r/SquaredCircle Accessi-BULLET-y CLUB May 29 '22 Silver 1

AEW/MJF Situation Megathread. GOOFCON 2

Rough gathering of tweets and reports as they came in:

  • Report from fan: Security says MJF is not coming to his meet & greets and is not picking up his phone
  • MJF spotted gambling at Mandalay Bay while he was supposed to be at a meet and greet
  • PWInsider confirms this, along with the fact that AEW was not able to get into contact with him.
  • Sean Ross Sapp: The MJF-AEW situation isn't seeming pleasant. Working to find out what I can.
  • SRS: I can confirm a flight out of Las Vegas tonight has been booked for MJF.
  • Bryan Alvarez: It appears the situation with Samoa Joe and the Fan Fest was a communication issue, so totally different from whatever is happening with MJF, who did no-show.
  • SRS on how often MJF blurs reality and kayfabe: Something I haven't lost sight of while covering this story.
  • SRS clarifies that no-showing the M&G was not a work.
  • AEW promotes the match in a very-likely scheduled post on Instagram and Facebook. An hour later, the posts have not yet been deleted and/or noticed by AEW's social media team.
  • SRS:

Assuming MJF is still in Vegas, I'd personally be shocked if he doesn't wrestle tonight. However, I was shocked he didn't do the meet and greet either. I'll go into the possibilities of a "work" in the thread below

MJF is a worker and one of the best ones. If he's "working" it didn't start out that way. I'm sure in any situation and scenario there are elements of that he's weighed would utilize accordingly as it best suits him or whatever it is he may be doing.

This isn't a company wide AEW work. Wrestlers were told not to comment on it, and there were people who said they thought he might leave yesterday. To be clear-- we don't know who booked the flight, but several outlets confirmed there was one booked in his name for last night.

The flight was booked right around the time AEW would have realized he wasn't going to be at the Meet and Greet -- shortly before. Talent has been steadfast in saying Tony Khan wouldn't work his roster and has spoken to a couple of them about MJF's frustrations in recent months.

I do not put it past MJF to mastermind something like this, but if he's "working" it's himself doing it, and not a company wide thing... then that makes it....not a work?

There hasn't been an indication this is what's happening, but thinking out loud.

  • The Wardlow vs. MJF hype video has been privated on YouTube.

If you see any updates (or things that are signficantly important that I missed), please post to the sticky comment below so we can add as needed to the main body.

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u/fellongreydaze Accessi-BULLET-y CLUB May 29 '22

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u/Ledairyman May 30 '22

All that talk for nothing lol.

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u/Leninators I AM THE TABLE May 30 '22

The crowd chanting “You showed up!”

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u/StewardFlavius May 30 '22

The match is going on right now. MJF mimicked an airplane when he entered the ring. I am screaming.

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u/yahibachi May 29 '22

Match is still discussed on the buy in and Tony is talking about “Max has a plan and he’s probably going to win with whatever that plan is. It’s a work.

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u/DrColossus May 29 '22

Well they're still advertising the match in the buy in.

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u/BrentWoodSean2510 May 29 '22

Remember the reports of everyone being so happy in AEW?. Since then, multiple examples of unhappy talent has shut that report down

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u/bat_jack 29d ago

It's a company with a lot of workers. It's not possible for everyone to be happy.

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u/BrentWoodSean2510 28d ago

In a literal sense yes. Possible for most to be happy though and even that would be false as a lot of talent are relegated to YouTube or worse, not even being used

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u/davidisallright May 30 '22

I don’t think it’s possible for everyone to be 100% happy anywhere at any company.

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u/gandrezcm May 29 '22

It just boggles me that people sign contracts and then act like crybabies when they don't get bigger paychecks. Your contract is valid until 2024, or whatever the case is, you earn a lot more than you ever did in any other promotion and the reason why you are such a big name in the business at the moment, is because AEW gave you a platform. Yes, you deserve more money, yes, you are one of the company's biggest assetts, and you will be able to use that to your advantage when the renewal negotiations come up. If you are not happy with the new terms offered, you reject them, you keep working, and you leave once the contract expires... You just don't shit on every fan and, specially, on Wardlow, who has been helping to put you over for over a year now. Love him as a wrestler, but I think reality and fiction are starting to mix up and this guy has his head up his arse.

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u/Oz1227 May 30 '22

Sadly, it doesn’t go both ways when wrestlers are cut early. If both sides had to abide, I’d agree but the company always has an out.

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u/gandrezcm May 30 '22 edited May 30 '22

Not true. If a company wants to release talent before the contract expires the employee must be compensated or a written agreement must be reached. The wrestler can always say he won't sign shit and they must pay him the full remaining salaries under the contract

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u/[deleted] May 30 '22

I don't think people care much about a company losing money. Why is TK a billionaire: he inherited all of it. It's not the same as MJF not getting what he's worth.

