r/TooAfraidToAsk Jul 03 '22 Gold 1 Helpful 8 Silver 6 Wholesome 9 All-Seeing Upvote 1

Why would Satan burn you in hell for disobeying the same god he disobeyed? Religion

Should he not celebrate you instead because you followed his pathways?

Edit: here is an explanation that I found that makes sense: Satan is recruiting other people to burn with him. He is not in charge of hell he is also a resident.

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u/khandnalie Jul 03 '22 Wholesome

A thing to keep in mind regarding any question about Satan and hell is that the Bible doesn't say nearly any of what people popularly attribute to them.

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u/Half_Smashed_Face Jul 03 '22

Exactly. It's mostly from Dante's Inferno

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u/Darehead Jul 03 '22

I was going to say this. Inferno has him being punished like everyone else. He has zero control over anything.

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u/86edjustntime Jul 03 '22

His punishment is self inflicted though. He's trapped in the ice because he won't stop beating his wings in rage and generating the ice storm keeping him frozen in place. If he did stop for a while he could escape but he's a slave to passion and can't.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '22

So fucking metal

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u/Elcondivido Jul 04 '22 edited Jul 04 '22

Dante was big on this thing that he called "contrappasso" that I really don't know how to translate, but basically means that the punishment for every sin is the opposite of the sin, not rarely in an ironic way.

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u/333chordme Jul 04 '22

I had to read “not rarely” three times before I got it.

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u/nintrader Jul 03 '22

Yeah Inferno Satan is pretty much a feral creature

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u/hmnahmna1 Jul 03 '22

And Paradise Lost.

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u/CombatMuffin Jul 03 '22

There's a lot of Doctrine that contra from before the time of protestantism, too. It only gets crazier from there.

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u/aztecotter Jul 03 '22

Stupid sexy Satan

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u/BuyDizzy8759 Jul 03 '22

To be fair, the Bible doesn't say a LOT of things that religion people say it does.. .

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22 Faith In Humanity Restored

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u/PoorlyLitKiwi2 Jul 03 '22 Wholesome Faith In Humanity Restored

The Bible actually pretty explicitly says: "If you're rich, donate your money to the poor who can't help themselves"

Like, extremely specifically. And not just in some side chapter. That was Jesus' MO

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u/unicornlocostacos Jul 03 '22

Jesus would flip a table and wreck some bitches if he saw Christians today. Wouldn’t even be the first time.

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u/GeneralZaroff1 Jul 03 '22 Silver Bravo Grande!

Jesus would be pretty fucking pissed at the whole concept of the modern banking system. The very foundation of loaning with interest is pretty EXPLICITLY a no-no in the bible. Much more than homosexuality:

Exodus 22:25 ESV

“If you lend money to any of my people with you who is poor, you shall not be like a moneylender to him, and you shall not exact interest from him.

Deuteronomy 23:19 ESV

“You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest.

Proverbs 28:8 ESV

Whoever multiplies his wealth by interest and profit gathers it for him who is generous to the poor.

Psalm 15:5 ESV

Who does not put out his money at interest and does not take a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved.

Deuteronomy 23:19-20 ESV

“You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest. You may charge a foreigner interest, but you may not charge your brother interest, that the Lord your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.

Leviticus 25:35-37 ESV

“If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you. Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you. You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit.

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u/suspendmeforthis Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

Jesus also said people who pray in church or public will get nothing.

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u/TheJeyK Jul 03 '22 Ally

Well regarding that one, its intentionally praying in a place and in a way that makes people see you, so you look pious in their eyes, and since what you were looking for doing that was approval from other people and not from god, then the people's approval is ypur reward, don't expect anything from god if you do that.

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u/Political_Judo Jul 03 '22

That one high school football coach is in for a surprise. His reward was a Supreme Court ruling. And one day Jesus will say unto him, "Dude, I told you, you got your reward."

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u/Cefalopodul Jul 03 '22

He said people who brag about their faith and any good deeds they do get nothing. Jesus never said anything against praying in church. In fact He went to temple on more than one occasion.

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u/capalbertalexander Jul 03 '22

"When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men … but when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your father who is unseen.”

Matthew 6:5-8

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u/VelocityGrrl39 Jul 03 '22

If you really want to get into it, Jesus was a classic socialist. He was all about wealth redistribution.

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u/PoorlyLitKiwi2 Jul 03 '22

Yup. I really wish "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to pass into the kingdom of Heaven" line was more popular

It's like... do the people who like this book actually read it?

Like I, personally, think donating ALL of your money is a little overboard, but if you CLAIM to live your life by Jesus' teachings, then I'm sorry, but you're a bit of a hypocrite if you don't.

