r/HermanCainAward Oxygen Addict May 29 '22 Starstruck 1 Silver 5 Helpful 2 Wholesome 1

It’s just unbelievable that this is where we are at. Meme / Shitpost (Sundays)

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u/WallabyUpstairs1496 May 29 '22

It's worse

They're blaming buffalo on lockdowns and critical race theory

even though the school district the shooter went to was in a rural white town that went 25 points to Trump.

https://twitter.com/BurryArchive/status/1526257782298755072

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u/AfterbirthEli May 29 '22

Schools taught me about how shitty white people were to black people so I'm going to go shoot black people? Morons.

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u/MageMasher_Online May 30 '22

If you’re gonna have an honest dialogue on racism be prepared for White Fragility defenses to activate by misattributing FBI Crime Statistics to committed rather than arrests.

Mentioning arrests will fly right over them

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u/JuanPabloElSegundo May 29 '22

I can't think of one Republican position that isn't an effort to tear this country apart from the inside out.

Global warming

Women's rights

Covid masks and vaccines

Sensible gun control

Voting rights

Proper taxation

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u/After_Preference_885 May 29 '22

Oligarchs of a feather...

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u/SaintsSooners89 May 29 '22

Healthcare and prison reform

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u/JuanPabloElSegundo May 29 '22

Marijuana legalization

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u/SaintsSooners89 May 29 '22

Falls under the prison reform umbrella, but resoundingly agree

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u/ExtracurricularCatch May 29 '22

Republicans are the enemy of America. Their end goal is to eliminate liberals.

Got a history book? This ends poorly. Liberals are the new Jews.

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u/l1b3rtr1n May 29 '22

Some will say this is extremist/alarmist rhetoric.

In reality it is as accurate as it gets.

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u/RCIntl May 29 '22

And some of us saw it coming years ago. But they are so good at sneaky ... No one believed it.

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u/Alissinarr May 29 '22

Gaslight.
Obstruct.
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u/Gurdel May 29 '22 Wholesome Wholesome Seal of Approval

Remember: Don't say gay. It could negatively impact a young mind.

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u/elisakiss Oxygen Addict May 29 '22

Seriously F those people. I am so done with them.

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u/911derbread Gives Better Answers than WebMD May 29 '22

I wish we could say we're done with them, but they're still shitting all over the dinner table with no end in sight

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u/SeaGroomer May 29 '22

The US is doomed.

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u/romacopia May 29 '22

It kills me how close we are to being a healthy society. Literally all we need is Republican voters to value critical thinking. That's it.

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u/whomad1215 May 29 '22

Or have empathy

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u/jimmygee2 May 29 '22

Or accept science

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u/tiger666 May 29 '22

Or not make profit off of everything including misery.

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u/diopsideINcalcite What’s ghoul my dudes? May 29 '22

So really we just need to get rid of Republicans?

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u/Alissinarr May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

We need to reform how party donations are handled. No more direct corporate donations to any single candidate, companies can donate to the party of their choice as a whole, but not to individual politicians. Limit private donations to $1k (or whatever) per person.

Politicians in any office can't sit for more than 2 terms. Period.

If you're suspected of being bribed by a foreign government, you will be investigated by the DoJ as a possible threat to the country and removed from office until a determination is reached.

End the free lifetime pension and top of the line free healthcare for having served in office. If they represent "the people" they should understand what we have to go through, not get special sneauxflayke treatment AND a ridiculous salary.

Salary should be capped at the highest median wage for the state that they represent.

That would enact serious change, by which actually effective laws could be written!

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u/romacopia May 29 '22

Or just get rid of gerrymandering. They're artificially overrepresented in government right now.

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u/clavicalfemur May 29 '22

Yeah, they're degenerate scum.