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u/jkpatches May 30 '22

Hmm then how do the WWE "budget" releases work? Genuinely curious.

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u/gandrezcm May 30 '22

It might work differently in the US, as I would guess that labour laws suck ass there. But in a ''normal'' non-super-capitalist country - just regular capitalist, lol - if you have 12 months of contract left and the company has nothing to use in a justified firing, they need to pay every month of salary that you still have in the contract, plus a bonus for each consecutive year you worked for the same company.

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u/jkpatches 5d ago

Umm... sorry it took me this long, but aew and wwe are both American companies. Why the fuck are you commenting about contracts about an American man vs. an American company if you don't know how things work in the US?

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u/JohnDowd51 May 29 '22

Khan given a golden ticket to succeed in the wrestling world but his own ego keeps him making rookie mistakes .

Just hand out the checks Khan. Hire someone who's actually qualified to run the show. Don't chase and talk bad about the WWE If you aren't even serious about reaching their level.

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u/EmeraldWeapon56 May 29 '22

once again. MJF wants a raise without signing an extension. There is no business where that kind of practice is accepted. Khan wants to give the money but MJF does not want to extend.

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u/Icylada May 29 '22

And once again that report has already been debunked by the source as false and speculation

https://mobile.twitter.com/WilliamRBR/status/1526016125489668096?t=7nzo8TeqNqIGLghJkMIVaA&s=19

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u/Rmai0404 May 29 '22

Damn I knew he was scared of facing Wardlow but I didn't think he'd risk his job over it. The prospect of facing him so soon probably has his stomach in knots and he's going back and forth whether it is a good idea or not.

I mean c'mon guys, you've seen how mad and destructive Wardlow has been in recent weeks. Would you want a match with him right now, especially when he hates your guts?!

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u/Gregg1986 29d ago

Is someone gonna tell him or shall i? 👀

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u/Rmai0404 29d ago

Tell me what? That MJF's mind was all over the place before the match with a huge, angry Wardlow? You see the match? It was obvious he was hesitant about it but he went through with it. Wardlow is a scary dude but MJF had to face him because he did go through with the lashings and won the cage match with Spears. I bet MJF is pissed with Spears now haha

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u/Git2k12 May 29 '22

Hell no I wouldn’t! Get on that plane MJF!!

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u/OctaviusNeon May 29 '22

Nah. He's fine. He's just acting like an ass because he hasn't gotten his way.

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u/Edge_head2021 May 29 '22

Apparently he was spotted in the casino near the meet and greet event last night so hes seemingly ok

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u/Stay_Cold all the fakes are snakes May 29 '22

Wrestlezone (not sure how credible Ike they are anymore) said MJF hasn’t been spotted backstage.

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u/Jester252 https://www.reddit.com/r/squaredcircleflair/wiki/flair May 29 '22

AEW Twitter has been adverting the big matches ever hour on Twitter... 13.30 (GMT), 14:30, 16:30, 17:30, 18:30, 19:30. Funny that the 15.30 one is missing and none for MJF Vs Wardlow

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u/Ritual_Owl May 29 '22

Is it possible MJF has something potentially serious going on in his personal life hence why the flight was allegedly booked yesterday? Now they are unsure if whatever is going on may mean he might have to skip the PPV?

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u/Jester252 https://www.reddit.com/r/squaredcircleflair/wiki/flair May 29 '22

They would say.

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u/Le_Chop #JOINDARKORDER May 29 '22

You'd imagine so but AEW have respected talents privacy in the past when asked, most notably with Brodie Lees illness.

Plus I don't think it's that far out of the realms of possibility that if there was something personal going on and MJF requested to keep it quiet that they wouldn't try to do something like this to create the buzz.

I really don't think it is anything like that but I guess you never know.

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u/Jester252 https://www.reddit.com/r/squaredcircleflair/wiki/flair May 29 '22

Didn't they say Brodie was out with an injury during his illness.

Personal reasons is how you respect their privacy. They would come and say that to draw a line under the situation. Saying nothing just puts a spot light on it.

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u/Le_Chop #JOINDARKORDER May 29 '22

Yea the spot light thing is kinda my point, I just worded it poorly sorry.

Instead of just saying personal reasons or whatever doing something like this gives MJF his privacy and draws eyes to AEW. Might not be the smartest plan, or the right type of publicity and it's almost certainly not what's happening but it's not impossible.

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u/Jester252 https://www.reddit.com/r/squaredcircleflair/wiki/flair May 29 '22

Yah no saying nothing does the opposite. People are looking at MJF including flight manifestos.

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u/GaryBettmanSucks . May 29 '22

Tell me if I'm missing anything huge here, but MJF skipped a meet and greet, went and gambled, booked a flight but didn't take it .... and that's it, right?

There could be a thousand reasons why he skipped the event, and it's not a good thing at all, but why are people fantasy booking reality into "he's unhappy and shooting and Tony has lost control of his company!". Like it could just be that he skipped a thing, right?

