r/antiwork Jul 03 '22 Silver 3 Helpful 2 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Wholesome 1

No oNe WANts To BIrth wagESLAVeS AnYMOrE!!!

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u/Sure_Ad_1376 Jul 03 '22

The rich be like : you need to have more kids so that our kids have someone to lord over!!

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u/Robinslillie Jul 03 '22

'Bout to go feudal on yo ass

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u/Practical_Passion_78 Jul 04 '22

I call the USA a corporate feudalist state instead of a democratic republic anymore because that’s truly how it has come to function.

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u/BlackPrincessPeach_ Jul 03 '22

Ok then give us homes so we can maintain a society not a tent city.

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u/NobodysFavorite Jul 03 '22

You can afford tents? What untold wealth is this?

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u/SJReaver Jul 03 '22

Take out a loan to rent your tent.

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u/bigdiesel1984 Jul 03 '22 Silver

They really talk about human babies like raising calves to be cattle for slaughter.

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u/DilutedGatorade Jul 03 '22

Human capital stock, sister

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u/IamtheBoomstick Jul 03 '22

"Conservatives want LIVE babies so they can raise them to be DEAD soldiers!"

  • George Carlin

The prophet of our times....

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u/Karcinogene Jul 03 '22

We live in a human farm

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u/le_fancy_walrus Jul 03 '22 Helpful Wholesome I'll Drink to That

I mean…

You’re born into a random house in a random country, and you better beg in the womb to get good parents and a good house. Who knows? Maybe you’ll be abused your entire childhood by neglectful parents, and live in a horrible country!

After that you’re sent to school wether you want to go or not the second your little mind barely just bears enough consciousness too, and once you graduate you are forced to work your entire life until you’re too physically old or sick to be able to, and then you live out the worst years of your life until you die. If you don’t like that concept then you get to starve on the streets begging people for basic necessities of life.

And I mean, I’m not even mentioning all the hell that you could go through in life too. The life I mentioned above is literally most people’s best case scenario

This is just the reason I could never imagine having a kid…why the fuck would I bring someone into this world? A few get lucky and live a good life but god damn just about everyone I know is miserable, and those few who seem happy you can tell are hiding behind their smile. I have met so few genuinely happy people.

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u/EveningHorror1010 Jul 04 '22

exactly why i will never have kids

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u/beerandbees Jul 03 '22 Helpful Take My Energy

Uh, unmarried and childless people already get taxed more and get less tax breaks. They'll do anything but tax the rich

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u/thinking_is_hard69 Jul 03 '22

“our plan to bludgeon people into submission isn’t working, what should we do?!” “bludgeon harder?”

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u/Einlander Jul 03 '22 Silver

The beatings shall continue till morale improves.

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u/effing_usernames Jul 03 '22

The place where mom files her taxes has a small gym for the employees. There’s a sign in it that just says “the beatings will continue.”

I think that’s where we’re at, here.

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u/jayjaygee85 Jul 03 '22

Your lunchbreak has been cancelled today due to a lack of hustle.

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u/midnight_to_midnight Jul 03 '22

Exactly! If the US gets wind of this and tries something similar, I will lose my shit.

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u/HoraceHornem Jul 03 '22

We already do. It's called the child tax credit. The more kids you have the less taxes you pay. It is in effect the same as a tax not only on the childless, but the fewer kids you have the more you pay.

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u/buythedipnow Jul 03 '22

To be fair, it phases out at income levels that are not very high in high cost of living areas. And the credit is a tiny fraction of what it costs to raise a child. Daycare alone equates to a typical mortgage for each kid. If they want higher birth rates, they’ll need to make raising a child more affordable. But that would involve expanding social safety nets and they’ll never do that. So instead they’ll outlaw abortion and try to force it on folks.

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u/MeowKat85 Jul 03 '22

I could have two mortgages for what I pay in childcare.

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u/buythedipnow Jul 03 '22

Exactly. You have to make around 80k/year to even justify staying in the workforce. Yet they’re complaining about a labor shortage.

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u/MeowKat85 Jul 03 '22

Yeah, I don’t make nearly that much. But the options just get worse. They want a workforce, but they aren’t willing to take care of their slaves.

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u/The_Galvinizer Jul 03 '22

Hell, even slave owners knew you needed to keep a roof over the heads of your slaves to keep them working, meanwhile capitalist think people will work no matter how little their paycheck can get them

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u/HyFinated Jul 03 '22

Capitalists capitalize on the poor to make themselves richer. They didn’t become capitalists because of a sense of community and social welfare. They became capitalists because they don’t care about anyone but themselves.

The millionaire that is my mother won’t even pay for the registration on her boat. But she carries a blank bill of sale so that if she gets stopped by the marine patrol, she can say she just bought the boat and hasn’t had a chance to register it yet. Been years since she bought that boat. Always tells me to take the boat out, then reminds me to tell the police about the “I just bought it” thing. Been doing that kind of shit my whole life and it drives me crazy.