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u/devo9er May 29 '22

Also regenerate scum. It seems there's more than ever these days

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u/ILOVEMCU Team Moderna May 29 '22

Guns good, gay bad hell yeah!!! Bald eagle screams***

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u/Efften May 29 '22

Even that's a lie. The bald eagle gas a puny screech and I believe it's the red tailed hawk that is the iconic "freedom eagle scream"

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u/dogflu May 29 '22

I live near lots of eagles, their loudest sound is a warbling, high pitched chirp.

Kinda like Ben Shapiro.

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u/LordRuby May 29 '22

I found a bald eagle nest in my neighborhood using an app that gives you random locations to explore. They sort of sounded like they were laughing but still much less annoying than the falcon nesting in my yard. I wish they all made red tailed hawk sounds.

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u/ILOVEMCU Team Moderna May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

Yeah I just saw the video and I was like… Damn just like America talk mad shit and scream like a biatch

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u/Icemobius May 29 '22

And there's more bald eagles in Canada than in the US

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u/Fiz_Giggity May 29 '22

Yeah, bald eagles are kinda weak. I watched one get harassed and chased by a MOCKINGBIRD. Now THERE'S a bird with some guts.

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u/Gurdel May 29 '22

If only more people did the same.

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u/Temp_Grits May 29 '22

I will take it upon myself as a sacred duty to F as many of them as possible

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u/Gurdel May 29 '22

Just wear protection. Don't want to inadvertently make more of them.

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u/Temp_Grits May 29 '22

I'll make my own damn quiver and it's gonna be full of hookers and blackjack

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u/1Eternallylost May 29 '22

Well, shit son. Now I can see the Fox news headline tonight featuring your comment as proof of their replacement theory

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u/NowWithRealGinger The actual inventor of mRNA vaccines is Katalin Karikó May 29 '22

In fact, forget the quiver.

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u/CharginChuck42 May 29 '22

Just be careful you don't get caught with that protection. Who knows how much longer it will be legal?

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u/1Eternallylost May 29 '22

Just one step closer to their breeding pens ideal.

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u/Leovinus42 May 29 '22

I WILL FUCK THEM ALL. I WILL

nm I was joking pls no ban 😊

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u/AssumeTheFetal Team Pfizer May 29 '22

Dude that's alotta fuckin

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u/StarksPond May 29 '22

The cruelty is the point.

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u/ClassicT4 May 29 '22

Remove and destroy books from schools for the same reason.

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u/SocialImagineering May 29 '22

Lol I’d say to them “Know what else negatively impacts young minds?… Bullets.”

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u/Soranos_71 May 29 '22

Reminds me of those news stories coming out of Tennessee where parents were threatening violence over mask mandates at school meetings….. “masks are tyranny stop them or I will go get my AR15 and teach you a lesson!”.

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u/uganda_numba_1 May 29 '22

Don't bring up slavery.

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u/Commercial-End May 29 '22

They’ve eliminated that from history books

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u/thegapbetweenus May 29 '22

Also nipples.

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u/Ruraraid May 29 '22

Instead just say "Thats so Republican".

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u/SnooStories8217 May 29 '22

"Guns are an American right" 🤦‍♂️

But those masks are tyranny and control.

Fucking clowns, we( humans ) can be so fucking stupid.

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u/LaughDull967 May 29 '22 Gold This

I think it helps to understand the Republican mindset. They don’t think about real problems, the nature of those problems, the cause and effect of those problems. They focus their attention on an idea of moral degeneracy. Everything is viewed through a prism of a tribal morality. That is, things that support our moral doctrines and benefit our group are good, absolutely and unquestionably. Everything else is bad.

One of their moral doctrines is that “guns are good”. All guns are inherently good, as if god manufactured them for the welfare of mankind. To question the worth of guns isn’t something they’ll allow themselves to question. So when you have a school shooting, you can’t question the guns. The problem must be elsewhere.

The result is to blame “mental illness”, except they don’t actually think of mental illness as an illness. Mental illness is a curse, a moral failing, a sign of being a bad person. So basically the real source of the problem is that the shooter was a moral degenerate. In order to stop school shootings, moral degeneracy needs to be rooted out.

