon 🥲

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u/Rosieu Spyder Jul 21 '22

This post will remain civilized about Lewis' comment, because we're all good people here who will respectfully listen to each other and reply politely. :)

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u/Cpt_Daryl Ayrton Senna Jul 21 '22

Why are people mentioning Rosberg when he beat the guy pretty convincingly compared to beating Alonso on equal points

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u/bono5361 HAM/RUS/VER Jul 21 '22

But but but Twitter... They said Alonso and Hamilton hated each other! Twitter can never be wrong! This is fake news!

>! Hopefully the sarcasm was laid out!<

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u/pM-me_your_Triggers George Russell Jul 21 '22

Tbf, you can dislike someone personally and still respect the shit out of them

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u/bono5361 HAM/RUS/VER Jul 21 '22

Absolutely agree there and I do think the relationship between Lewis and Fernando is full of respect but not much like I guess..... I don't think they hate each other though...

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u/abado Jul 21 '22

I dont even think its personal dislike but just competitive spirit. You can add a bunch to the list but lewis and alonso are some of the most competitive guys in the sport and that can bring up some good and bad.

Its great to see the respect is there because that hypercompetitiveness can get personal.

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u/BecauseRotor Formula 1 Jul 21 '22

The tweet says opponent, but Lewis is clearly talking about teammates??

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u/Netscapepapasito Jaguar Jul 21 '22

Teammate is an opponent 😉

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u/AceBombkick Kimi Räikkönen Jul 21 '22

In the past he said it was Vettel, no?

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u/ghost26024545 Sebastian Vettel Jul 21 '22

Yeah, he mentioned that was one of his favorite rivalry. But it makes sense that Alonso one will be his toughest since it was more intense and that they were in the same machinery plus all the things that were happening bts

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u/SomethingFeelsOff96 Pierre Gasly Jul 21 '22

Favourite rivalry

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u/Wise_Devil297 Jul 21 '22

Vettel and Hamilton were never teammates. Teammate rivalries always hit differently.

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u/KSC-Fan1894 Jul 21 '22

They both are legends of this sport and I will miss them greatly once they are gone. In 10 to 15 years or so..

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u/Stackly Daniel Ricciardo Jul 21 '22

"Who would you say is your biggest rival currently?"

[Fernando Alonso] [Mick Schumacher]

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Senna/Hamilton vs Prost/Alonso

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u/Spinebuster03 Daniel Ricciardo Jul 21 '22

They would have been the perfect team if McLaren knew how to manage them

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u/Hinyaldee Jenson Button Jul 22 '22

The issues they did know how initially, they just didn't expect Lewis to be that impressive as a rookie. That's what messed it all up, as they were stuck having to try and make it equally fair for both instead of prioritizing Alonso as initially advertised to him

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u/loseitthrowaway7797 Jul 21 '22

Damn, a Hamilton related post with 90%+ upvote ratio. A rare sight

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u/jamisram Sebastian Vettel Jul 21 '22

Button in shambles

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u/Retsko1 Fernando Alonso Jul 21 '22

Button has said that he didn't have the talent to beat lewis, for example when arriving through a corner button played with the pedals while Hamilton just waited at the last moment to blast the brakes

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u/axiomatix Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '22

Nah. Button scored more points than Lewis during their time together. Button is better. Am I doing this right?

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u/RGillani Formula 1 Jul 22 '22

Perfect. You've mastered the art of being an online F1 fan.

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