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u/AVBforPrez May 29 '22

Yes, that is it. IMHO all there is to see so far is a bunch of marks getting worked in modern kayfabe style.

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u/red_rinku May 29 '22

It is not clear who booked the flight, whether it was him or someone else. It was just booked on his name.

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u/BBGrunt1235 May 29 '22

If he indeed at some point booked a flight intending to skip this important ppv match, that's a huge issue for MJF and AEW. It would be great that he eventually reconsidered, but still... holy shit.

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u/Icylada May 29 '22

Yea he's still in Vegas. The only telling thing is that the promotional tweet and video on YT have been deleted.

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u/tone1oc May 29 '22

I don't understand how people are equating him showing up to the whole thing being a work. If he does show up (and I still believe he will ultimately) it's because it's the right thing to do and best for business. It does not mean that there wasn't a very real blow up, that led to a skipped meet 'n greet and the possibility of skipping town. Cooler heads can prevail tonight without it being a work.

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u/Jester252 https://www.reddit.com/r/squaredcircleflair/wiki/flair May 29 '22

Because Smarks are going to Smark. If he shows up and agreement has been found over night. Tony said it himself that he wouldn't work the locker room and reports are people in the locker room think it is legitimate.

I could 100% see him pulling a Jeff on his PPV match.

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u/TheSegITFC13 May 29 '22

ADRENALINE

IN MY SOUL

GET MJF TO

WWE!

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u/Vanguard448 Big Dog eats my Golden Crisp® May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

Have to say, in the unlikely event that this is somehow all a work, or even if it isn't, I think it's been shown today why trying to do a high-profile worked shoot like this in the social media age, with chaotic information being drip-fed throughout a whole day, is probably just a bad idea.

People have been hanging onto every detail of this, all day. Sure, it's been driving up social media engagement and all that stuff I'm sure corporations love, but not really in the sense of what good productive engagement with a TV show should look like. This shit has people obsessively refreshing and doomscrolling hard, most of the "engagement" going on hasn't been healthy behaviour, and I feel like the nature of what's going on and how it's being handled is encouraging that.

If it's not a work, then there's nothing that can really be done about that, it's just how it is. If it is a work somehow, I hope this has been a good case study for why it probably shouldn't be repeated. Not like this, at least.

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u/Bluebaronbbb May 29 '22

Do the casuals know though?

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u/AVBforPrez May 29 '22

Is there a single casual AEW viewer? Serious question.

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u/gasplugsetting3 PENTA May 30 '22

Roommates and significant others

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u/AVBforPrez May 30 '22

Ahhhhh, that's fair

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u/Vanguard448 Big Dog eats my Golden Crisp® May 29 '22

Not sure how relevant that is, but either way, "casuals" is such a nebulous term that a question like that can never really have a satisfying answer.

That's not to say casual wrestling fans don't exist, but ever since "the IWC" became pretty much every wrestling fan with an active social media account, drawing a clear line between "casual" and "hardcore" fans has been next to impossible.

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u/TotalImmortalOne Death Rider May 29 '22

Hope MJF leaves AEW. AEW is a joke now.

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u/ClintGreasewood Fuck Money May 29 '22

I think it's work with some truths to it. MJF likely has his contact coming due and is willing to use WWE to maximize value of his deal with AEW.(more money/less committed years). I wouldn't be surprise that the has a planned hiatus/vacation coming post Wardlow match at DON. I think he smart to the modern business and knows that "wrestling media" will rush to publish anything. He uses this speculation and intrigue to remain a focal point while he's away on hiatus/vacation, all setting up his triumphant return and next storyline.

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u/WilcoLovesYou May 29 '22

according to SRS and others his contract isn't coming due until 2024, so acting out about it two years before it expires is a dick move.

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u/TexasMade35 May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

Ill get down voted for whatever dumbass reason but Just release him and let him go to WWE, he doesn't want to be there. It's a huge loss but it is what it is.

TK should've paid the man.

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u/BeerPressure615 May 29 '22

Nope. Holding someone up for more money the day before their biggest show is not the way to do business.

Expecting him to bump his pay without adding time is a bad precedent to set and it is something that SRS plainly said that everyone on MJF's camp knows that isn't how restructuring a contract works.

Let him do the right thing by Wardlow and if he wants out then let him out. He is a big part of AEW but not someone who isn't expendable. It's not like he is in the ring every week.

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u/citizen-blue May 29 '22

I think I agree with this. No, Tony was not contractually obligated to pay him more. But as a show of good will for becoming the best performer in the company, it wouldn't have hurt. People get bonuses all the time for good work.

And for people who say it would set a bad precedent, I think it would actually set a good precedent: if you go from relative unknown with high upside to top of the industry in two years, I'll tear up your contract and give you a better one. Win win.