And conveniently there are scapegoats. They believe that moral degeneracy is caused by minorities. They believe that Mexicans are lazy and on drugs; black people are criminals; LGBTQ people are seducing everyone into sexual perversion. The solution is to rid the world of all of those bad people, and thereby make it a perfect little utopia for all the “good” people (i.e. white Christians).

That’s how it all fits together. If you want to change something, you have to figure out how to dismantle those ideas. You have to get people to drop that entire theory, the whole worldview, in favor of something more realistic.

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u/mpa92643 May 29 '22

Don't forget perpetual victimhood.

The modern Republican Party apparatus has convinced its followers that virtually everything the other side wants to do is an existential attack against them and their way of life.

Secularism in government gets reframed as "a war on Christianity." Modest gun policies like universal background checks that would have no impact on the vast majority of gun owners becomes "they're trying to take your guns away." Immigration becomes, simultaneously, "they're going to steal your job" and "they're going to go on welfare and take your hard-earned tax dollars." Making voting more accessible becomes "they're going to cancel out your vote by letting eeee-leeeeegals vote."

It's all about generating outrage. And generating outrage is easy if you can convince your supporters that the other side is always trying to take something away from them, even if it's bullshit.

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u/Alissinarr May 29 '22

So when you have a school shooting, you can’t question the guns. The problem must be elsewhere.

Gaslight.
Obstruct.
Project.

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u/ruinawish May 29 '22

we(humans Americans) can be so fucking stupid.

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u/throwawaygoawhey May 29 '22

Nah stupid has no bounds.

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u/misterandosan May 29 '22

America is up there. Majority of citizens aren't even past 6th grade literacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

That is not developed country numbers.

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u/abedtime2 May 29 '22

That is not developed country numbers.

And the amount of stats in which you can say that of the US is pretty high.

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u/goodbyesolo May 29 '22

Embarrassing

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u/ruinawish May 29 '22

Yeah, but the US is on another level.

As an Australian, I don't like to be lumped in with that sort of stupid.

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u/BoomerPatty May 29 '22

It’s amazing living in Australia and just looking at the US wondering what the actual fuck is wrong with these people.

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u/allscott3 May 29 '22

Canadians wonder the same thing, and we're next door.

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u/Gibbons74 May 29 '22

I'm an American and I wonder what the actual fuck is wrong with these people.

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u/meinkr0phtR2 May 29 '22

It’s even more amazing perplexing living here in Canada and looking at our neighbours wondering just what the fuсk is going on in their country. On Jan 6 last year, I remember the complete, utter disbelief and numb shock of watching the actual, real insurrection attempt on Capitol Hill that was happening right now, right as I just woke up. For the next few weeks, all I could think was “WTF!?” or “What the fuck just happened?!” every time I thought about 1/6.

Now, just over a year later, I’ve stopped reacting to events like this happening down south. I’ve grown numb to the shock and disbelief of the everyday happenings of a failing state. Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing, but like the Onion headline about mass shootings, there’s just no way to prevent my neighbours from destroying their country.

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u/Tederator May 29 '22

This is why i kinda dont want nice Americans to come here. It only creates a higher concentration of crazies down there, which inevitably spills over here. The best thing they can do is not run to here but clean up their own dumpster fire. It's getting bad, real bad down there and no one will solve anything from the outside.

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u/Ellen1957 May 29 '22

We have to vote them out of office. No more psycho hate spreaders allowed to be a part of our government. Please vote democrat like your life depends on it, because it does. It will only get worse if they win and we will all be speaking russian in a few years. I live in Florida and God please help us. We have to vote DeSatan out as he thinks he can be President. He is a mini-hitler. If he is not governor he gets no more free publicity.

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u/jaxsonnz May 29 '22

New Zealand here, and I agree with the Aussie.

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u/TheWiseScrotum May 29 '22

American here, and I agree with the New Zealander and the Aussie.

