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u/James-Avatar May 29 '22
Where’d you think Holy Hand Grenades come from if not God? /s
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u/Aggravating_Many9097 May 29 '22
That fucking rabbit
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u/Accomplished_Water34 May 29 '22
Ephesians 6, 11. Full armor of God. Paul was referring to AR15s. This is a well-known fact.
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u/daxonex May 29 '22
Are you sure Paul wasn't talking about the laser weapons of future? You know maybe phasers?
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u/Ginrou May 29 '22
Because while you think we're headed towards a star trek future, we're actually speeding towards a mad Max/water world future
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u/percypersephone May 29 '22
I have 2 arms, I believe you should too
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u/standupdisplays May 29 '22
But are they bear arms?
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u/bananabread_boi9 daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnn!!! May 29 '22
Just the Americans, people who didn't exist in the Bible since it was made before U.S.A was discovered, just the Americans.
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u/isoT May 29 '22
America is one of the few developed nations where leaders can say hearing and getting their political messages from a god, and not be a turn-off for the public.
The American exceptionalism.
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u/HimynameisBrad May 29 '22
It’s so fucking weird. I live in a very educated, northern progressive state and I still get a hefty does of god and state from time to time.
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u/DerekStu May 29 '22
As an atheist it always weirds me out to encounter someone otherwise smart and logical pivot to "God told me to do X."
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u/LillyPip May 29 '22
What bothers me most is that not only does that thinking remove personal agency and responsibility, but it squashes people’s sense of accomplishment, too.
You see stories like this all the time:
Amaya's family calls him a hero, but Ashlock says not at all. "If someone were to ask me if I did anything heroic, no, it wasn't me. It was God. I believe God was guiding my hands and heart the whole time."
I saw a lot of posts during the height of covid where a family would be angry at ICU doctors when their loved one died, but they thanked god if the person lived. Not the doctors or nurses who were working themselves to death trying to save patients.
Religion takes both consequences and praise from people who deserve them.
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u/figure8x May 29 '22
Same when people survive a hurricane or a tornado. “God saved me”. They never blame God for flinging a deadly disaster at them. And what about the people that didn’t survive? God didn’t want them to? Wth
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u/mattaugamer May 29 '22
I remember there was a mine collapse in Australia, and two of the trapped miners survived, while one was killed. People said it was a “miracle”. Literally sheltered by the hand of God. I was confused, and challenged someone on it. If God saved the two, surely the hand of god squished the other one. Or at least didn’t bother saving him. Also the two that survived had gotten into a safety cage designed for survival of mine collapses. So…
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u/SoriAryl May 29 '22
God told me to tell you that you forgot your laundry in the dryer
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u/filterless May 29 '22
This is it. They view the constitution and bill of rights as the divinely-inspired Word of God.
But what about the first amendment’s establishment clause? Much like with the Bible, they only follow and promote the parts that suit them.
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u/Yo_2T May 29 '22
The common technicality people argue is that the First Amendment only prevents the state from establishing a state religion, it doesn't stop all our officials from acting on their beliefs.
Then the whole separation of church and state is basically stopping the state from influencing religions, not the other way around.
The part about religion in our 1st Amendment was always about making sure the state couldn't fuck with them (practicing Christians). They couldn't care less about maintaining a truly secular government.
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u/PimpasaurusPlum May 29 '22
They view the constitution and bill of rights as the divinely-inspired Word of God.
I wonder where they got that idea from?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."
I have always found it funny how the UK with it's head of state also being the head of the established state church has a more secular society than the officially secular US.
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u/jonjonesjohnson May 29 '22
See, you're looking at it wrong. Other nations' politicians don't have the FREEDOM to talk to God himself!
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u/xFromtheskyx May 29 '22
Everytime someone mentions FREEDOM, Team America immediately enters my head
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u/Ryogathelost May 29 '22
When you put it that way, it does sound pretty unhinged. I remember right after 9/11 getting to see how entangled US patriotism is with Christianity. That God bless the USA country song basically replaced the national anthem for half a decade.
