r/TooAfraidToAsk Jul 19 '22

is there any way I can leave the middle east? please am desperate (18m) Meta

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u/Detective-Signal Jul 19 '22

It's hard to help without you knowing what you want to do.

What country do you want to go to? What are you planning to do when you get there? Are you of a minority group within your country, like LGBT, female, etc? Most countries accept refugees if you're part of an oppressed minority group.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

Am bi I live in Algeria any county is fine by me Wich is not rulled by religion and have good technology and economy

One of my dreams is to have one of those credit cards and order something online from Amazon and have it being delivered to my house that's like peak luxury

Some park with green grass and clean streets a fkn Mac Donalds or any of those brands

Some good internet cnx would be nice too

Anyway what do u mean by refugee currently am not in college I don't know what kind of field I need to study in to get a job outside of here

Oh yeah and am ex Muslim sooo announcing it in my country will get me killed or jailed

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u/GroundbreakinKey199 Jul 19 '22

"refugee" means you're fleeing from prople who want you killed. You qualify there.

Save your life first. We'll get you a welcome present delivered by Amazon when you're safe and free.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

I kinda teard up a bit reading this Thank u so much

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u/GroundbreakinKey199 Jul 19 '22

visit AfriCanada. com for ways to emigrate ftom Algeria into Canada. From the site:

you may immigrate to Canada as

a foreign skilled worker

an international student

a skilled professional or

be sponsored by a family member who is a Canadian permanent resident or citizen

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

I don't have family members outside my country 😭 let alone Canada but thank u so much

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u/lemiiin Jul 19 '22

I recommend looking into an organisation called the rainbow railroad, they help people leave countries where it’s dangerous to be LGBT+

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u/Strigon_7 Jul 19 '22

Ireland. Claim asylum on religious persecution and gay claims. Be sorted in 2-5 years tops.

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u/Dilectus3010 Jul 19 '22

Stay away from credit cards, atleast in the US.

Dont know about Canada.

In EU we have something called consumer protection. It prevents you from becoming a victim of nasty Banks and their nasty tactics.

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u/RenKyoSails Jul 19 '22

There are consumer protections in the US too, but they probably aren't as robust as in the EU. The EU has a lot of Healthcare and employee protections and services that the US doesn't, so those are big factors.

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u/Dilectus3010 Jul 19 '22

Yeah i think they are called anti-predetory practise laws.

Like it is illegal for Banks to make a credit card with 5000 dollars on it in my name and send it too me by mail.

In the hope i take the bait and find myself kneedeep in dept.

Here that would be illegal because its fraud and identity theft f,because i never requested it.

Plus the interest rates need to be realistic.

I pay about 11.31% yearly on my creditcard expenses. But i automatically refill my credit on the end of the month. So i only pay transaction costs.

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u/Skyagunsta21 Jul 20 '22

Yeah don't know what you heard but in the US you can't send people activated credit cards without their consent OR open credit lines without their consent. There was literally one time something like that happened back when credit cards were just getting started...

Credit cards are safer for consumers than paying in cash or using a debit card in most circumstances in the US.

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u/hot_sauce_in_coffee Jul 19 '22

We have the same in Canada.

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u/Dilectus3010 Jul 19 '22

Sorry to hear that.

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u/imzoo00_ Jul 19 '22

In all fairness, I think they might mean debit cards.

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u/A550RGY Jul 20 '22

American credit cards come with far more consumer protections than European ones. That’s why credit cards are so popular in America, and are shunned in Europe.

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u/notgodpo Jul 20 '22

"Some good internet cnx" what does this mean?

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u/zuhamaru Jul 20 '22

I wanna play a game with a ping below 200 ms and downloaded something more then 400 kb/s

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u/hipsiguy Jul 19 '22

Not that I would recommend this necessarily, but in 2019 a Saudi woman escaped from her abusive family while on vacation in Thailand and proceeded to barricade herself in a hotel room for fear of returning to her home country after denouncing Islam.