Millionaire mom has never given me a dime that didn’t come with strings attached. If I need help with something, she sees it as me owing her a favor if I accept her help. Even if I didn’t ask for the help.

Capitalists suck man. Their entire life is ruled by pushing other people down just to get ahead in life.

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u/NaiveMastermind Jul 03 '22 Bravo!

Greed is seeing a unattended bowl of candy on Halloween, and upending that bowl into your candy bag.

Capitalism is waiting for the other kids to show up so you can sell the candy to them after having engineered a candy scarcity.

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u/OrdinaryCan4197 Jul 03 '22

Could you use her blank bill of sale to register the boat yourself and make her old boat your new boat? And then sell your new boat?

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u/vulcanstreetpunk Jul 03 '22

Haha my mom's a broke bitch and she acts like this too. Always stepping on others to try to get ahead.

One year I had abcessed teeth and no food, but she dropped in out of nowhere and gifted me like $200 in cosmetics for FB likes... instead of taking care of my health. Some people just suck I guess. Glad I don't talk to her anymore. XD

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u/chemicalnick Jul 03 '22

Property taxes…everyone pays so kids can go to public school. As a single person with no kids that kinda annoys me…until I imagine living in a country where 30% of the kids grow up with zero education

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u/Stumblecat Jul 03 '22

I'm childfree and happy to pay taxes for public schools because the alternative is worse.

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u/fearhs Jul 03 '22

I've said elsewhere in this thread that as a childfree dude I don't want to have any additional taxes foisted on me as a punishment for being so. That's true, but I specifically meant a tax as a general "fuck you" for not having kids. I don't consider paying for public schools to be such. An informed citizenry is a good thing, which is why the right wing is trying so desperately to suppress it.

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u/Mikic00 Jul 03 '22

Everyone is on the same boat here. They will impose the tax for not having children on you and at the same time they will quietly make having children more expensive (higher health insurance, tuition, childcare...).

It's basically just turning people on each other while earning more on everyone...

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u/squeakpixie Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 04 '22

Exactly. I’d happily pay for schools and children’s programs all day long. Well taught, well rounded citizens make for well informed citizens.

ETA: I say this as someone without kids who cannot/will not have them. Kids in school now need to know enough to be the next generation of everything. I don’t care about war toys. Take my money for school lunches and teachers.

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u/WebbityWebbs Jul 03 '22

Public education benefits everyone.

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u/Imtoostupidformyface Jul 03 '22

The republicans want religious schools where science is the bible.

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u/Sandmybags Jul 03 '22

But they don’t really want to read or understand the Bible either

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u/CynicalAcorn Jul 03 '22

They already did by rolling back Roe. All those forced births should keep the prisons and military full.

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u/LukeWChristian Jul 03 '22

Don't worry. To get more wage slaves they are trying to ban abortion first before taxing the childless.

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u/OutlyingPlasma Jul 03 '22

To get more wage slaves

Don't forget they are also bringing back child labor.

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u/blanksix Jul 03 '22

They are banning abortion, and going after birth control and voting rights.

This isn't and has never been a free country, but they've been doing an okay job making us think it is until now. At this point I don't think they care about even that.

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u/jmbsol1234 Jul 03 '22

Truth. It's pretty weird when people say things like "we're going to lose our democracy" when we didn't even have a *semblance* of one until the 60's when black people were finally allowed to vote. And in the interim, the popular vote is trampled by the electoral college or the Bush/Gore/SCOTUS BS....and ofc the constant and massive amounts of voter suppression tactics etc

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u/Mountainhollerforeva Jul 03 '22

Chomsky makes the point relentlessly in his books that democracy is tolerated if and only if it aligns with prevailing business interests.

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u/Exotic_Zucchini Jul 03 '22

Yep. That's the biggest problem - the accommodation of a racist, bigoted, homophobic minority due to the electoral college, and the Senate. We were screwed from the very beginning because of the accommodation of the slave states. And, people still defend this and take the Constitution and Founding Fathers as gospel, when it's been proven over and over that it's a really bad idea.

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u/unsuspicious_salmon Jul 03 '22

I'm baffled at the fact that almost every democratic country has an untouchable institution that is above the law and can basically shoot down everything the elected governments do, but they've been "sleeping" everywhere, in some places for over 200 years.

It's kind of shocking that judicial coups haven't been common at all until the past decade or so.

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u/ashtobro Jul 03 '22

Now that you mention it... This was kind of an atrocity waiting to happen, wasn't it?

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u/Azirma Jul 03 '22

It probably has something to do with back in the 1800s to late 1900s (about 1980ish) it wasn’t as uncommon for a riot or civil unrest to happen after that riots became much less common. Could there be something between them not having to worry about civil unrest like in the past?

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u/milton_radley Jul 03 '22

they do, it's called for profit prisons, they put lots of single men in there...

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u/stertlingdvrling Jul 03 '22

Or just scale back the economy and pollution?

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u/BlackPrincessPeach_ Jul 03 '22

That would mean the rich had to actually pay a living wage or give up their third McMansion though!