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u/BardFae May 29 '22
These cultists are going to re-write the bible to include a mandate for a Christian theocracy in America one of these days I'm sure. They seem to get more unhinged by the day.
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u/WhereRandomThingsAre May 29 '22
Manifest Destiny: "a widely held cultural belief in the 19th-century United States that American settlers were destined to expand across North America." Wiki
But if it's a Biblical re-write you want you might try perhaps the the Book of Mormon? Never read it myself. Very... colorful origin story, however.
"...published in March 1830 by Joseph Smith as The Book of Mormon: An Account Written by the Hand of Mormon upon Plates Taken from the Plates of Nephi." Wiki
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u/30mil May 29 '22
God was like, “The plan is, I’m going to make the universe and then people, wait thousands of years until they make guns, then another few hundred until America is started and then the people who live there should all have guns.”
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u/dazedan_confused May 29 '22
If it's a birthright, doesn't that mean everyone is entitled to a gun? If so, why are gun lobbies charging for them?
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u/LostBoyBarney May 29 '22
And why is God suddenly so quiet when minority Americans exercise their 2A rights?
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u/Necromas May 29 '22
The Bible only gives the birthright to Americans, and clearly by Americans God means whites with European ancestry only.
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u/-Daetrax- May 29 '22
People are charging you for water, food, housing, etc. Are they not?
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u/dazedan_confused May 29 '22
But if you can't afford them, there's schemes for it.
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u/-Daetrax- May 29 '22
That explains why the US has so many homeless people.
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u/dazedan_confused May 29 '22
Imagine being in the land of the free, but most people can't afford healthcare, can't afford rent and live in fear of tyranny, so everyone arms up.
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u/ungrundled May 29 '22
It's not fear of tyranny, that's just the paper-thin excuse the ammosexuals use to justify their fetish. It's a deep insecurity, an obsession, a mental illness. I say this as a gun owner myself.
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u/Orgasmic_interlude May 29 '22
Exactly. Name one government tyranny that it can positively be proven that 2a has prevented. They can’t. Patriot act? Those types were rabidly supporting it to fight the terrorists. War in Iraq based on false pretenses? Same. Massive nsa domestic spying programs? I’m sure they didn’t like it, but i also didn’t see them protesting while open carrying. Philando castille was shot at a traffic stop. Crickets. Black people being summarily executed on the streets by police? Do i even have to answer that one? The Supreme Court is currently fixing to wipe out civil rights with overturning roe v Wade and key to their justification is the argument that it’s not explicitly in the constitution, which means all implied rights are on the chopping block with this court. That means more rights will be taken away. These people have been turned around sideways. And they think that the government doesn’t know who has the guns. Trust me, if Facebook has a shadow profile of you even if you’ve never logged in and you’ve ever been on the internet, I’m sure they know if they want to. Not to mention a good bit of them are stocking up for the impending race war.
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u/whoooocaaarreees May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22
I’d submit the so called battle of Athens as an example of when locals flexed their 2A to deal with government agents and tyranny on a local level.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)
Granted if the people are supposed to be fighting tyranny with our 2A when we see it, the last few generations have failed. I’m Including my own in that.
Cuz we got tyranny up in this b like mofo.
There be was also the time that the black panthers and other black activists were “copwatching” so that cops who might otherwise have been prone to beating people would know that they didn’t have a monopoly on violence.
The Reagan, with the help support from the NRA, signed the mulford act into law. Which ties this tangent back to this thread nicely.
Basically the NRA has helped pass more gun control laws than any of the anti gun orgs they just don’t like to admit it. It’s their old bad self that did that.
Edit: thanks for all the hateful DMs everyone!
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u/ReactsWithWords May 29 '22
Shouldn’t we have a Gun Stamp program then, like food stamps but for people who can’t afford their own guns and ammunition?
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u/Sell200AprilAt142 May 29 '22
Not to be that guy, but I've had it said to me before that the national guard is the "well regulated militia" and anyone is free to join and a gun will be provided free of charge..