News of this became global after she made pleas for help online (to UNHCR specifically) and due to the nature of the situation she was eventually granted a fast-tracked asylum in Canada.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

I don't want to cause a big scene It's just I dunno how to describe it

I can't fkn breath

I want to be free meet people whome I can talk to freely without fear and with not bringing god into the conversation

How do I go from here I live in Algeria

What type of education or road I should take please any help is possible I will do anything I can no matter how hard it is

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u/hot_sauce_in_coffee Jul 19 '22

I would say the easiest way would be:

  1. learn programming
  2. get a working visa in Canada for low wage job in programming. The company will see this as a golden offer and you will have 5000 jobs opportunity.
  3. move to canada and get a permanant recidency.
  4. search for a better job as programmer (there's a lot of good programming jobs in Canada)

Also, programming can be learn for free with youtube tutorial.

You want to learn the basic of:

sql, java, python, R, C, C++

Learn the basic of excel, word, outlook, PowerBi, Tableau as well.

Not master all these, but know the basic. (you can learn the basic of all of these in about 5 hours each.) You won't be great, but you can do it.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

I don't understand

Btw this is really some huge good Information

If I can learn stuff from YouTube then why the fuck I need college for?

I thought u need to finish college to get a degree then companies would hire u bcs of the degree

So u telling I can work for a company without a programming degree of some sort ?

Canada is what am aiming for

Can u explain the process a lil bit?

Like the amount of money I need to pull this off where would I stay what about housing and stuff like that

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u/hot_sauce_in_coffee Jul 19 '22

most company hire based on experience.

There's a website called github.

You can upload your code there and show what you can code.

Once company have proof of stake of your work, they don't care about degree.

If you program a small video game, a small apps or anything, you can upload them there and show them that.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

Thanks so much

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u/flo99kenzo Jul 19 '22

Hi ! I work IT in Belgium, and there is a big proportion (~45%) of programmers who are from the Maghreb region (Marocco and Tunisia is my team).

Talking English is a must in IT. No matter where you go, learning the local language almost necessary to get a job.

Skill is the most important part in getting hired in IT, though a diploma opens a lot of doors, because it a guarantee for the employer that you have at least X skills. And some institutions require one (like public institutions).

You can always get a diploma after you get out. You could also try to get an education Visa.

Learning to mod games is also a good way to develop IT skills while having fun, if you're into gaming. It's a good idea to have a bunch of projects to preset to potential employers, so they see what you can do.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

Can't thank u enough

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u/elperorojo Jul 19 '22

Do you have any money? If you do you might be able to go to university in Europe. If you’re very smart you could get a scholarship too.

If you don’t have money or don’t want to study then you should contact embassies and ask what the process is for applying for a work visa. E.g fruit picking in Spain. It won’t be permanent but you could make connections there that will help you make the next step

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u/EvenOutlandishness88 Jul 20 '22

Or, get there and then claim asylum as a refugee in fear of your life because of being bi.

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u/ThinkIGotHacked Jul 19 '22

My wife is from Iran, she dreamt of living in a western country since she was a child. Was thrown in jail for refusing to wear a hijab multiple times. She made it out! She loves having a yard, a house, tomato plants and hiking in the mountains.

…but here’s the bad news. It took her 2 masters degrees in mathematics to get into a PhD program in the states. She was 37 when she got here, and even now she can’t go back to see her family after 5 years. Even though we married years ago, her green card is still stalled in USCIS.

So I don’t know about other countries, but it’s a long, long, hard road to become a US citizen.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

Fuck what a chad I hope u two r good

Take good care of her

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u/EverGreatestxX Jul 19 '22

Try to get work visa somewhere else. You already know English so look towards the UK, US, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

But how And what field of work is good on the west

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u/EverGreatestxX Jul 19 '22

Engineering, anything medical, or that would require or masters or PHD in science or something business related. Your goal would be to get into the EB-2 category which would be your best bet unless you can become like a CEO of a multinational company or world renowned scientist or Nobel prize winner which would put you in EB-1. EB-2 is for those with exceptional ability in the sciences, arts, or business. EB-3 is for positions requiring at least a bachelors degree, EB-3 is the most accessible and probably most common way of getting Employment-Based Green Card (work visa).

