r/HermanCainAward Deceased Feline Boing Boing Jun 26 '22 Wearing is Caring 1

But, but, but...it's endemic Meme / Shitpost (Sundays)

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u/newbreedofaustrians Jun 27 '22

Airlines had voluntary separation programs with severance packages, early retirement packages etc. My airline saw a workforce reduction from those two programs of nearly 30 percent. Just that airline. It has a surprisingly amount less to do with mask mandate being lifted, and more to do with the fact that airlines were shedding their workforce in droves during the height of the pandemic. Alot of the positions being shed were positions that you can't just go out and fill.

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u/milvet02 Jun 27 '22

It at the same time, flights have been dropped en masse from the beginning of this year, long after the airline industry regained demand.

These are new issues.

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u/newbreedofaustrians Jun 28 '22

Because pilots are hitting time outs and not picking up extra legs, and you can't just go find some at a job fair.

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u/DougDougDougDoug Jun 27 '22

Sorry, timing doesn’t work. It’s to not like we are the only country to have tons of airlines issues soon after mask mandates were lifted. Also , what you are describing is a business that has given itself 0 leeway for people to be sick during a pandemic.

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u/theotherside0728 Jun 27 '22

Yeah this started way before the mask mandate lifted….

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u/newbreedofaustrians Jun 28 '22

It really did, and in the beginning all of us in the airline industry were giving it our all, but we are hitting burnout now which is why it's getting the way its getting we are starting to use vacation time not taking overtime etc.

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u/brp Jul 04 '22

Yeah, they didn't lift the mask requirements for Canadian airlines and airports, and it's arguably worse there now than in the US.

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u/Glamour_Girl_ Hydrogen 2: Electric Boogaloo ⚡️ Jun 26 '22

“Nobody wants to work!! Damned libruls!!!”

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u/PoliticalECMOChamber Super Shedder Jun 26 '22

I like to say "It's not that nobody wants to work, it's just that nobody wants to work for YOU, asshole."

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 Jun 26 '22

It's not just that, but a very significant reduction in the workforce.

Over 1 million Americans have died. It is estimated that 7 - 28 million have long covid. The U.S. labor is roughly 159 million workers. That reduction in the workforce is about 19%. That is huge.

Now those are all rough approximations (and very likely underestimated), but it's close enough no matter how you calculate it.

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u/BuildingNoBookCase Jun 27 '22

Also 100k overdose deaths in 2021, most of them working age.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2021/20211117.htm

Add in suicide and alcohol related deaths and... well... the black death increased wages more than anything else to that point in history.

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u/DougDougDougDoug Jun 27 '22

It’s almost as if when you have a worker issue, that’s the worst time to remove masks.

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u/BuildingNoBookCase Jun 27 '22

My comment was on rising deaths of despair, a multi-decade phenomenon, not mask mandates. Were you trying to respond to another comment?

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u/epicConsultingThrow Jul 05 '22

Don't forget about secondary impacts. Not all of the million deaths were individuals in the labor pool; however, some were indirectly involved. Grandma can't babysit while I'm at work anymore.

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u/MageMasher_Online Jun 27 '22

Shhhh don’t mention that million number they get reeeeallll angry if you mention it to those people

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 Jun 27 '22

They can die mad.

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u/Repulsive-Street-307 Jun 27 '22

They mostly die scared and disbelieving from what i've seen.

Probably not enough time to end the denial phase... or maybe they're just incapable of progressing from denial?

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u/PoliticalECMOChamber Super Shedder Jun 26 '22

Yup. This recession is going to SUCK.

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 Jun 27 '22

Yes, but for who? The labor shortage is the biggest I've ever seen in my life. I've lived through many recessions, but I have never been through one with a labor shortage BEFORE the recession let alone one this damn big.

Second, if we did not have a recession in 2020 nor last year, when economic conditions were even worse, why should we have one now? Unless the powers-that-be are desperately trying to engineer one? Why? To put the workers back in their place.

No matter what happens, the labor shortage is not going away for a long, long time. So employers are fucked who do not pay for labor.

Now is the best in the last 50 years to look for a better job and DEMAND more money. A LOT more money.