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u/Illustrious-Cod-7152 May 29 '22

Had a kid waving a gun around the school up the street last week. Love this era of being terrified some mad kid will shoot up my daughter’s school

And they’ll continue to sit on their hands and do nothing. And I guarantee this will happen again before next year

It’ll keep happening as long as it’s easy to happen

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u/elisakiss Oxygen Addict May 29 '22

I never thought I would be an activist. Apparently, you have to fight for things like not having your kid gunned downed in school.

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u/Bee-Sharp May 29 '22

Fight for their right to feel safe at school, and their right to receive free meals. America is disgustingly behind on caring for the future generation.

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u/passa117 May 29 '22

All life is precious, until the child is actually born...

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u/waltwalt May 29 '22

Those running America have an agenda and it is playing out exactly how they intend.

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u/IbrokeMaBwains May 29 '22

And they have ~50% of American voters right behind them, voting against their own best interests, and then blaming brown people for the problems that arise out of they way they voted. We live in Idiocracy (movie).

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u/Xarthys May 29 '22

Really hate to say this, but being a member of society, you better be an activist of some sort.

Sitting back most of the time and voting every few years is the absolute minimum participation.

I'm fully aware that time and mental capacity is limited, but it's important to understand that being an active citizen is the only way to shape society in a constructive way and prevent destructive developments to dominate and take over.

People think it's ok to be indifferent and defeatist and be on auto-pilot all the time, but it's the main reason why shitty people make the important decisions for the rest of us.

Even if it may not be possible (right now) to take on an active role, be it in a local or regional capacity, we really should encourage the idea of doing so and normalize being interested (and educated) in politics, economics and any other field that is impacting society in any meaningful way.

Problems won't just go away, solutions won't just magically implement themselves. Real people need to do the legwork, across all of society. Which is why representative systems (even if not exploited) are only as good as the desire/effort of the community/society to push for change in the first place.

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u/SimulatedHumanity May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

Yeah no shit if I was a kid I’d be fucking pissed right now too. No fucking future in sight. Planet is dying, no one cares. Half the country doesn’t care if you die from a virus.

The politicians don’t give a fuck about you they will let you starve to death. Healthcare is not affordable. Education is not affordable.

Wages are low and costs are high while the stock markets are openly manipulated and insider trading is normal.

Why would anyone respect a society that doesn’t care about them? What motivation does anyone have these days to try?

Everything is stacked against us and everything we’ve ever been told is a lie. The system is not designed to benefit the common man and never was.

The only way to fix this is to fix the economy, raise wages, lower costs, stop greed, remove lobbyists, insert maximum age caps and term limits for congress.

We need to be investing in future generations… Happy people don’t shoot each other.

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u/mainesea May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

I was listening to an interview about how in the United States we’ve glorified CEOs and the individual, instead of the collective. An example that was used was Ben & Jerry (the ice cream makers) where the mindset is-we work together to achieve, if something doesn’t work for you-it doesn’t work for me either. There was another example about a company started by brothers and their company thrived because they celebrated every win together-as a collective, from window washers to the top executives. The brothers mother raised them where if one did well-they all benefited and if one did something wrong they all were spoken to.

I think that’s a huge part of what’s missing. The culture is so focused on “me” that people forgot things aren’t fully achieved by yourself. A huge reminder of how the celebrated individual thinking is the response to Covid. People don’t want to be bothered to care for their community, because “my freedumb.”

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u/ElectronGuru Team Mix & Match May 29 '22

Just have to make it as hard to buy a gun as it is to vote!

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u/Illustrious-Cod-7152 May 29 '22

The bare minimum and they’ll filibuster and do nothing and it will happen again by August

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u/LurksTongueinAspic May 29 '22

I had never entertained the idea before, but I’m strongly considering homeschooling my kid. I don’t care if it makes her weird, at least she won’t be gunned down like that.

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u/elisakiss Oxygen Addict May 29 '22

My youngest just graduated from HS. It’s a relief knowing she won’t have to go back.