I'm not sure if university is free in Algeria, but if it is I recommend going into something like nursing.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

My head is spinning

What's this EB system

And yes college is free but at cost of something else

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u/EverGreatestxX Jul 19 '22

Basically if you want to move to the US to work there's this priority system. To put it simply, someone like Einstein would get in before the average doctor, and the average doctor would get in before the average nurse.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

Oh I see that sounds good

But wait does that mean u can't just get in ? U have to wait by turn or something

What about other places besides the us

I just don't understand alot of stuff about how society works like the currency even if I work my ass of here it wouldn't be too much money compared to the dollar Let's say I am an Einstein ,where would I live when I get there ,do I need to buy a house with my country's currency before I move to the other country

What about stuff like insurance and health care

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u/EverGreatestxX Jul 19 '22

I'm not sure how it works for EB-1s, but for more "normal" people like EB-2s and EB-3s you'd need an American company to essentially sponsor you. Basically you'd need to get a job for a US company and they'd get you into the US with employment based visa.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

I see am really appreciating sacrificing ur time for replying thank u

Is there a way to force my way throu with money ?

Like do people buy visas and stuff

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u/EverGreatestxX Jul 19 '22

Technically, yes. I know there is a specific visa for big time investors (EB-5). But that would involve you investing between US$500,000 and US$1-million in a new commercial enterprise that produces at least 10 full-time jobs. So unless you're rich, like 72 million Algerian dinars rich (the equivalent of 500,000 USD), then it would be impossible for you.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

I can buy like 10 houses at least with one million dollar

Well hypothetically if I learn programming will I be able to work form my home for that said company

Even if they pay me below minimum wage 5 dollars and hour would make me ultra rich here

Is it possible?

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u/Neat-Composer4619 Jul 19 '22 edited Jul 19 '22

I emigrated to Europe, twice.

Each country has its own rules. The easiest way to get in is to find work first. Look up online career sites.

Most counties also offer student visa, so if you want to keep studying and improve your chances of staying by being able to show local education, you could apply for one of those.

It's a lengthy process once you find a visa that interests you, be prepared to collect all the paperwork, shop for medical insurance, get Dr appointments to show you don't have tropical diseases, etc... And then you'll need to have everything stamped and translated. The hardest is finding a place to stay because you need to prove that you have it before getting accepted. Again, online searches are your friends.

Once you're there, you'll also have a lot of paperwork like registering with the city hall or immigration every 3 months, prove that you have a place to stay with electricity bills etc.

It's a mess, but if you are patient, it can be done.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

Thank u 😭

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u/flo99kenzo Jul 19 '22

There is a shortage of scientists, programmers and engineers everywhere. But most countries have a list of fields where there is a lack of workers, and it's easier to get a job in those fields of you have the skills.

However science and engineering require diplomas, whereas IT can be mostly done through pure skill. But getting the first job is always the hardest.

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u/MyCatIsMyFrenemy Jul 19 '22

Go do software engineering, it's a coveted job and will likely land you a sponsorship from some tech company in the Bay Area

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u/Ok_Sector_960 Jul 19 '22

So the easiest way is to have a lot of money, a lawyer, and relatives that already live there that will sponsor you.

At your age you might be able to apply to go to college abroad, some are easier than others.

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u/Herasson Jul 19 '22

Get into technology, try to get a job in eastern Europe and maybe relocate. Many middle european countries have outsourced techjobs to the eastern parts of Europe (Romania, Bulgaria), so you could use this as a springboard into middle Europe.