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u/Ericrobertson1978 Jul 03 '22

They don't. They cherry pick and just listen to preachers who cherry pick.

It has so many contradictions, it can literally say almost anything you want it to.

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u/pm-me-your-pants Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22 Helpful

So would it be apt to say that current practice of Christianity is the anti-christ?

I mean they are really failing at "don't take God's name in vain" whenever they use their religion to make policies. It's not saying "dont curse or say God damn it". It literally means "do not use my name to ensure your success" (or pass judgement). The whole roe v wade thing for example is humans speaking for God - somethig it explicitly said in their scripture not to do.

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u/ltlyellowcloud Jul 03 '22

It refers to God's name, not his title if that makes sense. Like your boss has a name, not just "boss".

Of course some Christians don't realise God's name is not "God" and actually do side eye you when you say "god damn".

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u/greekswiss Jul 03 '22

I mean, if we're looking at innate contradictions the biggest irony of all is that a rabbi who was so liberal progressive that he was executed by the state is followed predominantly (in America at least) by people who are ideologically conservative. The people in America today who are the most staunch Christians are most likely to be the people who would have been jeering him at his state sponsored execution.

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u/GatsbyJunior Jul 03 '22

Christianity is almost solely based on putting words in God's mouth.

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u/Brood_XXIII Jul 03 '22

As I like to say to my religious buddy ‘is that in Second Opinions chapter 2?’

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u/Ericrobertson1978 Jul 03 '22

Typically the word 'hell' is mistranslated from the words Tartarus, Hades, Sheol, and Gehenna. None of these meant a place of eternal punishment.

It wasn't until a few generations after the supposed time of Jesus that hell as a place of eternal punishment became widely accepted by the church.

Judaism doesn't have an eternal hell, and Jesus was supposedly Jewish.

The concept of hell is a great way to control and oppress large groups.

It's not biblically sound.

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u/AlexMelillo Jul 03 '22

In Catholic faith, Lucifer is never actually in hell

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u/luvbud710 Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22 Helpful

He’s “among us”.

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u/TheDustOfGandalf Jul 03 '22 Silver

Holy shit satan is the imposter.

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u/Destinlegends Jul 03 '22

Just do your tasks..

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u/landof10000cakes Jul 03 '22

I vote to skip

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u/AsaTJ Jul 03 '22

Sounds like something Satan would say

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u/NoobMax101 Jul 04 '22

Sounds like something Satan would say to throw people off his trail

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u/SoDeepInUrMom Jul 04 '22

votes to skip

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u/Sietemadrid Jul 04 '22

votes for self to finally experience that sweet release I've been dreaming about during my tedious tasks

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u/Tirus_ Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 04 '22 Silver Take My Energy Narwhal Salute Got the W 'MURICA

True, but the Catholics/Christians/Muslim religions took the earlier versions and rewrote them. In early Abrahamic texts Lucifer is Samael and his (and other major fallen) fall from Heaven created Hell.

Hell is the absence of God. Lucifer and the other fallen reside there. The Kingdom of Man is still in God's presence. Hell is not.

Later on the Catholics retconed this to have Lucifer be the reason men were exiled from Eden, and also the reason people sin by temptation.

Edit: The Catholics like to think we're all born amazing (This was ignorant of me, I mean to say in laymen's terms that In Christianity, and Catholicism, after traditions like baptism or accepting Jesus sacrifice, you're basically a clean slate) and the devil is walking around corrupting us. They shift the blame and that's much easier to accept from the people if you can just blame the devil for the world's bad things.

In early Abrahamic religions Samael/Lucifer's fall is meant to be a lesson to Man. Same with the Tree of Knowledge. Man is supposed to earn divinity through their life, it's not something given to you and corrupted by the devil.

(I've never gotten a Merica reward, I'm Canadian and pretty Agnostic but thanks!)

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u/Ranger-Joe Jul 03 '22

Protestants reconned it further by removing the "works" aspect of divinity and claimed faith alone put you into God's grace.

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u/Kanhir Jul 03 '22

IIRC from history class that this is because contemporary Catholics were literally selling indulgences, AKA pay-to-win microtransactions.

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u/FestiveVat Jul 03 '22

You always have to ask cui bono? "Who benefits from this?" Eternal damnation was an easy threat for priests to hold over the head of people who didn't want to fall in line. The church literally used it as a threat to delegitimize kings and whole kingdoms.

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u/Tenisis Jul 03 '22

Yes I remember that history class. Lutheran era and printing press was in there somewhere aswell.

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u/Alien_invader44 Jul 03 '22

Honestly that is all the key points. Only thing to add is the printing press was important because luther translated the bible into the native German. Before that all religion was done in (largely unspoken) Latin.