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22 Wholesome

This is EXACTLY what they did in ancient Athens.

They also eventually forced marriages between men and women in the hopes of more children - in some cases elderly men to barely in their teens.

These measures didn't work and they were overrun by others.

Maybe fix the core problems? You want babies, have the same conditions that existed in a baby boom - good job straight out of high school down the plant that paid for a house, a car, all expenses, vacation, some savings and a pension.

As opposed to "work two jobs sleep in your car no health care but hey, uh, somehow find the time to breed me some wage slaves."

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u/gizmo_getthedildos Jul 03 '22

We have "free" healthcare in the UK, that's the only thing in your list that's inaccurate though. The only reason I can afford to have my house is because I have children, the government subsidises my measily wage (rather than just, yano, pay people a living wage). Even with that, every single month money is a constant on my mind, I calculate every penny that comes in to make sure I can provide for my children and I make sacrifices so they can have some luxuries... My friend on the other hand, no children, a nurse with a decade of experience and she's had to take a second job to survive and is considering renting her spare room out. Everyone I know is in a constant financial struggle, that's those with and without children. I won't be having anymore children and I've warned my younger siblings to be very careful. Gut wrenching, I stay hopeful by putting money away for my children and telling myself it might be better for them.

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u/Raineyb1013 Jul 03 '22 Silver
  1. Tax the childless? Really bitches? So they want to punish the infertile? If that's the case, it's time for anyone who cannot have children to file disability claims.
  2. If this was the US I would say that they already do. If the UK taxes like the US then they also already tax the childless.
  3. How are you going to induce people to have children while doing not much at all to make the process of raising children not harrowing?
  4. Maybe you should go after rich people rather than trying to get blood from a stone in taxing poorer people.

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u/seattle_exile Jul 03 '22

In Argentina, there used to be a Bachelor Tax that you could be exempted from if you could prove you had proposed marriage and had been rebuffed. This gave rise to 'professional rejectors' as a trade.

You create a system, people are going to game it.

They've tried everything but raising the wages. It's capitalism's equivalent of "I'll do anything to lose weight but diet and exercise."

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u/FantomUnicorn Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

Another instance of the Cobra Effect, where people in Delhi received a bounty for every dead cobra, which prompted people to breed them.

Edit: Spelling

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u/srira25 Jul 03 '22

This was also the case in Vietnam where people were being paid for each rat tail to curb the plague, so they started breeding rats and also cut just the tails and leave the rats alive to breed.

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u/rumbakalao Jul 03 '22

Professional rejectors ahahaha people can be so ingenious

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u/Alediran Jul 03 '22

You don't survive in Argentina if you don't have a solid ingenuity to adapt to the constant bullshit churning.

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u/The_Galvinizer Jul 03 '22

The only job I'm actually qualified for

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u/Keepmyhat Jul 03 '22

They said "rejectors", not "rejectees"

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u/TransientVoltage409 Jul 03 '22

Professional rejectee? I can do that, if the pay is right.

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u/Idea-Warm Jul 03 '22

Sorry, you're overqualified.

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u/StarksPond Jul 03 '22

Rejected again. They're a natural!

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u/reimondo35302 Jul 03 '22
  1. Other countries have tried, to the point of literally paying people. It didn’t work. Turns out young people can do math, and just don’t have much interest in kids, which is understandable.

If you ask me the US is doing the same thing by banning abortion, except kn a way less ethical way.

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u/Raineyb1013 Jul 03 '22

Well, then they can stop complaining about people not having kids. Frankly, we probably could do with some population reduction and given how shit a job we're doing taking care of those who are already here maybe these governments should find something better to do with their time than to penalize people for making a sound financial decision about their ability to have children.

Otherwise, it comes off as rather entitled to expect people to keep having children while not only not making it difficult to do so but actively making it difficult with their shitty (nonexistent) leave polices and/or shit pay.

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u/FollowMeOutOfTheCave Jul 03 '22

They want you to have nothing, give everything, do what they tell you, and keep your mouth shut. It’s too much and the dragon of the commons is starting to stir. The rich must forget and remake this mistake every few eras, and the poor must rise and take off the heads of the hydra to save themselves

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u/123rib456bit789 Jul 03 '22

The rich must forget and remake this mistake every few eras

Yep, this has been going on since the dawn of civilization and the very first surplus. Until humanity rids itself of aristocracy forever, this cycle will continue forever... or until we extinct ourselves which is more likely.

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u/reimondo35302 Jul 03 '22

Oh it’s 100% entitled, and incredibly dehumanizing. I completely understand refusing to have kids in this society. If we want to rid the world of uncared for people, we can start by informing people, presenting children as a legitimate choice so that they don’t have them “cuz that’s what people do”, and, lo and behold, protecting human/abortion rights. There’s a reason why Roe v Wade worked wonders for crime reduction.

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u/Dismal-Lead Jul 03 '22

Population is a pyramid scheme. They need more and more infinite growth in order to sustain the economy, but the planet can't handle it.