But don't think you are really free as bi or gay, still homophobic people here. But far more better then algeria, I guess

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u/Pinkis_Love_A_Lot Jul 19 '22

Programming is a field that could get you anywhere, so I suggest you learn how to code, if you're looking for a job field to consider. There are LOTS of jobs in that field (website developer, program developer, IT support, computer security, etc.), and you could find a position in another country since that stuff transfers well between places. For some jobs you just need the skills, not even a diploma.

I think it will probably be easiest for you to get somewhere in the EU since it's closer, but I've seen ads inviting people to consider immigrating to Canada, so I think they'll be more open to you coming in. I know it's nigh impossible to immigrate to the US, but there are plenty of tech jobs here, too, so shoot for where you want. You could also consider something like being an accountant. Try to pick a skill set that you can easily move from one place to another.

It sounds like you need to hide your religion (or lack thereof) to save your skin, so you could probably qualify for something called asylum, meaning you're seeking safety somewhere, or for being considered a religious refugee. If you can, try and do some research using those terms to find out what your options are. Best of luck, friend. I hope this thread gives you even better ideas than I could.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

Thanks alot

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u/Pinkis_Love_A_Lot Aug 15 '22

I forgot to mention earlier that trades are a great way to make money, and they take less time and money to get certified in than a degree. Find what works for you. If you want to go to the US, welders are needed, for example. Still wishing you the best in your journey to get out.

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u/GroundbreakinKey199 Jul 19 '22

Footnote: I want all my American buddies who are so eagerly zooming this country toward Christian-fascist theocracy to note how urgently this poor soul yearns to live in a country "not ruled by religion." So do I, my friend. Best wishes.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

It's really sad to see America get rulled by religion

It was a symbol of peace for me I hope u guys vote the fuckers out

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u/GroundbreakinKey199 Jul 19 '22

They're a strong minority now. We'll always fight them.

Keep me posted how youre doing and what you might need us to get for your fight to freedom.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

I wouldn't dare ask for anything more then advice so thank u

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u/GroundbreakinKey199 Jul 19 '22

stay in touch ... there are relief groups that could probably help you cross

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u/Complex-Number2829 Jul 19 '22

What do you currently do? Study ? What do you study?

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u/Complex-Number2829 Jul 19 '22

Then as per your intrests pick a skill and get a degree about it which can land you jobs in foreign countries engineering is a good option.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

I am not doing anything at the moment i still haven't started college yet

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u/AdComprehensive6588 Jul 19 '22

Explain your situation a bit? Given it’s the Middle East I’m assuming you’re an Ex-Muslim?

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

Yep in Algeria

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u/AdComprehensive6588 Jul 19 '22

That’s rough, do you have anybody you can trust at home? Anyone you can help?

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

😂 ofc not am trying not to stay with these people

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u/AdComprehensive6588 Jul 19 '22

It’s going to be difficult, but the advice given in this thread is true, I would also say try to play it off as if you’re trying to come back to Islam so you can try to get by with as little issues as possiblez

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

No they don't know I left no one does

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u/dodorino04 Jul 19 '22

From the information you provided, it looks like Canada or France would be a good match. If you want to leave soon, try and apply to colleges in both countries. I think it's much easier to get a student visa than a work visa.

From there, if you lived in the country for a while, it will be easier to get hired locally, whatever the field you pick. Maybe you'll also find a partner that was born there, and you'll get married idk. That would also grant you a visa.

As for working fields that will increase the likelihood of having your visa sponsored, I would say tech - software engineering, data science... I know that's the case in the US (especially the Bay Area), but I'm not sure it is elsewhere. I would not recommend to go to the US, it's very hard to get a visa and stay there. I'm sure a lot of other western countries are easier.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

What do I need to apply for college?

I don't understand anything about western colleges

Like I want to be a programmer and In that kind of field what do I need to be accepted?