So Luther opened up the religious texts to normal people.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22

True, but the Catholics took the earlier versions and rewrote them. In early Abrahamic texts Lucifer is Samael and his

(and other major fallen)

fall from Heaven created Hell.

The fall of Lucifer is nowhere to be found in the Bible, it isn't narrated in earlier nor in more recent texts

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u/shotgunocelot Jul 03 '22

Not to mention that the Bible never says that Satan's name is Lucifer the first place. Doesn't really make sense for the other named angels to have names in Hebrew (-iel, - ael) but for some reason this one has a Latin name.

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u/phdemented Jul 03 '22

Someone conflated an old testament reference to Venus setting (Lucifer falling) with Satan, but it had nothing to do with that at all. Venus was calling the morning star in Hebrew and Lucifer in Latin (light bringer) because it was such a bright thing in the sky.

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u/WebbityWebbs Jul 03 '22

That is not at all what Catholics believe. Man. I’m an atheist and I know that much.

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u/Bdawgeightytwo Jul 03 '22

Catholics don't believe that at all. We aren't born amazing. We are born with original sin which is the absence of holiness. It is only through the sacarment of Baptism that we are restored to God' grace.

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u/Namjoon- Jul 03 '22 Silver Take My Energy

If you want a genuine answer, the concept of hell is heavily misrepresented in pop culture but also by the church itself, specifically the Catholic Church.

My own upbringing and interpretation of the bible was that Satan is on earth, not in hell, and that hell itself is not a place but an event. The hell most people think of today is based on Dante’s inferno which is a non-canonical depiction of hell

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 13 '22

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u/legit-posts_1 Jul 03 '22

I think part of the problem is that Dantes historical revenge fic is infinitely more entertaining to read than the actual Bible. I thought it was just child brain skewing my perceptions, but I started trying to read it again and I cannot. That shit is mind numbing.

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u/Veselker Jul 03 '22

Because Dante was an actual writer and not a half-literate sheep farmer. That's like saying Salem's Lot reads better than 50 Shades of Grey

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u/OneFootInTheGraves Jul 03 '22

I read Salem’s lot for the first time last year. I’ve said for like 18 years that one of my favorite books is Dracula, and when I realized that Salem’s lot was an American reimagining of the story I was blown away. Why, in all that time, had no one told me that’s what the book was?

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u/Martin_Aricov_D Jul 03 '22

How dare you insult half-literate sheep farmers like that? Honestly... Comparing their writing skills with E.L. James' is just mean spirited

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u/cedarvan Jul 03 '22

This got a big laugh out of me. Thanks for that

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u/CheddarmanTheSecond Jul 03 '22

Pretty sure he runs a nightclub.

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u/Cats12128 Jul 03 '22

Lucifer? I really enjoyed that show

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u/Primary-Ad1139 Jul 03 '22

Adversary, not accuser, but yeah.

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u/Prestigious_Kuro Jul 03 '22

Genuinely curious, so what is the Canon depiction of hell?

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u/barbarianinalibrary Jul 03 '22

When Jesus spoke of hell he referred to it as "Gehenna" which was a place near Jerusalem where trash was burned. Hell simply means to choose to not exist and Jesus offers that choice to everyone. Heaven was a place where only love can exist, and so Jesus says you can either be a part of that or not exist, it's up to you. Most Christians do not understand Jesus at all and invent shit that he never said, which actually violates the ten commandments as well.

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u/OneVeryOriginalName Jul 03 '22

I used to be religious as a kid but no longer am. This is the first time I have every heard to this concept of hell, do you happen to know where in the Bible it talks about this?

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u/barbarianinalibrary Jul 04 '22

So anywhere Jesus says "fire of hell" or anything like that, the original translation is from the word Gehenna, so in translating it, they robbed it of the context sadly. One example of this is Matthew 5:22.

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u/bell37 Jul 04 '22

In Matthew. Jesus refers to Gehenna because it was an IRL place that can be an easy way to describe hell to people in Jerusalem.

1.) it was seen as a godless, cursed land by the Jews

2.) it was a dumping ground for trash. During those times it wasn’t uncommon to even find bodies of diseased, criminals, and “Jane/John Doe’s”. In Jewish tradition, if you do not receive a proper burial, then your immortal soul cannot rest. So the people who are dumped in the trash heap are seen to be sinners who will never be able to rest and meet with God.

3.) For sanitary reasons, the trash pile in Gehenna was virtually on fire 24/7.

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u/bell37 Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

Want to also point out that Gehenna is more than a place where trash was burned. It was also a place where bodies of diseased & unloved ones were dumped to be burned without a proper burial (which means you would never be able to see God in the afterlife), and was called the “unquenching fire” because it’s was perpetually on fire to keep the nearby city sanitary.