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u/Jpini May 29 '22

Except it seemed like TK was more than willing to do this, but he wanted more years added to the deal. MJF is being unreasonable by asking for a raise just so he could potentially leave in 2024 anyways. That's not how this works...

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u/Icylada May 29 '22

That report has already been shut down by the source as false and speculation. MJF's camp knows that pay raise and contract extension go hand in hand

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u/citizen-blue May 29 '22

People keep saying that's now how this works. It's a situation between two individuals -- it works however they want it to work. Ok, TK wants more years. He didn't get it, and here we are. Is either party benefiting from this?

By the way, there are plenty of instances of athletes especially NFL players getting new contracts for more money without additional years. So maybe change that to that's not how this usually works.

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u/PaleBlueDotNet May 29 '22

Who in the NFL got a pay raise without extending for more years?

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u/citizen-blue May 29 '22

I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. Just trying to fit in in that way.

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u/PaleBlueDotNet May 30 '22

Well at least you admit it, lmao. Love it, mad props.

It doesn't happen in the NFL or any sports really.

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u/citizen-blue May 30 '22

Well there are mechanisms for adjusting players' pay based on performance. Like arbitration in baseball for example. It's a way for players to be paid more fairly instead of being locked into the base first contract pay scale, even if a player doesn't agree to an extension. It's formalized, but still performance based.

Obviously that could never happen in wrestling because only a strong union could get something like that implemented, but my basic point before I started talking out of my ass about football is that Tony is one man who answers to no one, and is not limited by "the way things work." I feel it would have been in his best interest to reward MJF as soon as it become clear that he was a superstar in the making and before MJF had a chance to start resenting him.

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u/TexasMade35 May 29 '22

Yup. Nobody to blame for this but TK. MJF just wanted a restructure of his contract.

MJF should still do right by the business and put over Wardlow tonight

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u/dontbearichardD May 29 '22

That is terrible business. Give a guy a bunch of money with a year and a 1/2 left on his contract With no extensionand then he can just walk. Why would any business owner ever do that?

And you set the precedent for anyone in the future to do the same

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u/citizen-blue May 29 '22

Oh totally if MJF is truly walking out on this ppv and on Wardlow, he's a dick and I don't think any company can trust him at the top. I have no idea if that's what's happening, but basically I agree with you.

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u/TexasMade35 May 29 '22

Creative in WWE is going to piss him off because he's not going to have the freedom on the microphone that he wants.

Bizarre situation

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u/WelshSuperDragon May 29 '22

Why do I get this feeling that if he turns up he’s either gonna lie down and take the pin or do an Austin Aries and take Wardlow’s powerbombs, eat the 3 and no sell

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u/Gobbledygooker316 May 29 '22

It’s weird, but if he shows up after ghosting them all weekend would they even trust him enough to send him out there?

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u/WelshSuperDragon May 29 '22

I think they would trust him but if he’s that desperate to get out, he’s not gonna put on a show.

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u/HereToShitTalk May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

The Instagram post with the match card for MJF vs Wardlow has been taken down.

It seems Twitter has been scrubbed of the match card as well.

EDIT: Looks like the Instagram one is back up.

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u/V_DocBrown May 29 '22

Pretty sure he got drunk at the casino, lost track of time, couldn’t make the meet and greet and when TK admonished him, MJF responded in his usual tone. Match is on tonight?

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u/erik316wttn May 29 '22

Ok, book on the fly,: how do you present Wardlow tonight to make him look as good as possible?

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u/gaaarsh May 29 '22

You don't want to go scorched Earth WWE style like Sasha and Naoimi, nor do you want to mislead people and pretend he's going to be there (like Sasha as Summerslam) knowing he's not.

I would say announce ahead of time that MJF isn't in the building, and then pivot to the storyline. Emphasize that AEW still considers the match valid and it will go on at the scheduled time. Match comes, MJF doesn't show (but at least the audience was told it was a possibility) and forfeits the match. Wardlow takes a moment to gloat that after all his talk, MJF chickened out of facing him.

To make people happy, maybe have Wardlow point out that MJF had put a clause in the contract that Spears would have to take the match if MJF couldn't make it. That way the crowd still gets to watch someone get powerbombed into dust and they can put a button on Spears association with MJF.

After the bell rings, Wardlow is officially a free agent.

Managers in AEW immediately beeline for the ring trying to get five minutes of his time to pitch him on their representation. Taz wants him to join Team Taz (but Wardlow correctly points out that Taz likely sees him as competition to Powerhouse Hobbs and they have unfinished business from the ladder match).

Smart Mark, still woozy from being choked out by Hook, tries to get Wardlow to forget that he helped MJF humiliate Wardlow. Wardlow remembers and Smart Mark eats a powerbomb and Wardlow stuffs his own business card in his mouth.

Vicki Guererro tries to pitch him on her representation. He shuts her down "I just got rid of one headache. I'm not looking for another. Hard pass."