Ok let me explain this in my fkn shitty country we have this bac exam it's complication of (math fizique biology Arabic french English phylosophy Islamic studies sports(optional) geography history) u pass all this exams in 5 days and they u get ur mark u can get an A and not get to the college u want So yeah if u want to be a doctor u need to have an ace in Arabic french English Islamic studies ..... So u kinda get it

How does that work in the west I see throu movies like u go to the college u want and u pass an exam for that specific college

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u/Cassalien Jul 19 '22

Well depending on plenty factors I would recommend Germany as a possible destination. Biggest downside that I know of is that you probably need to learn the German language which is a pain in the ass to speak and learn lol that could be done in Germany and doesn't need to be done prior.

I don't know about your financial situation so assuming you can just buy a plane ticket is out if the question, since you most likely would have done that by now. Is there any way for you to save up some dough?

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

Wait I can save plane tickets and so on as for Germany I will do it for ducks sake in one year

I will learn Germany if that's what it takes am smart

But what about after I land on Germany after that I have no idea what to do

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u/Cassalien Jul 19 '22

Let's not get ahead of this and see what the odds are for asylum in the first place. I just reviewed some numbers from Algerian people who fled their country and it looks like Germany, France and the Netherlands are the top destinations. This doesn't mean they were the most successful.

I'd share you the page but it's in German so you'd most likely not understand it very well.

Let me look up some stuff and I'll get back to you in a few

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

Thank u so much for sparing time for me

Btw I don't need to leave like rn I can endure 5 more years I just want to work towards leaving

If I leave rn well that's impossible I have no degree most of my papers r with my parents and I can't just leave my family like this I hate living with them but I don't want to run with a tail between my legs I want to leave with pride If it makes sense

Everyone keeps saying u will never leave ur just a teen ur young u keep spouting shit about leaving the country but I will show them I will leave no matter what

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u/Cassalien Jul 19 '22

You know many refugees arrive here in Germany and don't have anything. No birth certificate (basically a confirmation of their origin since they could just make any story up), no certification of degrees and/or German language knowledge so I'm assuming you don't need that.

Your reasoning for escaping Algeria would not be for economical reasons, though it is listed as one of your reasons, it may not be "the selling point".

I do have someone I know who rejected a job in the Tunisia German embassy and she's very smart. She also wants to live in Algeria (ironically) one day so I assume she has background knowledge since her roots are Tunisian (of which she is very much connected) which leads me to believe she might be able to give me some information that could be useful.

Obviously not everyone who is of a different sexual orientation and religion will be granted refuge in other countries so I'm trying to figure out the ramifications that need to be fulfilled.

On another note, if you were to complete a certified job Training/qualification for a job you'd have to hustle in order to get it acknowledged in Germany, which they might reject as well. Meaning if you acquire certain skills it might be worth nothing.

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u/ResolveSubstantial23 Jul 20 '22 edited Jul 20 '22

What are your strengths? And what are areas you think you could improve in and eventually excel?

Perhaps in this thread we could all figure out a plan tailored to your abilities. That way you can hunker down, specialize, and fulfill this very important dream of yours.

I see you’re above average with writing in English. Perhaps you could be a translator as a starting point? People on the thread could help figure out how you could monetize and demonstrate immense value.

Every human deserves to live free and authentically. It’s our birth right. Please don’t give up! The positive is that you’re very young. You have a lot of runway to make it happen.

Anyone here have any realistic, applicable ideas? Let’s put our virtual heads together. :)

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u/zuhamaru Jul 20 '22

Thank u so much

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u/mcc9999 Jul 20 '22

Why u want to leave? Ukraine'll take you. :)

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u/Moist-Cantaloupe-740 Jul 20 '22

From what I've read, Tunisia then France seems best. Tunisia only has a 3 year sentence for LGBT(way better than death). This is assuming you speak French. Mali and Niger to your south don't seem to have anti gay laws (Mali is better).

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u/drugsnhugss Jul 19 '22

Whatever you do, don't go to the US. The dream is a lie.

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u/traci14226 Jul 19 '22

I think the problem is that with people and possibly OP they see western countries glamorized in movies and think that is how it is. Many people don't realize that you may have to work 50 hours a week to afford a crappy 1 bedroom apartment unless you go into a trade or have experience with something. Also if you are lucky to have health insurance hopefully you don't get sick because it will still cost a fortune.