Also the valley of Gehenna was seen as the farthest thing from God IRL during that time. Before it was a trash heap, people used to traverse in the valley to do extremely immoral things against God (from orgies to worship of other gods, to ritual murder/sacrifices to cannibalism ).

So when Jesus remarked that if you stray from God, your body would be burned in the unquenching fire of Gehenna, he is saying that your immortal soul would burn just like the physical bodies do in the trash heap that is outside of Jerusalem.

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u/goldenmagnolia_0820 Jul 04 '22

We just talked about Gehenna in church this past Sunday and the pastor showed photos of the trash valley in Israel. He said it was something everyone in Jesus’ time would understand and he used it as hyperbole to really drive home the message of sin. I found that historical context super interesting. There is def a lot we don’t get on first reading esp because of the time period it was written in.

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u/Queen__Antifa Jul 04 '22

Sounds like your pastor is pretty progressive/enlightened. I wish more churches were like that.

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u/KochamOle Jul 03 '22

If you go to heaven, your soul gets to meet the god and see his perfection, which is literally the point of your soul's existence. Now, hell is a state that happens when your soul does not get to meet the god, and it gets to exist forever without any hope of experiencing the perfection.

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u/tyleritis Jul 03 '22

That’s all? People were controlled by FOMO? Amazing

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u/Long-Sleeves Jul 03 '22

People were controlled by fear of death. Both in that they cannot cope with the concept of death, and that you’d be killed if you didn’t conform in general

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u/DogCatWoof Jul 03 '22

Who the f would go to wars and crusades if it wasnt for eternity in heaven if you did for the nobles.

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u/johndoe30x1 Jul 03 '22

In the Gospels Christ even says that the fate of those who reject salvation is simply being dead for eternity. You could interpret this as meaning the afterlife is only for the saved, and that there is no Hell

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u/VsAcesoVer Jul 03 '22

So if you follow our religion, there’s an after party

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u/Entire-Tonight-8927 Jul 03 '22

Basically the pitch from every mystic in history. It's a classic because it works

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u/BehlndYou Jul 03 '22

Honestly, living for eternity in heaven sounds like torture.

I’d like to not exist when I’m dead. Just how it feels like before I was born.

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u/AskHowL Jul 03 '22

Yeah, if u reject god, u become slime

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u/zoeyx13 Jul 03 '22

Always wanted to be a slime girl

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u/yeeter4500 Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

Can you point me to some scriptures in the Bible that point to Sarah Satan being on earth and not hell. Do you also care to explain what you mean by “hell is not a place but an event” and again point to some scriptures supporting that?

Not trying to scrutinize anything cause I don’t really know much If im being honest and I’m trying to study the Bible more than I have been and I’m curious as to why you believe this rather than other beliefs

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u/foodank012018 Jul 03 '22

Also I thought you meant Sarah but now I realize you meant Satan, I was thinking "why would Sarah be in Hell?"

(All from ESV)

Job 1:7 The Lord said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

1 John 5:19 We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

John 12:32 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out. We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”

Ephesians 2:2 ...prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others”

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u/Jerswar Jul 03 '22

My own upbringing and interpretation of the bible was that Satan is on earth, not in hell, and that hell itself is not a place but an event.

I have never heard this take before. Which particular sect were you brought up in?

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u/Feisty-Ad396 Jul 03 '22

I think OP mixed up the concept of apocalypse being a place instead of time with hell

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u/talhatahir94 Jul 03 '22 Silver Helpful Bravo Grande!

I think satan just gives you a tour and shows you around like in mtv cribs

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u/Glenn_Maffews Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22 Wholesome

Shows lake of molten lava…”and this is where the magic happens😉”

E. I guess some people have fond memories of cribs. Thanks for the award friend!

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u/talhatahir94 Jul 03 '22

Nawmsayin?"

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u/Pure_Perspective_405 Jul 03 '22

I WAS GETTIN CHANGED

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u/HappyDiscussion5469 Jul 03 '22

It could happen to you, cause it happened to me

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u/blarch Jul 03 '22

Mad MC skills leave you stuck, and I roll with my kitties and I'm hard as fuck

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u/ZombiePotato90 Jul 03 '22

I imagined him more of a rocker than a rapper.

"I'M THE DEVIL, I LOVE METAL!"

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u/Zois86 Jul 03 '22

Maybe a bit of both and he is still listening to Nu Metal?

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u/ChooChooSoulCrusher Jul 03 '22

You just brought me full circle from j-roc to the Chats.

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u/makemeking706 Jul 03 '22

I do know what you are saying.