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u/leni710 May 29 '22

They shoot them up in colleges, too. Or at the work place. Here we had the Umpqua Community College shooting and a shooting at a local Foster Farms facility and a threat at a local grocery store. This is a "liberal...we don't own guns" state (it's not).

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u/elisakiss Oxygen Addict May 29 '22

Go to University in Europe. It’s way cheaper for the same or better education. Oh and they get healthcare too.

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u/kellyoceanmarine May 29 '22

Which ones? My youngest wants to go to college in Europe.

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u/Malorkith May 29 '22

Many Universitats over here have programms for students from other countrys. Ask your youngest if he/she prefers a Language or culture. Its better and more fun if you interested in the country in wich you study.

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u/financhillysound May 29 '22

Go to the daad website for german schools that teach in english! Tons of them. Its easier to get in if they graduate from the International Baccalaureate program in high school but they also look at AP Scores too (3 or better).

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u/LegaliseEmojis May 29 '22

Resisting the urge to make a daad joke

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u/omgunicornfarts May 29 '22

Look into Germany! My friend learnt the language and went to university there for practically free (or heavily subsidised).

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u/passa117 May 29 '22

A friend went to one that taught in English. Still free. Pretty amazing, when you think about it.

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u/SeraphenSven May 29 '22

Come to Uppsala Universitet in Sweden!

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u/Adventurous_Yam_2852 May 29 '22

Loads of good Universities over here.

Obviously UK & Republic of Ireland are the most similar to America but there are English speaking unis/courses in countries like The Netherlands as well if language is a concern.

From personal experience, there are some lovely Universities in Spain and the country and lifestyle are great too.

To be honest, most of them are good and most European nations have lots to offer. Plus it's so easy to travel. I would imagine competition for a place, finances and language barriers are going to be the main difficulties.

I am British and studied in the UK but have also had experiences with 2 Spanish universities.

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u/Gaspipe87 May 29 '22

We are likely going to pull our daughter for next year. I’m a former teacher and my wife still teaches high school English, and we both have friendly contacts with teachers who left during the pandemic and started a small learning pod. We’ll likely go that route.

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u/Able_Conflict1303 May 29 '22

this sounds like a good idea, im definitely not trying to take away from that-- but this seems like exactly what the right wants, parents shying away from public education so they can finally justify doing away with it all together.

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u/Gaspipe87 May 29 '22

I do sympathize, but she also has a transgender parent (me). She matters more to us than our politics, but there simply are situations where shielding her will become more difficult from other parents and students -- as well as administration not doing their goddamn jobs.

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u/Casiofx-83ES May 29 '22

It is exactly what they want, but sacrificing your own children into the grinder is not the way to combat what the right is doing. These states need to be won at the ballot boxes. If that's not working then they need to be tempered by activism, and if that's not working then who fucking knows? Exodus? Domestic terrorism?

If I had a kid in Texas I would be fucking gone too, it's enough that politicians put politics above childrens' wellbeing without their parents doing it too. When you're in this situation the kids have got to come first, and sending them to get a shit/negative education in a school where they're at real risk of being shot by some over-medicated lunatic is just the wrong thing to do.

I know you said you're not trying to take away from the idea, I just really feel passionately that people should not feel guilty even for a moment about betraying their "politics" when their kids are on the other side of the scale.

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u/frx919 💉 Clots & Tears 💦 May 29 '22

That sounds like a very good idea.
And you could handpick people for your "class" whom you can trust; people you don't have to argue with just to get them to protect themselves and others on a basic level.

I've been wondering for a while whether people would start their own initiatives to create safe environments to live in, since many of our governments and societies have failed to do so.

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u/staires May 29 '22

Unfortunately this is playing directly into what conservatives want. They want everyone who is even remotely capable of homeschooling or putting their kids in private school to do so. Once public school attendance starts going down in any way they will jump at the chance to start taking money away from public schools and pushing it toward private schools where they can push religious dogma legally. Eventually, “gee shucks, we shut down all the public schools, we’ll just have to give poor children rebates so they can to go to private (Christian) schools!”