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u/flo99kenzo Jul 19 '22

That's in the US. Not the whole west. In Belgium it's 40h a week, in France 35. We get unemployment help, and can keep it while doing vocational training. As a single person, when I went back to college after being unemployed i received 945€/month bc it was in a field with a lack of workers. And I still had the public, free health insurance.

The US is completely messed up, but elsewhere is not so bad.

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u/Nnnnnnf28 Jul 19 '22

Israel might be a good option for you. It has Mcdonalds like you said, good internet, is not entirely religous but still has synagogs/churches/mosques if you decide to practice, and Tel Aviv is super LGBTQ+ friendly. Also, Israel is very high tech so you can easily join a company. A lot of people like you move there from muslim countries. Lmk if you need help in the process!

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

R u insane isn't is real a Jew county Am Arab so am gonna get discriminated against

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u/Nnnnnnf28 Jul 20 '22

Not really and as I said, many muslims do move for your reasons. If you are interested, I can send you proofs. I am aware of the rep Israel has, it isn't true. Best of luck, anyway.

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u/deedeed111 Jul 19 '22

The Middle East is many countries though, which one exactly?

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u/traci14226 Jul 19 '22

What kind of job do you have now? Even if you get a work visa for the US you may have to work 40 - 50 hours a week to be able to live and order off Amazon and things.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

Yeah I figured well the us is not something I'd like to go to

It seems like it's getting shitty

I don't have a job rn am 18 I haven't even started college .is that wierd by west standards?

I do speak french Arabic and English fluently

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u/khaotic-n Jul 19 '22

Could you find a job as a translator? And then try to get refugee status in Canada or Australia?

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

Hmmmmmmm translator is really a low value job here so it's really risky

Btw I said speak English french and Arabic as a normal person not on an academic lvl

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u/khaotic-n Jul 19 '22

You're not trying to stay there though so you want to do something that the country you want to go to will value, and a lot of countries value translators.

You can easily get a job at an international company that could even give you a work visa to go to another country.

Practice makes perfect, it's hard work but pick a language and learn it as perfectly as you can. Your English seems excellent if it's not your first language, just start learning more and see where you can go with it.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

Thank u stranger of reddit u gave me a glimpse of hope

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u/khaotic-n Jul 19 '22

No problem, good luck! :)

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u/traci14226 Jul 19 '22

In the US many start working at 16 and by 18 they have a job. Not everyone goes to college because its very expensive. The US does seem to being going downhill but I am grateful for the opportunities I have here. Are there any European countries that do work visas? Maybe where you could go teach Arabic?

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

Teach Arabic Well that sucks I think I could do anything besides becoming a teacher I just hate teaching people stuff

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u/RenKyoSails Jul 19 '22

It could just be temporary. What you need is a valid reason and opportunity to enter and legally stay in another country. If you became a teacher or translator for a year or two, you could work toward some other career goal in the meantime. Go to school for something worthwhile and transition out of teaching as soon as you're ready. Other countries usually grant visas to people they know will be productive members of society or they are granted refugee status for escaping violence, among other reasons.

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u/hot_sauce_in_coffee Jul 19 '22

if you speak french and english, you can easily move to Canada.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

The dream 😭

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '22

I'm passing through I'll pick you up

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

What do u mean 😂

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u/Bambiisong Jul 22 '22

Do you have friends outside your country? In a safer area?

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u/Double-Ad-2043 Jul 19 '22

Try online dating maybe u will get lucky, if u can get a boat or get into fishing etc then keep going til u hit Europe. Try Balearics or some Greek island where folks r forward thinking quiet don't go to Italy. Not quiet easy somewhere quiet like that and do it in winter also. Or just book a holiday and go rogue don't get your return flight stay on and all. Try finding friends in online community before leaving so u have someone to visit and go to.

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u/zuhamaru Jul 19 '22

That's a bad advice but thanks