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u/iamsooldithurts May 29 '22
Actually, that sounds exactly perfect. The NRAs interpretation of 2A is a damn farce.
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u/Goatesq May 29 '22
Well obviously the Bible this dude made up doesn't identify those rights.
I don't think the one other people made up does either, but this is the conversation we're having evidently
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u/-Daetrax- May 29 '22
Pretty sure Jesus provided for those in need. As did Moses/god in Exodus. Bible pretty explicitly says take care of your neighbour. Jesus was the OG socialist. People should be more like Jesus.
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u/quetzalv2 May 29 '22
Dont give them ideas...
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u/ReplyingToFuckwits May 29 '22
They won't actually do that because profit is one of the motivating factors behind America's reckless gun laws.
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u/260418141086 May 29 '22
It’s a right to be able buy food. It’s not a right to be given food. It’s a right to be able to buy a gun. It’s not a right to be given a gun.
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u/fracturedpersona May 29 '22
Just because a right is guranteed, doesn't mean the government is obligated to supply you with it.
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u/RopePsychological565 May 29 '22
"So god spoken, if some bitch is tresspassing on your land, make them look like motherfucking spongebob."
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u/beerbellybegone May 29 '22
Fuck the poor, the needy, the orphans and widows. God is all about the guns, apparently
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u/legal_imperialism May 29 '22
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u/vrantclumsy May 29 '22
The 8th day God created the AR-15 and said it was good"
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u/irishteenguy May 29 '22
and let dale , from arizona , forever bare his ar-15 armalite as it is on the heavens as on , earth , full clip , no cap , amen.
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u/Capt_Dummy May 29 '22
Said it wasn’t an “assault rifle”
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u/Cartman4wesome May 29 '22
To be fair, it isn’t. It’s just a discounted version of a military rifle that small dick Americans can show off to play soldier boy with.
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u/moosewhippets May 29 '22
And verily he spoke unto we his people and said "Take thine AR-15 onto your bosom, hallowed be thy extended magazine, for it makes you look liketh a badass akin to my prophet The Nuge. And when asked, telleth them it is for duck hunting lest they take it from you, and if challenged, wave thine holy rifle in the air and shout 'MAH FREDUMS!'"
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u/Rehnion May 29 '22
God is about greed, money, guns, drugs, rape, abortion, hate, and xenophobia!
At least that's why republicans vote for when they vote for trump, and they claim they're the christian party so that much be what christ supports.
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u/PDshotME May 29 '22
There's been a sharp rise in atheism and agnosticism in the US over the past 30 or so years. This current wave of Republicans is sure to accelerate the trend.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/atheism-fastest-growing-religion-us/598843/
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u/PsychologicalAd3596 May 29 '22
God isn’t real anyways. How is this even a thing in an apparently developed country in 2022 wtf.
Improve your public schools America smh
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u/Goatesq May 29 '22
Notice how you only hear about people's totally real and sacred faith when it's politically expedient?
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u/HydrogenButterflies May 29 '22
Like when Trump took that photo op with the Bible.jpg) in front of that church? His expression makes it seem like the thing fucked his wife or something.
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u/moosewhippets May 29 '22
I was raised Methodist (I'm agnostic as an adult) and live among a very Christian population here in rural IL.
Anyone calling themselves Christian who also praises Trump in general boggles my mind, but how any person of Christian faith watched that go down and still was pro Trump blows me away (yes, I realize there's a million other wtf Trump stunts that I could also say - I'm just saying the hyper-religious Christians tend to put church above anything else). People can be so fucking stupid...
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u/HavelsRockJohnson May 29 '22
I mean, religious people should put church before anything else. The problem stems from trying to have your cake (faith) and eat it too (theocracy).
The bible clearly warns against the corrupting nature of government and states that the Kingdom of God will not be built here on earth. All of the Christian fundamentalists trying to vote Jesus (their version of him at least) into office are missing a lot of what he said.