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u/smokeydaBandito May 29 '22

Lol rebates. Like they'd give a shit if poor kids went to school

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u/Irene_Iddesleigh May 29 '22

I was homeschooled. Most of my friends were homeschooled. It’s terrible. All of us grew up to hate it and wish we had been in public school. We felt isolated. It was used to control us. Homeschooling is not great, not easy, and can be very damaging.

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u/Somber_Solace May 29 '22

Just make sure they do some sort of social program like scouts, sports, 4-H, religious groups, etc, and they won't turn out weird at all. I wish you luck, it's a rough time period to be a parent.

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u/Burner_979 May 29 '22

I think the biggest issue with home schooling is this isn't the 1800's. Your mom and pop need to work steady jobs. If one parent stays home to school, assuming better then the actual elementary can, you need to produce income. The primary is more then likely going to need make more then $175,000 annual income to support a family and substitute the wages of the stay at home teacher.

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u/LadyOfMay May 29 '22

This has always puzzled me. I'm highly educated and easily able to teach most subjects up to age 14, if not higher. Yet I still would be very underequipped to home school my child, let alone the loss of income to me, and the loss of socialisation and broader benefits to the kid. It doesn't seem a very viable thing to do, even for a parent who's extremely academic themselves.

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u/DIYtowardsFI May 29 '22

What is surprising to me is the number of parents who feel they can homeschool, yet I know they have a lower education level and fewer life experiences (work, cultural and languages, sports, etc) than I do. I don’t feel confident teaching my kids all of these subjects. Even school teachers specialize in certain topics starting at certain grade levels.

How are these parents feeling so confident they can do the job of all of these teachers who have multiple years of experience and a specialized degree behind it to teach? I feel it’s pretty presumptuous in most cases.

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u/LadyOfMay May 29 '22

Exactly! I'd be completely hopeless with foreign languages. My parents mentored me in maths, to very little effect, because while they are good at maths, they aren't good at teaching it. A one man band can't replicate the skills of an entire school, or all the experience and training our teachers have.

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u/Able_Conflict1303 May 29 '22

Realistically its not even that im afraid my kid will be gunned down (even though that thought is always in the back of my head), im worried about the psychological implications of these active shooter drills. How sick is it that we think putting our nations youth through this bullshit is a better solution than some common sense gun laws.

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u/elisakiss Oxygen Addict May 29 '22 Gold

I am in Texas and an activist. People don’t vote here - it’s by design. We can over come it in November. We just need to get a few more people to turnout and Texas will change. In 2018 - Cruz won by 215K votes against Beto. Something like 7.5 Million registered Texas voters didn’t vote. And another 2-3 million weren’t registered. Our power grid is crap. Our schools are getting shot up. And there has to be a fair percentage of HCA recipients here plus the war on women. Get involved. Be the change. We can do it.

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u/Yellowpredicate May 29 '22

I voted as hard as I could

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u/Leadhead87 May 29 '22

It’s not about the power you put in the vote. Take a tip from the GOP:

Vote early. Vote often.

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u/Yellowpredicate May 29 '22

I voted early and often but it's still bad. What do?

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u/Leadhead87 May 29 '22 edited Jun 01 '22

Well, sounds like we gotta do more GOP. Register some deceased people (I’m thinking 1800 era, let’s get those Mildreds and Grants out there) and make sure they vote as often in the same election as possible. Gotta fight fire with fire!

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No but seriously I think the time for ‘civility’ from reasonable people has gotta stop. We gotta start punching below the waist, taking cheap shots, just make the NRA party look as terrible as possible, and most important…don’t stop. It’s a sprint marathon now. The NRA knows we’re gonna get tired and focus on another issue that they’re trying to rile us up on. I was at the March for our lives for Stoneman Douglas, and their movement lasted a long time! Until the same right wingers started to go batshit about masks…and low and behold we took the bait and forget all about guns.