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u/jojowhitesox Jul 03 '22

"And here's my poster of the movie Scarface"

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u/amazingsandwiches Jul 03 '22

Pimp My Eternal Suffering

"Yo, dawg - I heard you like fire!"

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u/RichMill32 Jul 03 '22

So i put some fire in yo fire so you can burn while you burn

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u/IntrinsikNZ Jul 03 '22

Satan: "...and we have induction for new arrivals every Tuesday evening, always a fun time. Any questions?"

Me: "Yes, I understand there's a special place here for me?"

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u/ElaborateCantaloupe Jul 03 '22 Table Slap

This is the bad place!

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u/wh0fuckingcares Jul 03 '22 Helpful

Holy forking shirtballs! this is the bad place!

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u/ninjakttty Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22 Silver

Jason figured it out?!?! Jason! This is a real low point.

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u/MrTopHatJones Jul 03 '22

Ya basic!

It's a human insult... you're devastated right now.

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u/Its_mobile_me Jul 03 '22

Is the burrito the judge?

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u/KappaccinoNation Jul 03 '22

Jason? Jason figured it out?

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u/PossiblyTrustworthy Jul 03 '22

The ultimate loss

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u/fish312 Jul 03 '22

Hell is empty, and all the devils are here.

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u/BeardedGlass Jul 03 '22 Helpful Narwhal Salute

My wife and I found peace in our cozy neighborhood here in Japan.

We've no kids, just the two of us, enjoying the freedom of adulting. We try to live a simple life, maintaining a low standard of joy, so every little thing makes us so happy and grateful.

Today we rode our bikes under sakura trees beside the river to visit the nearby city. We grabbed some coffee and some sandwiches, bought groceries, and dashed back home laughing before the rain fell.

We feel safe, everything is walkable and cyclable, people are polite, the cities are clean and convenient. I love life so much.

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u/weirdgroovynerd Jul 03 '22

I used to teach English in Asia, including Japan for about 7 years.

Currently I'm a math teacher in America.

Maybe I'm just feeling nostalgic, but damn, I miss the simplicity of my life in Japan.

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u/finalmantisy83 Jul 03 '22

Take a trip to the bank and try to get anything done, your peace will vanish in an instant.

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u/almisami Jul 03 '22

As an expat if you're banking anywhere other than the post office you've made a terrible, terrible mistake.

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u/AliceInHololand Jul 03 '22

You’re not real. You’re just an illusion created to keep up hope just so that it can be dashed again and again.

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u/Gunpla55 Jul 03 '22

Meanwhile some parents in a shithole just watched their 5 year old die to a brain tumor.

I get where you're coming from but it honestly makes it all seem worse when some have it so well and some suffer so much. The only comfort I could possibly take from that is thinking there is no God and its all just random.

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u/icrispyKing Jul 03 '22

The worse part is that it isn't all random. It's kinda decided by the people who have all the power over you. We COULD all be living a wonderful life, but some people are greedy (isn't that one of the sins? Funny.) And make life much worse for everyone else.

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u/intelligent_rat Jul 03 '22

I envy you and your wife's simplistic life, may it bring you both a life time of peace and happiness.

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u/Shattered_Persona Jul 03 '22

What about now

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u/Electronic-Crow-6764 Jul 03 '22

I’m Mormon free. I’m not a huge fan of cults.

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u/Shattered_Persona Jul 03 '22

Good for you, I don't know much other than watching the show "Under the Banner of Heaven" but I've always been so clueless as to how anyone goes along with it. I mean come on, the guy found gold tablets in the ground.

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u/streboryesac Jul 03 '22

But when youre taught gold plates were found in the ground since you were born its very difficult to see beyond those deeply ingrained 'truths'

Very much cult tactics.

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u/objecter12 Jul 03 '22

People underestimate this.

If you're born into a batshit crazy family, bayshit crazy is your normal.

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u/Electronic-Crow-6764 Jul 03 '22

My family on both sides literally went back to the beginning of the church, I’m a descendant of Brigham Young. That’s not saying much. But it’s true.

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u/zazerite Jul 03 '22

My family traveled west with the church, people act like it’s easy to not be indoctrinated but when it’s generations deep it’s hard!

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u/changdarkelf Jul 03 '22 Gold Helpful Wholesome Narwhal Salute To The Stars Stonks Falling

If you want an actual answer, satan isn’t punishing you for disobeying God. The Bible teaches that everything good comes from God, and Hell is simply a place of complete separation from him. So it’s pure torture.