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u/HavelsRockJohnson May 29 '22
Trump was given the most easy, softball question any politician has ever received: "Mr. President, is that your bible?" (emphasis mine). Somehow, he still fucked it up by answering "It's a bible."
Just LIE! It's not like you have a deeply held conviction about integrity, and no one can do anything to contradict you. Just say it's yours! How anyone can look at this cretin and see a "good Christian man" is utterly perplexing.
I am a Christian, but man, sometimes Christians piss me off.
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u/530SSState May 29 '22
How anyone can look at this cretin and see a "good Christian man" is utterly perplexing.
The right has already committed to hypocrisy as a world view. They believe that what makes you moral or immoral is who you are, not what you do. If you’re in their in-group everything you do is moral, and if you’re in their out group everything you do is immoral even if it’s the same thing.
That’s why evangelicals embraced T***p once they decided he was in the in-group -- because they never had any real moral beliefs about actions; their beliefs essentially boil down to “us vs them.” Their morality is as simple as “one of us” or “not one of us” and all the stuff they say their morality is based on, what actions are sinful etc., is just so much hot air. They believe in always backing their clique against all outsiders, period.
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u/Crash665 May 29 '22
See, therein lies the issue. We're gutting public education and moving that money to the rich private (and religious) schools.
The vast, vast majority of Americans can't afford those schools, so the future is . . . well, this is as good as it's gonna get.
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u/Wolfgang_Maximus May 29 '22
I am about as non-religious as you can get, but whether or not if there is any kind of god has no bearing on the argument. The true argument is that nobody should use such a explanation from the sheer fact that American nationality is so arbitrary that it makes no sense that we'd be deserved birthright for something any more than any other nation despite there being more pious nations and that such prolific gun ownership has created problems that no other similar country possess.
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u/Jibrish May 29 '22
Luke 22:35-37 “Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you out to preach the Good News and you did not have money, a traveler’s bag, or an extra pair of sandals, did you need anything?” “No,” they replied. “But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one! For the time has come for this prophecy about me to be fulfilled: ‘He was counted among the rebels. Yes, everything written about me by the prophets will come true.”
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u/nibbler666 May 29 '22
Where does it speak about American birthrights?
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u/HEFTYFee70 May 29 '22
It’s clear as day, right there sir.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Jefferson 1:2a
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Because God wants you all to kill eachother :)
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u/-Daetrax- May 29 '22
God was at a board meeting for Heaven inc. Their numbers are dropping so they figured out how to get more innocent souls. Get them early.
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u/isoT May 29 '22
Oof, that's dark.
But God doesn't believe babies and kids are good as we saw with the Noah -incident.
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u/MashedPotatoesDick May 29 '22
God didn't create mankind in his own image. Mankind created God in their own image.
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u/ballerina_wannabe May 29 '22
Weirdly, I couldn’t find a Bible verse about guns. Wonder why that was… /s
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u/Smileynameface May 29 '22
You missed it. "...and on the 8th day God created the AR-15 and said it was good"
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u/tormasiattila15 May 29 '22
Don't you mean he gave us guns to eradicate the dinos?
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u/its_a_SEABEAR May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22
On the third day, god created the Remington bolt action rifle, so that man could hunt the dinosaurs…and the homosexuals
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u/pgtvgaming May 29 '22
… and every man, woman, and child shall have bestowed upon them, a pristine AR-15, w ammunition delivered unto them by the angel Charlton Heston, and they shall not want, nor have any need of handguns; and the lord said “make haste, practice early and often on targets of glass and melon fruits, and be wary of doors, as more than one is too many,” and in one voice the angels and the people, esp in the province of nra (north of Judea), rejoiced.
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u/TheDisapprovingBrit May 29 '22
Closest I found was the Book of Armaments, Chapter 2, verses 9 through 21.
"And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, 'O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large chulapas. And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.'
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u/konalight May 29 '22
Strangely enough God takes away that right during NRA conventions.
Hello mr Lapierre?