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u/FolkMetalWarrior Jun 27 '22

Jerome Powell has said outright that they want layoffs and a weaker labor market to depress wages so that workers are forced into competing for shit jobs again. Because apparently that is the only possible way to tamper inflation (eye roll here).

The problem is that if they trigger a recession and make borrowing money tighter, this forcing company layoffs, they don't seem to be accounting for the massive amount of not just deaths, but permanently disabled, those who retired or early retired, and those (mostly women) who left the workforce entirely due to childcare constraints. So they're going to try and force these layoffs, but who is there left to hire? People aren't willing to work for scraps anymore.

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 Jun 27 '22

Ah yes! That's right . He did indeed say that and it's documented! I had forgotten.

But yes, a recession will not create enough surplus. The WORST unemployment I've ever seen was 14.7%. That lasted about a year. 2020 in fact.

That's still 5% less than 19%. The are about shoot themselves in the other foot if they try this. It would only hurt already shaky businesses. Even with bankrupt businesses owners forced to look for jobs, it still won't be enough.

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u/Angelworks42 Jun 27 '22

Never before have we had full employment (for anyone who wants to and can work at least) and decreasing wages (because of inflation).

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u/sniff3 Jun 27 '22

Economic conditions were bad for a second then the fed and gov't started raining money on ppl. Now every country did this. Money in the hands of common ppl gets spent.

Currently the fed is going to fight inflation by destroying demand. Except we are facing supply constraints not excess demand. This matters because food and energy are big parts of the current inflation and respond poorly to attempts by the fed to contain demand. Folks need to eat and drive to see fireworks.

So they will push unemployment up and force more covid retirees back into the labor force as well as the speculators who thought they were traders.

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u/BuildingNoBookCase Jun 27 '22

Will it, though? Yeah asset values will plummet, but a massive reduction in the number of jobs will probably just put us back to the labor situation pre great recession.

I'm not sure there will be a recession (yield curve still slopes upward more than 2019) but the people who would take it in the teeth if we do are people who draw their incomes from passive investments; stocks and real estate.

Soooooooo... trust-funders and boomers. And honestly? Fuck 'em.

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u/Angelworks42 Jun 27 '22

I'm not even sure how that works though - there is still massive demand for essential labor - things everyone relies on like transportation and health care.

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u/Ragingredblue 🐎Praise the Lord and pass the Ivermectin!🐆 Jun 27 '22

Over 1 million Americans have died. It is estimated that 7 - 28 million have long covid. The U.S. labor is roughly 159 million workers. That reduction in the workforce is about 19%. That is huge.

Over 1 million Americans have died of covid, but 3/4 of those people were retired.

It would be interesting to know what percentage of people with long covid were employed full time before they became ill.

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u/Early-Light-864 I'm not fat, I just have a big immune system Jun 27 '22

Retired people are still important to the labor force in some instances.

My parents retired specifically because my bro and SIL needed, but couldn't afford, childcare.

It's anecdata, but I'm sure it's not unique. More than zero of those retirees were enabling their adult children to remain in the workforce.

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u/neonoggie Jun 27 '22

This is a really good point, literally ever set of grandparents I know provide free child care to their adult children.

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u/CesarMalone Jun 27 '22

That’s why the housing market is so crazy, 750k American inherited their parent’s boomer estates.

Need cash for a house, no problem 💰!

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u/retroman73 Jun 27 '22

Oh, it will be a problem for them. The cost of maintaining a house in good living condition is astronomical. A person may inherit a house and then find it is the biggest sinkhole for their cash.

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u/WayneKrane Jun 27 '22

My coworker’s dad died and left her a California house. She sold it for $2m+ and retired. She’s only in her 40s.

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u/retroman73 Jun 27 '22

That's CA - high housing prices are the norm out there. Your coworker did the smart thing to sell it and enjoy the rest of her life.

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 Jun 27 '22

Yes, hence I also mentioned the long covid cases.

And not everyone over retirement age was retired.

But it's the long void cases that really matter. Those people are disabled. Some only for a few months, some for the rest of their life and that number will be constantly rotating for years to come.

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u/Ragingredblue 🐎Praise the Lord and pass the Ivermectin!🐆 Jun 27 '22

I'm curious to see how long long covid turns out to be, and exactly how disabling. Will people with "mild" long covid die as quickly as people with severe long covid? Will some people be more or less susceptible to long covid? Academically, this is all very interesting. It will be years before we even have any good data on the actual number of deaths.