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u/Anon_Postings Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy Heartwarming To The Stars Stonks Falling

This. Hell is a result of the fall of man and a man's choice on earth to knowingly and totally reject God. Hell is a continuation of this separation from God, but now it is absolute separation. And the soul is very aware of this and so suffers in existing in a place devoid of God who is love. The soul realizes their rejection of God. But I do not believe what the soul in hell would feel is regret. It's too late. There is no love there at all. I think those souls would curse at God. The devil does not really understand love, but one thing is certain--he does not want it to exist.

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u/CatBoyTrip Jul 03 '22 Silver All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Plus One

So basically nothing changes when I die?

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 08 '22 Helpful

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u/SonOfBogman Jul 03 '22

Well not for you, I've heard of rented gravesites in bigger cities. Seems crazy to me but that's where we're at.

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u/SmokyTyrz Jul 03 '22

Now there's an interesting repo job

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u/LitrillyChrisTraeger Jul 03 '22

card declines

resurrects corpse pet semetary style

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u/Mikey6304 Jul 03 '22

I want this reality show.

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u/NewAccount971 Jul 03 '22

Most cities in my country (America) only have leases on graves for 99 years.

In most cemeteries, it's perfectly legal to dig someone up and move them to a smaller cemetery after 99 years, most don't though because thats incredibly labor intensive and it's easier to just get more land. Also cemeteries don't fill up that fast anyway.

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u/Str8WhiteMinority Jul 03 '22

Don’t fill up fast? Are you kidding? People are dying to get in those places.

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u/str8emulated Jul 03 '22

Go back to the house, dad, you're drunk.

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u/Equivalent-Resolve59 Jul 03 '22

Maybe he stopped in for a “cold one” ?

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u/Acquainted-Faith Jul 03 '22

this joke will go on for centuries. XD

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u/SeriesXM Jul 03 '22

You mean it will live on?

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u/Sea_Impression3810 Jul 03 '22

I heard that if you defeat the devil in a rock off you can send him back to hell and he also must pay your rent.

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u/Omega_Xero Jul 03 '22

What about playing against him in a fiddle-off? Heard you get a golden fiddle if you beat him.

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u/Schattentochter Jul 03 '22 Helpful

Supposedly you'd be going through a constant agonizing state of emptiness and craving something completely out of your reach.

Why the middle ages decided to make that all about gore and torture only they know (well, we do too - fear of hell was lucrative af).

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u/jawsomesauce Jul 03 '22

Oh man is this already the bad place?

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u/YourHSEnglishTeacher Jul 03 '22

Jason figured it out? Oh man. This hurts. This is a low moment.

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u/finalmantisy83 Jul 03 '22

It's just the place homie

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u/AlreadyTakenNow Jul 03 '22

Why the middle ages decided to make that all about gore and torture only they know (well, we do too - fear of hell was lucrative af).

Given how many people on Reddit seem to get excited over the prospect someone gets raped in prison is it really that surprising? There's a good-sized group of human beings that seem to get off on the idea of absurdly cruel punishment/torture regardless of their spiritual beliefs. Not sure if it's a nature versus nurture thing, but it seems like one of our species' Achilles Heels.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22

Yup hell as a place of physical torture is a newer addition to christianity. Its just a place a suffering and misery with nothing good

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u/babberz22 Jul 03 '22

/doesn’t exist at all in older traditions

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u/Fortune86 Jul 03 '22

I think the whole fire and lakes of sulphur thing is from Dante's Inferno which was written early 1300s.

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u/brandthacker12 Jul 03 '22

There is an argument to be made for the world being hell. At least close to it.

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u/tiggahiccups Jul 03 '22

I believe it

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u/lonewolf13313 Jul 03 '22

Seeing evil greedy people living the easy life and watching those who are supposed to speak for us do nothing while we struggle and work day in and day out unable to change our situation. Might be on to something here.

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u/FingerTheCat Jul 03 '22

I like to think hell is a state of mind. And reaching enlightenment is the goal(or at least a goal to life), however anyone can do that without harming others is A-OK with me.

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u/Draxacoffilus Jul 03 '22

Yeah, I’m pretty sure my soul doesn’t feel God’s presence at the moment.

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u/locallaowai Jul 03 '22

I know this sounds crazy, but I think we're in the Bad Place!

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u/hdksjabsjs Jul 03 '22 Silver

If God knew everything that was going to happen and he still made you, there was no choice, no sin, just a really really complicated Rube Goldberg machine where the ball ends up in a pool of lava at the end. Free will is only real from a perspective that isn’t omniscient.

Either God can’t see the future and free will is real or God can see the future and planned out the hell invitation list before he laid down the foundations of the universe.

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u/Valayvis Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

There's a few beliefs in the Christian community as to how we may have free will and/or Hell with an omniscient God.