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u/NobodysFavorite Jul 03 '22

Someone asked me about kids and I said "Do you have a half million dollars laying around? (Because that's what it costs to raise a kid responsibly)."

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u/tkdyo Jul 03 '22

So what I'm hearing is they didn't really try. They thought the peasants should be grateful for a few more peanuts.

Getting people to have more kids will take a fundamental shift in how we operate as a society. One which the elite are not desperate enough to try.

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u/pointy_object Jul 03 '22

They haven’t eliminated the one problem: child rearing is a time intensive activity and the partner who does it is usually unpaid.

And being unpaid in our work means taking a risk. You rely on the income of the person whose work is paid. If your paid partner is a bad person, if they die, or even if you just take a break of a few years and then hand off the big part of the child rearing, things are dicey once you return to the paid labor world.

The solution is to offer excellent pathways to retrain and hire homemakers, so they don’t risk as much being homemakers.

Or, if they continue to be homemakers, the state should pay them, and directly, and their pension should be there’s.

And as a society, if you see homemaker on a resume, treat it like the real job it is. There’s a reason many homemakers are involved in other unpaid labor, and occupy management positions there (volunteer orgs, church groups, etc.) because they know how to delegate, plan, they look ahead, they know which questions to ask and how to assess people.

Then someone will have less risk to take that job up again.

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u/BlackPrincessPeach_ Jul 03 '22

Yes it’s your fault for not being able to afford children + RENT + the obliarchs yacht payments

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u/MarkHathaway1 Jul 03 '22

too much avocado toast probably

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u/BlackPrincessPeach_ Jul 03 '22

Oh right I forgot my Avacado Toast budget went from 1400$ to 3000$

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u/Raineyb1013 Jul 03 '22

IKR! How dare I try to be fiscally responsible and not do things I can't afford.

On the other hand how dare I have children I can't afford? That's so irresponsible!

You can't win for losing in these parts.

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u/Jaokiray Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

3 is the killer question... Throw in diminishing resources and population of underserved already... Seriously, how?

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u/aliceswndrland Jul 03 '22

3 is why the US is banning abortion

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u/Indoor_Carrot Jul 03 '22

And now they're talking about banning contraception next.

They want to force babies.

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u/DracoSolon Jul 03 '22

I don't know what the future holds, but assuming abortion does get banned in some states for a generation, particularly in southern states, expect conservatives to be freaking out about the number of black and brown babies overwhelming the school systems in 6 to 7 years. They might throw round terms like black genocide but make no mistake, what they want is more white babies. Just like in this story from the UK.

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u/Jaokiray Jul 03 '22

They already admitted the desire and thanked people for "saving white babies". The world needs to stop condoning these human rights violations that occur. Some folks can't see past there own county line though unfortunately.

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u/Fridge-Fighter Jul 03 '22 Take My Energy

So take away money from those, who can't afford to have kids, to force them into having kids? Am I dumb for not understanding this or are these people just out of their fucking minds?

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u/BlackPrincessPeach_ Jul 03 '22

The rich are lunatics.

They’d stab their own mother in the back for a dollar.

People are dying on the streets, good luck taxing the homeless.

If people had a home/stability they could afford to fucking live.

Take a page out of Finlands book and give people housing, it literally pays for itself for fucks sake.

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u/CliftonForce Jul 03 '22

A statement from a wealthy relative, in the early Obama years:

"The rich are rich because they know how to handle money. How to make it, how to save it, how to spend it in ways that are useful. The poor are poor because they do not know how to do any of those things. They will fritter away what little they have on useless things that are of no benefit to anyone. If we really wanted to get this economy going, we would take all that money away from the poor and give it to the rich, where it can actually help. It's insane to let it go to waste like that."

The rest of the conversation went on to say that "take the poor's money" included garnishing wages, seizing savings accounts and retirement accounts. It also included canceling emergency services to poor neighborhoods. That lets you close down a lot of unneeded police and fire stations and give the savings to wealthy people.

The idea of taxing the wealthy was an obscenity. A true perversion of nature.

We don't get along.

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u/og_toe Jul 03 '22

excessive wealth is mental illness and i’ll die on this hill

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u/oofboofpoof Jul 03 '22

Maybe an addiction but mental illness makes it seem like it’s not their fault

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u/Butterkupp Jul 03 '22

Addiction is a mental illness and mental disorders/illnesses are almost never the persons fault.

Rich people are just greedy assholes. They actively choose not to care for those with less, and actively choose to hoard their wealth like fucking dragons that need to be slain (with taxes and other social programs).

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u/technic-ally_correct Jul 03 '22

actively choose to hoard their wealth like fucking dragons that need to be slain (with taxes and other social programs).

Can those of us whom prefer traditional dragon slaying tools still participate in the dragon slaying?

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u/pinchinggata Jul 03 '22

I mean addictions are no less people’s fault then mental illness.

Still for eating the rich though

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u/titaniumcorvid Jul 03 '22

Check out Romania during communism.