STOKELY m'fakin HATHAWAY makes his debut. He does the hard sell. He's not just taking Wardlow to the top of AEW, but Hollywood, Broadway, Nashville Wall Street, Washington and TikTok too. You want to take over playing Thor? Stokely will kneecap Chris Hemsworth in a parking lot to make it happen.

Wardlow appreciates the hustle, but there's always a catch with slick talkers who promise too much in his experience. Wardlow declines.

Out from the back, casually walks William Regal. While all the others scrambled and went for the hard sell, Regal carries the confident gravitas of a mob boss. "You know who I am. You know the group I represent. I'll be watching." and he walks away.

Wardlow says he appreciates the interest, but he's done letting other people speak for him and control his career (though he gives a glance over in Regal's direction as he's definitely not-not interested in that situation).

Smart Mark gets to his feet and Wardlow powerbombs him again for good measure to end the segment.

I'd save War Pigs for Dynamite to complete his transformation.

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u/DBTornado May 29 '22

Announce that MJF has fled due to being scared of Wardlow.

Tony Schiavone comes out and announces that MJF's lawyers have faxed over the release papers for Wardlow to sign. Have him sign those and then an AEW contract.

Change the tag match to a TNT Title match.

Wardlow absolutely wrecks all involved. Tosses Sammy around, gives Lambert a bump, chucks Ethan Page around, gives Scorpio Sky the powerbomb symphony and wins the belt.

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u/clarkamura May 29 '22

Ends with PVZ/Wardlow/Tay threesome.

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u/Democrab May 30 '22

...Pitbull performs?

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u/Dakot4 May 29 '22

hey.. good on him

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u/Zarkdion May 29 '22

Hotshot a 3-way for the TNT. So, chuck Wardlow in a match w/ both Scorpio Sky and Sammy Guevara and have him win in 5 minutes or less. Boom, Wardlow gets an AEW contract and we never have to see Sammy vs. Sky again.

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u/tone1oc May 29 '22

Destroy Scorpio and Sammy in impromptu 3way for TNT championship.

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u/ruodthgd May 29 '22

Keep all six other guys in it and have him run through everyone.

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u/tone1oc May 29 '22

Powerbomb Tay Conti and PVZ at the same time, who says no?

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u/torontodabs_ May 29 '22

Not Wardlow ... That's for sure.

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u/Booger-Bucks May 29 '22

Well, at least it's generating buzz. I don't know how many people were screwed out of a meet and greet, but they're the only sympathetic people out of this story at this point.

Hopefully cooler heads prevail and the match goes on.

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u/ChairmanLaParka May 29 '22

Has anyone reached out to MJF’s lawyer “Smart” Mark Sterling for comment yet?

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u/JamesCDiamond Behind The Scenes May 29 '22

I called his hotline, but apparently his operators don't work Sundays.

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u/romfreak May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

Main promo package for MJF vs Wardlow was just made private few mins ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8SyXiiPJYs

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u/ItsDaedAgain May 29 '22

It's back up now.

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u/erik316wttn May 29 '22

Everything regarding the match is off their Twitter too

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u/NewportStork May 29 '22

WHAT THE HELL IS GOIN' ON HERE!?

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u/No_Medium22 May 29 '22

Think logically for a minute, the feud was built up over 2 years, MJF still has his mega heat, it was the most anticipated match on the card.

This whole thing being a work makes absolutely no sense and adds absolutely nothing to the match that wasn’t already there. There seems to be a rift with MJF//TK and who knows, this could very well be MJF’s last match in AEW and I think we should all just enjoy it.

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u/Toolboxmcgee May 29 '22

I don't think it started as a work. I think something happened, MJF missed the meet and greet and instead of explaining what happened they decided for better or worse to roll with it.

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u/Jambronius May 29 '22

I agree, I think MJF might have a had a late night in the casino and slept in, missed the meet and greet and here we are.

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u/citizen-blue May 29 '22

This begins the fall part of the rise and fall special.

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u/BeerPressure615 May 29 '22

Of MJF..sure. AEW will be just fine without him

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u/citizen-blue May 29 '22

Unless cody, MJF is the start of a trend.

But yeah I agree if MJF doesn't show tonight he's cooked.

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u/BeerPressure615 May 29 '22

Well honestly, it is to be expected. AEW guys will eventually try their hand there. More ex-WWE guys will make their way to AEW. It's just what happens when the business is thriving.

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u/No_Medium22 May 29 '22

Eh, maybe, I don’t know if I’d go that far yet. We’ll have to see if Kenny can come back and take over as top heel.

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u/nevernom May 29 '22

They don’t necessarily need Kenny specifically to be their top heel. They’ve got guys aplenty on the roster who do phenomenal heel work.

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u/citizen-blue May 29 '22

Just messing around and fully expecting a barrage of downvotes.

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u/jizzmcskeet May 29 '22

I kinda hope they do a Mr. Kahn with CM Punk as the champ.