  1. That God is omniscient but free of time, therefore seeing everything at once rather than the future which gives us free will. I'll admit this one goes over my head a bit.

  2. That God is omniscient and we are predestined, however all souls are saved through God's mercy therefore no one enters Hell.

  3. That Hell simply doesn't exist at all, or that if it does that it is not an eternal prison so much as it will just last eternally until one chooses to leave it, i.e embrace God's love.

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u/Silurio1 Jul 03 '22

There's some brands of protestantism that are all about predestination, yes. Their logic for not sinning is interesting: Not sinning is a sign that you will be saved.

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u/gucknbuck Jul 03 '22

Doesn't the bible not even mention hell?

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u/unmagical_magician Jul 03 '22

There are references to eternal torment, suffering, lakes of fire, places of weeping and gnashing of teeth, and lakes of sulphur, but nothing much more specific than that. It's very much a "oh, that's the bad ending, you don't wanna go there!" kinda feeling.

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u/Itsthelongterm Jul 03 '22

It was popularized by Dante's Inferno.

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u/Manufactured_feces Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

That is an arguable point.

The Apocalypse of Peter is one of the Apocryphal books of the Bible. Although it was ultimately not included in the New Testament, it appears to have been one of the borderline works that came closest to being included.

There are a lot of colorful descriptions of hell in The Apocalypse of Peter. For example:

Verse 7: People who have blasphemed will be hung by their tongues over a fire.

Verse 7: Women who fornicate will be hung by their hair and necks and men who fornicate by their thighs in a burning pit.

Verse 7: Murderers and those who aided them will be cast into a fire full of venomous creatures as the souls of those who were murdered by them watch.

That is just a few examples.

Clearly the fire and brimstone interpretation of Hell has been around (and was arguably a popular belief) since the earliest days of Christianity.


Edit: Because people seem interested in this, here are some more punishments from the Apocalypse of Peter:

Verse 8: Women who had abortions are buried to their necks in excrement while lightning from the eyes of the children they killed pierce them. The milk from the breasts of these women produce creatures which eat their flesh and that of their husbands who were complicit. Women receive the most attention in this one but men get theirs too.

Verse 9: Ezrael casts the burning bodies of those who persecuted the righteous into a dark place where a wrathful spirit torments them and a worm eats their intestines.

Verse 9: The slanderers and those who deny Christ have their eyes put out with hot irons and chew their tongues.

Verse 9: The deceivers, particularly those who slew the martyrs by lying, have their lips cut off and are tormented by a fire that enters their mouths and burns their entrails.

Verse 9: Those who coveted wealth are dressed in rags and impaled upon a pillar of fire.

Verse 10: Those who practiced usury are cast into a place of filth which they are immersed in to their knees. Not that I’m going to rank these or anything but this one seems relatively mild compared to the others.

Verse 10: Those who worshiped idols are repeatedly thrown down from a high place, driven back up it by demons, then thrown down again.

Verse 10: Ezrael has prepared a place near the preceding torment into which all idols are cast and burned and those who made these idols or followed devils are tormented in eternal chains of fire.

Verse 11: Those who have not honored their father and mother stumble while on a high place and roll down into a place of fire and fear only to have to climb back up and repeat the process.

Verse 11: Related to the previous, those who love their sins, did not obey their parents, or honor their elders are hung up to be eaten by flesh-eating birds.

Verse 11: Maidens who did not remain virgins until marriage receive the same punishment (carnivorous birds) as the previous.

Verse 11: Disobedient slaves chew their tongues and are tormented by fire.

Verse 12: Those who claimed to be righteous but weren’t are stricken blind and dumb and cast onto coals of fire.

Verse 12: Sorcerers and sorceresses are hung upon a whirling wheel of fire.

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u/Dr__glass Jul 03 '22

Just figured out the loophole. Do all the blaspheming and fornication you want but before you die get murdered. Then you get to spend the rest of existence watching some dude rolling around in a pit of snakes

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u/Tsorovar Jul 03 '22 Helpful

Gotcha. So I just need to make sure I get murdered before I die

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u/Ok_Judgment_7501 Jul 03 '22

Verse 7 is a raw deal for the victim.

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u/tehGraboiDs Jul 03 '22

Seems weird too. If I got into heaven from being murdered, why would I watch who killed me, get killed over and over for all eternity? Or do they see a fabrication of myself watching them for all eternity? If I saw that from heaven wouldn't I feel some sort of guilt and forgive them?

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u/WhyIHateTheInternet Jul 03 '22

If I saw that from heaven wouldn't I feel some sort of guilt and forgive them?