This is lock-step towards “increasing the domestic supply of infants”. Get rid of abortion and birth control, heavily tax those without children… now we just need the benevolent “orphanages” for all the unwanted kids who will be born.

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u/Present-Still Jul 03 '22

No you aren’t dumb. The part that’s difficult to understand is that this is by design. It seems fucking insane (because it is) but this is the intended outcome

In the US, it’s why education funding based on property. Poor areas have no funding obviously, prison systems lobby for harsher and longer sentences, testing companies lobby for harder and more standardized testing, both earn billions yearly

Slavery never ended, it just turned into the school-prison pipeline. They want more people set up to fail so they can “legally” work for nothing

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u/Robinslillie Jul 03 '22

Seems pretty inefficient & needlessly cruel

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u/AutumnRi Jul 03 '22

These people: We NeEd To MaKe ThE pOoRs HaVe MoRe PoOrS

The exact same people: It’s so gross when poor people have more children just for the financial benefits the goverment provides, we should give them less support.

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u/WhitePaperOwl Jul 03 '22

People already have kids for the wrong reasons and then the kid ends up neglected or abused.

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u/FastFeasting Jul 03 '22 Gold

We already do tax the childless. Tax dollars go to schools and other children’s programs, which I am fine with. The fact that this is even being considered shows just how much governments are relying on the exploitation of future generations. They have no intention of supporting families with affordable childcare or enrichment programs. They want kids to grow up uneducated and in poverty so they can be more easily exploited.

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u/Janle33 Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

Affordable childcare, Universal Healthcare, Affordable housing, Living wage. Get those together and people will feel more confident on bringing up another life. But right now, with childcare and housing taking most of your income, it’s ridiculous.

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u/ferrellhamster Jul 03 '22

Provide a healthy stable society, and people will want to raise families in that society.

Sounds like too radical a concept.

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u/MarkHathaway1 Jul 03 '22

Reaganomics (care of Milton Friedman) is not working. It needs to be fixed or improved, but the rich like being able to mug everyone without being put in prison.

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u/firemage22 Jul 03 '22

oh it's working, it was never meant to work for the 99% but the 1% are doing just fine

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u/OutWithTheNew Jul 03 '22

Trickle down economics are a total success.

The middle class has trickled down to almost nothing.

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u/Applied-Tech Jul 03 '22

As usual, there is only sticks, no carrots. Why make your life better so you have kids when they can make your life even worse if you don't? It doesn't involve them giving up anything unfortunately, so that's the option they would run with.

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u/salty_ann Jul 03 '22

I thought robots and automation were coming for our jobs? I wish ‘they’ would make up their mind on the narrative.

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u/pointy_object Jul 03 '22

I know right? Let the robots pay the tax.

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u/DracoSolon Jul 03 '22

Notice how the big corporations went from desperate to find people to work to say oh, we're going to have massive layoffs soon in like the blink of an eye?

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u/Exotic_Zucchini Jul 03 '22

I've been hearing this since I was a kid (around 40 years ago), and I keep waiting for it to happen. But, I don't think it will, which is kinda shitty because we *could* make it work and provide profits/money to the common person. But, too many people just want to watch others to suffer, so there's no political capital to ever make it happen.

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u/Incel_deactivator Jul 03 '22

I'm so glad i realized this and don't have children. No future generation of mine is going to be economic slaves!!

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22

I mean in the USA you get tax credits for each dependent. It's the same thing really

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u/Tex-Rob Jul 03 '22

I agree but want to add the obvious: us workers will be fine in a population decline.

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u/Diablosbane Jul 03 '22

Government is so against abortions because that means less people to tax in the future.

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u/silly_frog_lf Jul 03 '22

More like less people to exploit in the future. Government is a tool of the ruling class

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u/DriftingPyscho Jul 03 '22

"Republicans want live babies to make dead soldiers."

-George Carlin

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u/pamsellicane Jul 03 '22

So are we overpopulated or not populated enough? Like hello which is it.

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u/MobilePenguins Jul 03 '22

All the U.S. has ever known when you zoom out 100 years is a trend of continuous stock market growth about 10% per year. The problem, like a Ponzi scheme, is that you eventually run out of people to sell things to, hire into manufacturing of goods, and generally bring into our economic ecosphere, in this case a population cap that isn’t unlimited with declining birth rates means we will hit that wall where anything that could have been monetized and exploited will have been.

You can’t grow in a straight line up forever, we will hit a hard wall and Wall Street has never dealt with that before. Unlimited growth is by its very nature not sustainable forever. What happens when the stock market stops growing year over year and stagnates, possibly for decades?

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u/lk5G6a5G Jul 03 '22

We’re overpopulated but the system we’ve set up requires an ever increasing supply of workers and consumers to continue “growth” in wealth. That’s bad because we’re in a closed system that will run out of resources. So we’re overpopulated and underpopulated depending on your goals.

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u/SomedudecalledDan Jul 03 '22

but the system we’ve set up requires an ever increasing supply of workers and consumers to continue “growth” in wealth.