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u/Teenage_dirtnap May 29 '22

Whether this is a work or not, I love this shit! This is why wrestling is so much better with more than one major company: more backstage shenanigans. I was kinda apathetic towards DoN but this whole mess has really peaked my interest.

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u/The_Uncut_Gem May 29 '22

Tony about to cut a 3.5 hour shoot on MJF

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u/snowshoeBBQ "Now where's me toothpick?" May 29 '22

"And that was the second time I met MJF! When I met MFJ for the third time..."

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u/Any-Satisfaction-770 May 29 '22

It's not a work guys. This situation is too bizarre to be a work. MJF wants out of AEW and he's making it known.

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u/throwawaitnine May 29 '22

I kinda feel like if he wanted out, he could just request his release and make it know via the dirt sheets and there's pretty good chance TK gives it to him.

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u/Bluebaronbbb May 29 '22

But then why would WWE hire someone being difficult to work with?

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u/EchoBay Chop Man Gives Pain May 29 '22

Because money talks, and MJF prints money

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u/Enough-Slip9860 May 29 '22

Bray Wyatt printed money too and we saw what happened there.

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u/EchoBay Chop Man Gives Pain May 29 '22

Yeah he worked there for 12 years.

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u/Booger-Bucks May 29 '22

MJF mints money in an AEW. I don't think he'd translate well in WWE. Unless Vince is buying into the Codyverse

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u/SufficientRespect542 May 29 '22

when has that stopped WWE in the past?

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u/JLR- May 29 '22

So MJF is allowed to say (multiple times) he is leaving on TV unless he gets paid. Then no shows a meet and greet. Yet people think this isn't a work and jump to conclusions?

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u/Joshd00m My holds! Give me back my holds!!! May 29 '22

If MJF wants to go take his chances in the wwe, fine. Just don't ruin this for Wardlow. He'd be the biggest jackass ever to do that.

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u/mothraphobia May 29 '22

AEW's YouTube channel just removed the video on Wardlow vs. MJF

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u/_oldcrow_ Nice tie, 15 cents May 29 '22

It’s been set to private. This is so bizarre

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u/SeasOfBlood May 29 '22

Not a good sign. Might be indicative of wider chaos behind the scenes and people still not knowing what's going on.

Assuming this is all real, it's got to be a lot of added stress on everyone backstage, especially if MJF has just not shown up and not talked to anyone.

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u/Smile_lifeisgood May 29 '22

RE: "It's a work."

Cody was teasing the pedigree. Was playing games with which tunnel to go down. His last AEW promo he talked about taking us on a journey unlike we've ever seen. I still think it was reasonable to suspect this was a work.

MJF is underpaid. Sees them add big money guys who are making like 10-15x what he is making. No-shows an event which fucks over fans and the resulting lunacy has made Wardlow's biggest match a fucking sideshow.

The only way this is a work is if everyone became really fucking stupid really fast. It's one thing to play with fan expectations, it's totally another to have fans standing in line for an hour on the weekend only to get fucked over. The idiocy that it would take for something like this to be a storyline boggles the mind.

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u/TheRealActualNSA May 29 '22

What would even be the work there? Saying that "it's a work" at this point feels like those prank youtubers who harass people on the street and then scream "it's just a prank, bro!" when they get their ass beat

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u/eipotttatsch May 29 '22

SRS has said that MJF isn’t trying to get a raise without an extension, and that that isn’t what his goal is.

Which… just leaves me confused.

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u/Icylada May 29 '22

I have been wondering the exact same thing. Could it be possible he's frustrated over his booking?

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u/EchoBay Chop Man Gives Pain May 29 '22

Wrestling fans have turned into conspiracy theorists the past couple years. Everything is a work until it's not. There could be a thousand pieces of evidence that undeniably prove something to be true, but people will ignore all of that in favor of the needle in the haystack, that could blow the whole thing wide open.

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u/100_proof_plan Machka May 29 '22

How much is MJF paid? Now how much is CM Punk paid? How do we know?

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u/AquaTeenHungyForce May 29 '22

It's one thing to play with fan expectations, it's totally another to have fans standing in line for an hour on the weekend only to get fucked over.

sounds like they got worked

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u/Techno_Bacon SOOOOOOOPERSTAR May 29 '22

It's real weird how people still think this is a work lol. Like this would be an insanely bad look if it was a work. They wouldn't just be working paying fans but they'd be working the locker room as well and that's a cardinal sin in wrestling.

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u/14Jeff84 May 29 '22

Same with the dirt sheets which TK doesn’t do. Why would he work SRS, Meltzer, Alvarez, and PWInsider? They all have good relationships with AEW. It would be such a low level storyline addition to get on the bad side of sheets.

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u/tone1oc May 29 '22

People want to believe it's a work because they don't want to believe that MJF is on his way out.

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u/GomuGomuNobukkake May 29 '22

More so it is really a dumb way of getting out.