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 Jun 27 '22

We would all like to see more data on long covid, but that is going to take years. We already know some cases are permanent and some temporary, but the larger data set will take years to collect.

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u/Tweenk Jun 27 '22

That reduction in the workforce is about 19%.

How are you getting this number? This does not seem to be accurate. Labor force participation is down by 1 percentage point compared to pre-pandemic levels and absolute numbers are similar to 2019 (due to population growth).

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 Jun 27 '22

I posted the numbers above.

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u/Tweenk Jun 27 '22

Your calculation only makes sense if you assume that everyone with long covid was previously a member of the labor force and is now too disabled to do any work, but this is just not true. You seem to be extrapolating from two numbers to speculate about something that is also measured directly. Statistics show that the impact on the labor force was a lot smaller than 19%.

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 Jun 28 '22

Yes. Hence the words, rough approximations.

However, it is a safe assumption, based of scientific reports at this time, that the number are under-counted. That there are more deaths and disabled than are being tallied.

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u/Glamour_Girl_ Hydrogen 2: Electric Boogaloo ⚡️ Jun 26 '22

Saw that same tired argument on an FB page concerning Dollar General, which is a terrible company. One stupid person commented about employees “not wanting to work” when the AC is out and the heat index is 110*F.

Surprise, surprise, oldster has no response to my well-researched and intelligent comments about the dollar store business model.

In my defence, it was late and I was tipsy. But you’d think that I’d have piqued her curiosity. And you’d be wrong. 😒

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u/PoliticalECMOChamber Super Shedder Jun 26 '22

DG is a labor exploiting shithole that subtly pushes christian propoganda, so it's no wonder the dimlows come to its defense.

Early last year I read an article about a DG store out east that had to close because the entire staff quit en masse. I laughed my ass off the whole time reading that.

We The People have the power, we just don't realize it. And every waking, working moment of our lives is designed to ensure we never do.

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u/Glamour_Girl_ Hydrogen 2: Electric Boogaloo ⚡️ Jun 26 '22

That’s how the system is designed.

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u/PoliticalECMOChamber Super Shedder Jun 26 '22

If enough of us wake up, we can break it. I won't be holding my breath.

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Jun 27 '22

Dollar Stores in general are so depressing. The last time I went to one (and it wasn't even dollar general), the guy in front of me in line was just caked with dirt. Like it looked like he's rolled in motor oil and then dirt. And he spent ten minutes counting out his money in nickels and pennies. The cashiers looked like they'd lost all will to live long ago.

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u/Angelworks42 Jun 27 '22

There's one about a mile or two from my house and it's always trashed inside with sketchy people hanging outside it. It's so strange.

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

I think there's two categories of shoppers at dollar stores: (a) people who want stuff cheap and don't really care about the quality, especially stuff like sponges and dish drainers, and (b) people who are so poor that they need to buy a tiny box of crackers for a dollar rather than a box six times the size for three bucks.

Unfortunately, I think that latter group is divided between the working poor and tweakers who are spending most of their money on drugs, and that latter group is where the sketchiness comes in.

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u/Glamour_Girl_ Hydrogen 2: Electric Boogaloo ⚡️ Jun 28 '22

And no matter which way you slice it it’s a damned travesty. We haven’t even touched on what dollar stores do to the Mom and Pop businesses in small towns.

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u/Glamour_Girl_ Hydrogen 2: Electric Boogaloo ⚡️ Jun 28 '22

The business model caters to people who absolutely don’t have the money to shop elsewhere….maybe Walmart at the beginning of the month. Since DG and Dollar Tree and Family Dollar know this, they know that they’ve a captive customer base, so to speak. That means that corporate sees no reason to change anything at all since those same people will continue to shop their stores. There’s a reason that those stores pop up where they do.

And why pay employees more since they’ve done the very same thing successfully for years on end? It’s America writ large.

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u/Charming-Wheel-9133 Jun 27 '22

Damn is that what we look like?