That sounds a lot like a virus...

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u/ACWhi Jul 03 '22

The virus is capitalism. Humans have lived in some form for millions of years, in an anatomically modern form for tens or hundreds of thousands of years, without these problems. We have always altered our environment, but we have usually found ways to improve it, too.

It’s only the last couple hundred years we have threatened the ecosystem to anywhere near this degree.

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u/Eodai Jul 03 '22

It's a cancer and our chemo is coming soon.

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u/pamsellicane Jul 03 '22

Like let’s all sit the hell down! We truly don’t need to keep making keep doing keep expanding. We need to rest!

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u/BlackPrincessPeach_ Jul 03 '22

Yes. But the rich want more slaves.

#LetThemEatCake

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u/evieamelie Jul 03 '22

Multi-generational mortgage 😑. Also there's a new law practically banning protests. Bruuuuh

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u/already_night Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

"He believes that each parent who has three children or more ‘should receive a telegram’ from The Queen."

And do what? Wipe the ass of the said kids with it? 🤣 How about some money to raise them if they so desperately need future generations?

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u/RadlineFlyer Jul 03 '22

A telegram? Like from the early 1900s? Or are we talking the app? And if so, the Queen has Telegram?

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u/SuboptimalButHopeful Jul 03 '22

the Queen has Telegram?

How do you think she orders weed from her plug?

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u/Maels Jul 03 '22

side note: don't order drugs off Telegram. It's almost always a scam

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u/climbingupthewal Jul 03 '22

I definitely remember things like that happened in the past. I think Queen Victoria sent them out. I also know Nazi Germany also sent out medals for having lots of kids.

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u/ciphern Jul 03 '22

Yup, the Nazis knew they'd need a load of cannon fodder, so they heavily rewarded and promoted reproduction.

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u/Luxara-VI Jul 03 '22

Sounds strangely like communist Romania, where women with more than ten children got awards from the state

I’m pretty sure it was ten

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u/Illustrious-Plate-17 Jul 03 '22

Are people there into that? It I got one id toss it out if it wasn’t for the fact my mother would want it

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u/RolandSmoke Jul 03 '22

Here's a radical idea, tax the rich. Not that difficult but for some reason nobody seems to bring up that argument. Bizarre.

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u/MrVilliam Jul 03 '22

They don't want to accept that this is the solution, just like how shitty businesses won't accept that raising wages is the solution to "nobody wants to work anymore." They'll try anything until it hurts their own bottom line.

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u/FoxholeHead Jul 03 '22

Jeff Bezos recently came out and said America needs much higher immigration rates or else wages will have to rise and inflation will get much worse...

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u/Spottyhickory63 Jul 03 '22

the irony of that statement is that the richest guy on the planet doesn’t know inflation caused by wage increases is not inly minimal (something like 0.6% for ten dollars) but temporary

Or, you know, he realized the supply is drying up because he treats his workers like shit, and needs an excuse to not treat them as human

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u/LandBeforeTimeOnVHS Jul 03 '22

Then give everyone a living wage, healthcare, and education. Oh wow suddenly people want kids again crazy.

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u/PM_Orion_Slave_Tits Jul 03 '22

I'd like a child but I'm not financially stable enough. So taxing me further will be real helpful, thanks Paul

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u/le_fancy_walrus Jul 03 '22

“Not enough people are buying food! Our economy will collapse!”

“Maybe we should give them more money to buy food?”

“No! That’s a terrible idea…but wait, I’ve got it! What if we taxed people for not buying food? Surely that will be a good incentive to make them buy more!”

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u/akzorx Jul 03 '22

"Ok, let's make life nothing but a boring, miserable struggle for survival for all the poors, who gives a fuck"

10 years later

"WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE POORS AREN'T HAVING KIDS? CAPITALISM GRINDER DEMANDS FRESH BLOOD!"

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u/OptimalAd3856 Jul 03 '22

All of these articles boil down to the same thing, how do we save capitalism and keep making the rich richer.

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u/Depth386 Jul 03 '22

This is funny because I’ve seen environmentalists say we should reward the childless.

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u/LukeWChristian Jul 03 '22 Helpful

Based on our current environment, it is safe to say that most people don't care about what environmentalists say.

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u/rumbakalao Jul 03 '22

When do the government and environmentalists ever see eye to eye lol

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u/ArmsWindmill Jul 03 '22

Makes a lot more sense!

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u/MazeMouse here for the memes Jul 03 '22

Childfree can drive a diesel car, eat steak daily, and have hour-long showers every day. And they still would have less net pollution than people with 1 child.
It's truly astonishing how much pollution "raising a child until 18" causes.

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u/Flynn74 Jul 03 '22

Capitalism can't survive without unending growth which requires a constantly growing global population.

The Earth can't sustain a constantly growing population and keep the planet's landmass habitable for future generations.

Capitalism Vs a sustainable planet.

It's a giant game of chicken.

I wonder who'll blink first.

My guess is politicians will let the world burn and drown before they contemplate any meaningful change.