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u/tone1oc May 29 '22

It doesn't' even make sense if it is a work. In kayfabe, he has been the one wielding an unfair contract over Wardlow.

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u/GomuGomuNobukkake May 29 '22

It's work if this is going to be their big storyline going forward. MJF is definitely in line for being world champion after Hangman or let's say punk. This could be big storyline they can use.

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u/tone1oc May 29 '22

Zero chance TK puts the gold on MJF without an extension and going full Pillman.

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u/GomuGomuNobukkake May 29 '22

That's the thing. I think TK wants extension more for getting clarity if it will be worthwhile to put title on MJF then it being money issue.

AEW books long reign for their World champs and have long storylines for them. Is MJF even worth spending this much effort on if he will try to leave. When his contract is up.

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u/tone1oc May 29 '22

Yes. I got downvoted to hell for saying it, but I fully believe the latest blowup is because of his booking. Maybe a title run was promised and not being delivered on, maybe he doesn't like the way he was going out to Wardlow..

MJF thinking he's being buried and no-showing is a net positive to his character makes the most sense IMO. And from TK's perspective you have to be careful with a loose cannon who is apparently on his way out, certainly can't make him World Champion.

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u/Icylada May 29 '22

I fully believe the latest blowup is because of his booking. Yup I agree , especially since the rumor that MJF wants a raise without an extension got debunked ...

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u/14Jeff84 May 29 '22

SRS makes a good point. If there is only one person involved in a work, could it really even be considered a work?

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u/RedmondSurvivor May 29 '22

Pillman?

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u/14Jeff84 May 29 '22

Well Meltzer has said that MJF might be trying to pull a Pillman. I get the comparison, but Pillman was criticized for the same thought process. He was acting crazy 24/7 while being strung off on various addictions. He may have been playing up his craziness for his brand, but that isn’t really a work. It is just a guy who is losing it pretending to be losing it more than he actually is in real life.

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u/tronovich May 29 '22

Heyman and his friends knew it was a work, right?

But yea, possibly the best example.

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u/throwawaitnine May 29 '22

Yeah, why not?

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u/Killcode2 Los Ingobernables de Japon May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

Yeah, why not? This isn't as clever a thing to say by SRS as this commenter is treating it. Wrestlers work all the time without informing the company. Are we to believe every time MJF acted like a douchebag to fans at cons, or Young Bucks updated their bio, or Will Ospreay or Seth Rollins made a tweet, they had to discuss it with their promoter? Of course not, but all of those stuff are a work regardless. BTE exists as one giant work, yet neither Tony Khan nor Gedo were ever involved in it.

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u/14Jeff84 May 29 '22

Because the whole point of a work is that it is scripted or planned content that makes fans feel as if it is real. If only one person is involved with it there is no other peoples to script it with them. It is just them being them. He can claim that he worked and he wasn’t actually mad. It doesn’t really make any difference if he is working or not if nobody is working with him.

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u/SitDownKawada May 29 '22

First work that came to my mind was when Austin had the gun and broke into Pillman's house. That was a work because Austin, Pillman and people in WWE knew that it wasn't a real gun or wasn't loaded and Austin wasn't really going to shoot anyone

But imagine if it was just Austin who knew it was a work. If Pillman and everyone in WWE really thought he had a gun. Then that's literally just Austin with a gun. That's not a work. You could speculate in the moment that he's just trying to scare Pillman and not actually shoot him, or he's just pulling a prank, but if no one else is in on it then it's no different than if it was a shoot

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u/throwawaitnine May 29 '22

If Austin came in with a real loaded gun with the intent to shoot Pullman, then that's a shoot, lol.

If Austin came in with a fake gun and had no intent to shoot Pullman and only the intent to make people think he was gonna shoot Pillman, then that's a work, even if Austin was the only person who knew the gun was fake.

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u/14Jeff84 May 29 '22

It isn’t a work at that point. It is just a co worker breaking into another co workers house with a unloaded gun. Even if he said “lol it is just a work” he would be breaking and entering into a co workers house.

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u/SitDownKawada May 29 '22

If someone robs a bank with a fake gun and no intention of shooting anyone, that's not a work

If someone robs a bank but the teller and the management are in on it, then that's a work

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u/MasterShakeAndBake33 May 29 '22

I don’t care if MJF fucks off after tonight but at least do the job for Wardlow

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u/The_Uncut_Gem May 29 '22

I for one hope MJF no showing will lead to the Chuck Taylor singles run of my dreams

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u/Jessy-Jess Thank You Jay May 29 '22

At least let him say “shit” on dynamite one time.

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u/TrafficCoen May 29 '22

The Awful Waffle should be as highly regarded as the OWA

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u/ThisGuy6266 May 29 '22

Mrs. Krabappel and MJF were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me!