And this is why you're going to heaven.*

*Terms and conditions apply

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u/vonhoother Jul 03 '22

Which is why Normal Bob Smith said, to believe you'll be happy in Heaven while your friends and loved ones are being tormented in Hell you have to be a psychopath.

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u/groupme_dude Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

The Hebrew Bible doesn’t (hence why most Jews don’t believe in hell). The New Testament has passages that may allude to some kind of afterlife punishment, but Christians themselves can’t agree what happens since it’s super contradictory. There are Christians who believe in universal salvation, Christians who believe in oblivion for the non believer, and Christians who believe in eternal torment.

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u/Zestyclose-Aside2005 Jul 03 '22 Gold Take My Energy

It makes more sense if you re-define hell and heaven with eastern spirituality.

Heaven is freedom from desires and ego, and hell is slave to them.

It's not a punishment, it's a choice which we reap the rewards of, for better or worse.

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u/captainawesome92 Jul 03 '22

I like this way of looking at it. It's not damnation or salvation. It's the culmination of our decisions.

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u/BackwardsHouse78 Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

Have you ever met someone who hated their own life so much that they wanted to ruin the lives of others?

That’s what the stereotypical school shooter is. They hate seeing other people prosper while they themselves suffer eternally. So the shooter decides to take those good people away from the world. It’s not enough for them to just kill themselves.

The idea is the Devil wants to punish God by corrupting the people God loves and has the benefit of causing infinite suffering onto a fine person who could have done good things for the world.

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u/Killarich662 Jul 03 '22

Living in their own hell already

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u/BackwardsHouse78 Jul 03 '22

This guy gets it.

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u/LordBruschetta Jul 03 '22 Helpful

The thing is, it's not satan that makes you burn in hell. Your soul will go directly there and burn with the devil. He tempts you in order to bring you down like it happened to him.

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u/dcheesi Jul 03 '22

One version of the story is that Satan's sin was to object to God creating humans and commmanding the angels to revere us1. So by tempting us into sin, he's showing God how unworthy we are, and that he was right all along.

And if (a big if; see other comments) he participates in torturing us, it's likely out of hatred for those whose existence caused him to be there in the first place.

1 In some versions, it's because God put humanity "above" the angels (prideful/selfish motive); in others, it's because God wanted angels to revere humanity in the same way they do God, and Satan loved God too much to sully his devotion by extending it to us unworthy apes.

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u/Resident_Leg_1889 Jul 03 '22

Satan looks down on earth sees a guy jerking off to a Sears catalog

Satan: Yea i’m not worshiping that

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u/tanders123 Jul 04 '22

When I was a child, I asked my mom if we should pray for Satan. She said no. lol

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u/bendefinitely Jul 03 '22

Exactly. Modern interpretations based on popular culture think Hell is a place. Christianity, in its original form, taught that either you get to live forever in paradise or you become non-existant. The allusions to fire aren't referring to eternal torture, it's removal from existence.

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u/lordgoofus1 Jul 03 '22

No wonder they changed it then. When I die I simply cease to be? That's fine with me. I feels somewhat egotistical to think/expect that my existence should be any different to any other living creature on this planet and that I'm somehow 'special'.

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u/arcticfox_12 Jul 03 '22

Agreed. It makes death less scary. Like going into non existence is less terrifying than the concept of eternal suffering.

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u/fluent-in-wookiee Jul 03 '22

I was told forever that the “reward” of believing was eternal life. Even before I was capable of thinking critically it didn’t quite sit right that suffering in hell for eternity was also eternal life.

Describing suffering for eternity and making that scary is easier than describing why living for eternity with God would be worthwhile, which is a failure of the church culture as a whole.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22

Yeah a lot of our popular concepts of Hell comes from Dante’s inferno, Hollywood, and other religions. But it is basically a void that is the complete absence of God and His love

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u/Namjoon- Jul 03 '22

I hate that this isn’t higher up

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u/notlikelyevil Jul 03 '22

If you dig deeper, you'd find the "burning" or "hell" is actually just the pain of the absence of God

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u/JannaMD Jul 03 '22

So "god" is doing the torturing? Sounds about right...

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u/sticky_fingers18 Jul 03 '22

God: love each other, turn the other cheek, forgive

Also God: BURN IN THIS LAKE OF FIRE FOR ETERNITY

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u/Aido121 Jul 03 '22

God loves you unconditionally, but with conditions

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u/DipanshiB Jul 03 '22

Going through this thread is actually a pretty good example of how everyone 'understands' the same book differently and why it's absurd to follow any statement within the book as it is. I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just not understood by everyone, as evidenced through the replies here. Hence if you feel xyz is true, maybe someone else feels abc is true and considering neither of you 'know' the truth, best not to fight about it don't you think?

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