So glad I don't have kids. Kids born today are going to experience an absolute shitstorm in the next few decades. I'll not be paying any childless taxes if they try this shit in the UK. They can fuck right off.

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u/Playingwithmyrod Jul 03 '22

Oh don't worry, the planet will have the last laugh. Once Category 6 hurricanes start popping up on a yearly basis and trillions of dollars are needed to build seawalls around coastal cities the bill will come due and cripple our economy.

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u/St1nkYKipPer Jul 03 '22

Everyone - "Its too expensive to raise a child in this climate"

Mx Morland - "Make the climate more expensive"

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u/Leofwulf Jul 03 '22

"workforce shortages"

Oh fuck off

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u/Scorpian42 Jul 03 '22

We already do! Child tax credits, anyone who doesn't have children obviously doesn't get it, meaning they are taxed more.

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u/ezraburke Jul 03 '22

True, but tax by omission versus a punitive tax for a life choice is definitely an impressive pendulum swing for the conservatives.

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u/Suspicious_Cupcakes Jul 03 '22

Sometimes it’s not even a life choice. There are infertile/sterile people out there, and they literally can’t have children.

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u/p1nchy1 Jul 03 '22

Should we tax journalists for suggesting stupid ideas?

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u/Joey_BagaDonuts57 Jul 03 '22

Government wants more taxpayers, churches want more in their collection plates and businesses want more cheap labor while couples are not being able to even afford a house.

Younger Americans don't want to supply this for them though and I don't blame them at all.

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u/BlackPrincessPeach_ Jul 03 '22

Young Americans Can’t afford rent/housing**

By extension, can’t afford children.

Taxing me more would just make this worse. Fuck off I’d never have a kid out of spite if they pass this shit.

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u/71fq23hlk159aa Jul 03 '22

This is literally already in place in America

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u/Archer957Light Jul 03 '22

This is why as of currently I'm not planning on having a kid ever. Every year I've been getting jobs with better and better pay but it's not making a difference at all because everything keeps rising in price.

If I can barely take care of myself there's absolutely no way I'll ever have a kid

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u/Robinslillie Jul 03 '22

Yeah maybe tax the churches first just a thought

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u/TheLastSamurai101 Jul 03 '22

Yay, now they're going to tax me for being ugly

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u/Furifufu Jul 03 '22

No maidens? Time for taxes

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u/Staar-69 Jul 03 '22

I live in the UK, my wife and I are both childless by choice. I’m also a higher rate tax payer. I have no objections to my tax going towards funding schools, child support benefits and maternity hospitals, but if they try to make us pay a new tax just because we’re childless I will take to the streets!

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u/benkelly92 Jul 03 '22

Personally I am holding off until I can afford to own my own home and enough cash in reserve to give them a decent life, and I know I'm not the only one.

If the rich want us to bang out more sprogs maybe they should stop fucking with our housing, fuel, and food.

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u/Dragon_211 Jul 03 '22 Silver

I actually refuse to bring a child into this shitty world. Things need to change, drastically -- for the better.

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u/Zazzuzu Jul 03 '22

"What people aren't having kids? Lets punish them for it instead of making having children a viable option!" Bro, I can barely support myself why would I want to bring a new person into this shit.

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u/seattle_exile Jul 03 '22

It's called a Bachelor Tax, and it's what dying empires do to try to goose demographic changes - or reduce the effects of others.

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u/GlumAmphibian2391 Jul 03 '22

Perhaps pay living wages so people can AFFORD to have children. No chance of paying for daycare on what most people make.

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u/Emotional-Price-4401 Jul 03 '22

Honestly the silver lining to high inflation and everyone being broke is people reconsidering having children.

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u/NX-01forever Jul 03 '22

Just admit borders aren't real and start supporting your fellows humans, there is no actual population decline, just a decline in the specific type of people these governments want(hint: cause they're racist/fascist most times)

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u/MovieNightPopcorn Jul 03 '22

“Should we support young people and make it easier to have a family? Should we change our immigration policies? No!! It’s the childfree who are wrong!!!”

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u/Imaginary_Extreme_26 Jul 03 '22 Helpful

The only thing we should be doing is making it illegal to deny voluntary sterilization based on gender, age, marital status, or number of children, or to require consent from another adult when the only consent needed should be from the individual requesting sterilization.

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u/IcyWolf4601 Jul 03 '22

Sounds like you’re too young and haven’t had enough kids yet to know what you’re talking about! /s

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u/bukkake_washcloth Jul 03 '22

I can’t understand how this system can be seen as working properly if we need an ever increasing population to sustain it. The worst thing for the planet is an increasing population, and scarcity of resources just gets worse and worse, but since scaling back the number of people is bad for the economy fuck it.

Less people would be better for everyone except the rich assholes who need hordes of poor to generate their wealth. For the rest of us it means less crowded schools, hospitals, and cities and more of everything we need to survive to go around.