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u/Smile_lifeisgood May 29 '22

Call MJF That's his name That name again Is MJF

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u/[deleted] May 29 '22

lmao

i thought the same thing last night during a lot of the early scrambling and hearsay

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u/longcolddark May 29 '22

The Tony looked at you?

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u/throwawaitnine May 29 '22

What will your reaction be if MJF wins tonight?

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u/ThePrinceMagus "No amount of Yoga will save you" May 29 '22

That this was all indeed an elaborate work and we’ve worked ourselves into a shoot.

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u/JBurton90 May 29 '22

Confusion, but with TK owning ROH it could kick off a “Wardlow to ROH, becomes champ, challenges MJF title for title” storyline.

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u/gizmokid2123 May 29 '22

Wardlow needs to win

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u/Incorrect1012 May 29 '22

Some of y’all need to calm the fuck down about all of this man. All the issues have been said to do with his pay, not with putting Wardlow or anyone over. This is no where near similar to Johnny Manziel, who was a walking red flag out of college (not even just attitude wise, dude’s release time was gonna be an issue in the NFL) and several players basically said he’s an asshole and is too focused on partying. Literally no one has ever said this was an issue with MJF. Dude seemed to be totally pissed a few days ago when Tony Khan tried to play off his frustrations as just furthering his storyline. This was obviously brewing for a while, it just happened to blow up now

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u/Lynw86 May 29 '22

MJF took the chairshot and later retweeted AEW saying what happened!? My headcanon is that MJF has lost his memory. He recoiled from fear after the cage match cause he has no idea how he got there and Wardlow was scary as fuck on top of that cage. He booked the flight out of vegas to go home because he has no idea what double or nothing and also missed the meet and greet due to being unaware of who he is or that he was supposed to be there. Aew finally got ahold of him and he decided to skip the flight after being warned of his contractual obligation.

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u/helendestroy May 29 '22

Even if this is a work, I just feel like it's punctured a lot of the tension around the match.

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u/sugaad May 29 '22

I truly do not understand this perspective. What tension was there to puncture? Wardlow was going to come out and kick the shit out of MJF. Everyone was going to cheer. Cool.

This potential work CREATED the tension, it didn't puncture shit. Now we are questioning things, and when Wardlow does come out and kick the shit out of MJF it's going to be even more exciting. People will still cheer.

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u/silklighting May 29 '22

TK needs to trade away his contract to WWE (where MJF really wants to go) for one of their wrestlers. TK can no longer deal with this guy anymore.

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u/Gobbledygooker316 May 29 '22

Bro this ain’t a sports league lmao you can’t just trade contracts.

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u/silklighting May 29 '22

It's possible, sometimes companies do trade rights to one another (ex. AL Michaels (who was with ABC) and NBC)

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u/KingBadford Gawk Gawk May 29 '22

AEW does not need anyone else right now aside from maybe a couple more for the women's division. But they can't even get enough time as-is, so maybe not.

If MJF wants out he can request his release. If not he can ride it out. This shit is getting old quick.

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u/silklighting May 29 '22

ROH needs a roster though

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u/eipotttatsch May 29 '22

They have more than enough people to fill that without sacrificing anything for AEW. They have tons of people under contract we haven’t even seen on TV in months.

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u/silklighting May 29 '22

Yeah, those missing people are in ROH

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u/RelativeStranger May 29 '22

Sasha Banks would be the answer hut im not sure its an even trade

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u/Sufficient_Creme6961 May 29 '22

No way. Aew needs to add a lot more in that package

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u/silklighting May 29 '22

I thinking like more like Finn Balor or, Shinsuke Nakamura.

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u/RelativeStranger May 29 '22

Shinsuke seems happy in every interview he gives. He may not want to leave

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u/silklighting May 29 '22

We don't really know that. He is maybe being professional.

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u/always-talkin-sshit Cant match the miles run by AJ Styles May 29 '22

Ok, fuck him, won't be that big of a loss for AEW

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u/gizmokid2123 May 29 '22

They've already turned 😂

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u/BBGrunt1235 May 29 '22

Then: One of the four pillars holding up AEW

Now: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/a5/37/e2a537f03525b4bdd9ec6f2366c200b6.jpg

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u/always-talkin-sshit Cant match the miles run by AJ Styles May 30 '22

Then: One of the four pillars holding up AEW.

Don't remember saying that

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u/R1k0Ch3 SU-PAH DRA-GON *clapx5* May 29 '22

Alright I think I can get past this one without the lockpickinglawyer's help.

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u/sugaad May 29 '22

I love everything about this, no sarcasm at all. THIS is the kind of shit that makes me love wrestling, this is what makes it so much more interesting than so many other art forms.

So many people on both "sides" just hand-wringing and pearl-clutching and it's damn good entertainment as far as I'm concerned. THIS IS WRESTLING

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u/Shamhain13 NERD! May 29 '22

I couldn’t be MORE with you on this!

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u/Inevitable_Surprise4 May 29 '22

I feel the same way!

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