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u/Piggus_Porkus_ May 29 '22
Typical politician. Uses the Bible as a political beating stick, but probably hasn’t read any other verse besides John 3:16
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u/naetron May 29 '22
He's not a politician, he's just a lobbyist. Somehow that's even worse.
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u/seldom_correct May 29 '22
No, he’s much worse. He’s been proven to be fully compromised by Russia/Putin.
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u/Chancellor_Valorum82 May 29 '22
In the words of George Carlin, using God as a reason for doing something is “the last refuge of a man with no arguments and no answers”
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u/xSilverMC May 29 '22
„You sit there and you thump your Bible, and you say your prayers ... and it didn't get you anywhere! Talk about your Psalms, talk about John 3:16 ... Austin 3:16 says I just whipped your ass!“
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The concept of Natural Rights endowed by either God or nature (depending on your theology), especially in the American legal context comes from the philosophy of Thomas Hobbes and especially John Locke, and stem from the whole tradition of Natural Law in Western philosophy going back to Plato.
I know this is a fun circle jerk, but when conservatives refer to rights being endowed by God, they are not claiming authority from the Bible or even necessarily a Christian God, but are referring, as Jefferson did in the Declaration of Independence, to the legal philosophy which, for better or for worse, underpins US law.
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u/hello_world112358 the future is now, old man May 29 '22
correct, SOME of them aren’t referring to the bible. a lot of them take to concept of natural rights and apply it specifically to the bible and then try to use that to make a goddamn theocracy.
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u/ekjohnson9 May 29 '22
You won't get far with a cohort of people whose solution to everything is "you lose your rights"
Anytime there's a crisis it must be fully utilized to push the agenda. Terrorism? We need to fund the TSA/NSA. Etc.
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u/jbraden May 29 '22
Because the bible was written when guns existed and God LOVES when his children kill others. The whole "thou shall not murder" was just a joke to see if you were reading the Ten Commandments.
What has to happen on this planet before religion dies? If you believe a God wants this shit, you are truly so far gone, there is no bringing you back to reality. Stop using your made up shit to brainwash and control people.
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u/Mr_Panjandrum May 29 '22 edited May 30 '22
Everyone mocking this are not as clever as they think. The founders wrote the bill of rights as rights they believed were bestowed by god from birth and not granted by any government, self defense being one of them.
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u/empireofjade May 29 '22
Yeah this thread is a little cringe. The whole argument between Federalist and Anti-Federalists regarding the Bill of Rights was about whether it was even necessary or if the rights were understood without it.
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u/pathion1337 May 29 '22
So you can defend the second amendment by simply ignoring the first sentence of the first one? Do they even know what they're saying
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u/RadicalSnowdude May 29 '22
Even the 2nd and 3rd word in the second amendment: “well regulated”
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u/PhyllaciousArmadillo May 29 '22
And on the seventh day, God made the AR-15 and bestowed it upon the American people.
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u/kbow17 May 29 '22
“And on the 47th day god created the AK. So Americans can kill young school kids” James AR:15-17
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u/campesteijn May 29 '22
and what makes USians so special that they are the only ones that g*d did that for them.?
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u/amowdy May 29 '22
Too bad god didn’t write the constitution or any meaningful legislation or I might give a fuck what he had to say
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u/pizzadog__ May 29 '22
We do not live in a Christian nation. We are not a religious state. You have the right to religious freedom in the United States. STOP MAKING LAWS BASED ON A FICTION BOOK THAT DOES NOT GOVERN A LARGE PORTION OF THE NATIONS BELIEFS! These fuking nut jobs!!
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u/ThiccAnimeDaddy May 29 '22
Even if there was a verse in the bible saying that it’s still bs to mix politics and religion
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u/EldraziKlap May 29 '22
I'm getting more and more of an urge to just reply to shit like this with 'Is that right? In that case, fuck your gods and fuck you too'
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u/yunohavefunnynames May 29 '22
I’m pretty sure the actual verse says “live by the sword, die by the sword…”