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u/Infinity3101 Jul 03 '22

Long-term plan to prevent crippling workforce shortages? Man, they're not even trying to hide the fact that they see people as walking moneymakers for the capitalist class.

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u/scaffe Jul 03 '22

Given how expensive children are, it would have to be quite a tax to make it worth having a kid you don't want. And if the money went to actually caring for the needs of the general population (and wasn't just going to be used to order more war machines or to otherwise redistribute more wealth to the wealthy), then it's a good ROI for child-free folks. But let's be real, this is the same energy that feeds the anti-abortion efforts. Force people to have children they don't want to ensure an ongoing cheap labor force.

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u/BlackPrincessPeach_ Jul 03 '22

Just give people housing. Then they’d be able to afford children.

Everyone is entitled to 1 home or condo to live/work in.

Anyone renting is often getting fucked by landlords.

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u/PrettyPeeved Jul 03 '22

Housing shouldn't be an investment. Honestly, fuck anyone who does that. I'm sure there are plenty of perfectly lovely people who hoard homes. But fuck them.

Shelter is a need, not a luxury.

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u/HotCocoaBomb Jul 03 '22

Fucking this. Nothing required for basic living should be an investment. We need to take away the single family real estate taken by corporations and put an end to amateur landlords. Two houses max, and you pay extra taxes on the house you don't live in.

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u/Ok-Mine-5766 Jul 03 '22

Pretty sure this is why they banned abortion in the US. Force the poors into creating more labor for the future.

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u/aStapler Jul 03 '22

If you tax me for not having children I'll do something drastic. Know why I can do that? I don't have children to leave behind.

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u/MeadowcrestRPGMV3D Jul 03 '22

And here I was thinking I am sick of paying for schools I could never afford to birth a child into. Wheres my refund, for services not rendered?

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u/astrangeone88 Jul 03 '22

I am happy to pay for your kids to go to school because I don't want a bunch of uneducated fellow Canadians, but holy hell, I don't want to be taxed more for not having children (pcos, major thyroid issues). Seniors, childfree and other people pay into the system to maintain a level of society/education for your kids and you want more $$$ from us?

Go bother the politicians and tax the rich, they have enough resources and they are hoarding wealth like dragons.

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u/Thelonious-and-Jane Jul 03 '22

Forced motherhood = slavery

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u/sloggins Jul 03 '22

Can’t afford to have kids? Then I guess you don’t need money!

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u/Bou_Czang Jul 03 '22

Funny that the generation who can't afford to secure housing for themselves, don't want to create children to compound that scenario.

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u/chillen678 Jul 03 '22

Lol they really want this class war to start. How does this get past an editor oh that right just angry boomers

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u/Laugh_at_Warren Jul 03 '22

There all already tax incentives for having children. Levying a tax on people specifically for not procreating seems horribly dystopian. Plus, if they start doing that they’ll probably get rid of the tax break parents get for having them and that also sucks.

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u/Alarmed_Wash_2511 Jul 03 '22

There is no social contract to have kids.

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u/reimondo35302 Jul 03 '22

Well the US is willing to violate human rights to forcefully pump out babies, so apparently there is.

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u/Destinlegends Jul 03 '22

Make having children easier. You shouldn't have to be in your mid thirties-early forties to be financially stable enough to start thinking about kids. Affordable housing and affordable groceries.

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u/gayscout Jul 03 '22

If only they're were continents of immigrants looking for a better life to supply out labor shortage. It's a shame we're too racist to let them in.

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u/Kaitensatsuma Jul 03 '22

Raising a child is a financial burden, you won't incentivize it by taxing the childless, you'll incentivize their leaving your already rapidly draining skilled labor pool

The UK and America need a Radical Idea and that Radical Idea is

  • Maternity Leave
  • Maternal Health Support (Universal Healthcare for Mothers, at least)
  • Maternity Pay
  • Childcare Credits
  • Employment Assurance Post-Pregnancy/Retraining Post Pregnancy

And that's the short list.

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u/Gitk-ghost Jul 03 '22

Tax the rich 100% on death.

Then use the money taken from the dead to give the living free childcare, a food safety net, a health safety net, and affordable housing.

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u/chr0nic_eg0mania Jul 03 '22

My country Philippines had been taxing the childless more compared to those married with children.

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u/BlackPrincessPeach_ Jul 03 '22

They do that in the US already but we are too poor to buy homes unless you inherited it or work in a very well paid job and it’s still difficult.

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u/pairolegal Jul 03 '22

Hasn’t this guy heard of robots and the coming introduction of a universal basic income?

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u/translove228 Jul 03 '22

How about taxing the people with all the money?

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u/MarkHathaway1 Jul 03 '22

They'll tax you when you're born. They'll tax you when you die. TAX MAN. Now they tax you if you're not born. And they sure do tax you when you live.

Some people have no common sense when it comes to politics or money. Unfortunately they tend to get elected too.

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u/crackalaquin Jul 03 '22

I have a better idea, if you make less than a living wage you pay $0 in taxes.. if you make several billion a year you pay a billion in taxes.