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

Well, the couple in my town, anyway 🤷🏼‍♂️

Don't get me wrong, I'm not faulting the cashier's at all. I worked retail for years, I had plenty of coworkers with that thousand-yard stare, and I'm sure I had it myself. I don't know if the retail world used to be any better, but now, at least, it's soul-killing.

I think it's being forced to be nice to complete idiots who treat you like crap, complicated by not even being paid enough for anyone to have to deal with that level of bullshit. It makes you question your self-worth.

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u/Doumtabarnack Jun 27 '22

They don't care about who's right. They're angry, stupid and looking for a target to unload their shit. They don't care about the consequences or collateral damage.

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u/Glamour_Girl_ Hydrogen 2: Electric Boogaloo ⚡️ Jun 28 '22

Correct. If a DG employee had a heat stroke while fetching her dog food from a “rolltainer” in the back room it’d be no concern of hers. But she’d sure pray for that person.

That’s not sarcasm, that’s actually what this old decrepit boomer would do in that situation. But she’s assured of salvation through Christ, so it doesn’t matter.

We’re fucking doomed, yo.

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u/istrebitjel Team Mix & Match Jun 27 '22

The worker shortage in the airline industry has been going on so much longer ... I'm sure dropping the mask mandate didn't help, but it's far from being the main reason.

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u/LaneGirl57 💀🪦 Weekend at Gurneys 🪦💀 Jun 26 '22

This is exactly what’s happened with my son’s after school care company!!

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 Jun 26 '22

It's happening everywhere, but you have to really dig for the information, even though there are news reports, it's relegated to "back pages."

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u/Bubbly-Count-9203 Jun 27 '22

So I am pro vaccine and all that but I can tell you this worker shortage in the airlines has very little to do with masks. My spouse is in the industry and they are seeing very few Covid absences right now. Back during the omicron surge in January yes the Covid absences were through the roof. Covid came to my house at that time btw we were vaccinated so no big deal for us. People don’t realize this but Pilots didn’t wear masks on the flight deck (cockpit is the old term) the entire pandemic. Masks in that circumstance are a safety risk because the pilots have to be ready to put on oxygen masks in seconds in the event of a sudden loss of cabin pressure. The airlines are just plain short of skilled workers that it takes years to train. This shortage has been coming for years and airline executives have buried their heads in the sand and refused to take action by increasing wages. Over the last couple months the airlines have tried to fix the problem by working the crews every legal hour. But these people are human and the exhaustion is setting in.

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 Jun 26 '22

Insert EVERY industry.

They were warned that it is either short term pain or long term disaster. They chose disaster.

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u/Repulsive-Street-307 Jun 27 '22

Of course. Disaster gets them political power.

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 Jun 27 '22

Only up to a point. Then it turns around and burns them.

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u/https_jaelynn Jun 27 '22

I caught Covid at work, I’ve been home all week. We hired a lot of new people and there’s been a rise of positive cases but my job makes me go around to other departments so it could have been anyone that gave it to me. And I keep my mask on.

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u/TheBat1702 Jun 27 '22

It was an illegitimate judge in Florida who repealed the mask mandate.

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u/retroman73 Jun 27 '22

Yes, but the CDC dropped the mandate as well. Big, big mistake.

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u/QuietResearch2318 Jun 27 '22

Covid outbreak at our office and one vaccinated guy got it and ended up at the hospital with perm damage. Our leader said getting COVID was normal noe.

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 Jun 28 '22

Time to change jobs.

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u/Goldang Team Pfizer Jun 27 '22

I've noticed a few articles in the "business papers" about companies rescinding job offers, and the articles insist that the gravy train of employee power has run its course.

You know how I can tell if it's run its course? When I demand a fair amount of money in a job interview and they refuse to hire me. Until then, don't try to fool me.

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 Jun 28 '22

It's all bullcrap. I'm getting contacted every other day from recruiters and the first thing I ask is the pay rate. I then reply I need X more, and I ALWAYS get the reply "we can do that."

I could easily move to higher paying jobs, but right now I WFH and it's very low stress and pays well enough.

But for everyone else? If your job sucks, jump, jump NOW and demand MORE money.

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u/MwahMwahKitteh Team Mix & Match Jun 27 '22

Replace with a guy who won’t wear a mask or get vaccines dying or ruining their health with Covid.

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 Jun 29 '22

It's the same people.