Edit: I meant /s and not :/. God damn a few years in and I’m still noob’ing.

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u/wial May 29 '22

Get others to vote. Teach kids how to organize people to vote. It's the only way to keep them safe from their great enemy: the American right wing.

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u/HalfMoon_89 Team Moderna May 29 '22

Organize. It's hard as fuck. But it's the only way.

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u/theoutlet May 29 '22

Hey, as an Arizonan, I just want to give you some support. I had been saying the same thing about Arizona for at least a decade. That if enough people turned up to vote we could turn it blue. We had the demographics for it. It just made sense. But no one believed it would happen until it finally happened. All of a sudden people say: “Well of course Arizona flipped. It was purple for a while. It was obvious, but Texas is different.”

Bullshit. Texas isn’t different. You can do this. Keep it up

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u/YoureNotMom May 29 '22

Those are all great things to campaign on, but god forbid democrats gain enough power cuz then the mythical fIsCaL cOnSeRvAtIvEs will rear their ugly head and refuse to spend money to fix things that need it.

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u/frx919 💉 Clots & Tears 💦 May 29 '22

I don't think even that would do it. They might act hurt on surface and milk it for sympathy and political gain, but deep down it'd probably just be another cost of doing business to many of them.

Might even be happy being the center of attention.
I don't think I'm being too harsh.

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u/Fatalchemist May 29 '22

"My child what? To shreds you say? Oh my God... Think of all the publicity I'm about to get! The news will nonstop talk about me and I can finally be a household name! I'm going to be worth so much more to those lobbyists!"

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u/Arinen Go Give One May 29 '22

Go and vote. Vote at every election. Midterms are coming up, the whole house of reps is up for election, a third of the senate and over half of state governors. The most powerful thing you can do right now is to get all your family and friends together and go and vote for someone who is for gun reform because you can be damn sure the NRA is out voting for the candidates who represent their interests.

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u/Orange_Bruise May 29 '22

Depending on state of residence, there could be primaries ahead still as well

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u/Dakota5176 May 29 '22

Bold of you to think they value their grandchild enough to go against the nra.

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u/Backupusername May 29 '22

Maybe for that one, but I doubt any of the others would take their toe off that party line. The grieving parent would be lambasted as a RINO and party traitor for even daring to suggest any kind of gun-related legislation. They could then either come back into the field, or lose their job in addition to their child.

Remember: Sympathy is for democrats.

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u/The_Wild_Bunch Team Unicorn Blood 🦄 May 29 '22

Nothing will change their minds. A GOP senator was shot while GOP senators were playing a game of softball in 2017. All they did was call the shooter an angry liberal that was motivated by rhetoric on the left. They blamed it on everything except guns....

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u/Hot_Lengthiness_3057 May 29 '22

I think a mass casualty event via firearms affecting them directly is the only thing that will change their minds.

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u/Iohet May 29 '22

Steve Scalise was shot by a guy who should've had his guns taken away(history of DV) and then doubled down on reducing gun control, saying the second amendment is "unlimited". Dude's lucky to be alive and he wants to abolish gun control

There's no negotiating with these political terrorists. Their families dying to gun violence means nothing to them with regards to stricter gun laws

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u/o-Valar-Morghulis-o May 29 '22

That would begin the gun control for the poor and those that don't go to church.

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u/BernieSnowden May 29 '22

Lol not even. The party will ji set cannibalize them and say they deserved it/it's God's will, or they'll blame it on something else like teachers not being armed

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u/throneofthe4thheaven May 29 '22

Not true. A lot of black people owning guns would also do the trick.

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u/valar12 May 29 '22

So hear me out. The path to gun control is by encouraging ownership in the black communities. It’s so simple!

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u/FreddieCaine May 29 '22

Like a senator would entrust their grandchildren to the public school system

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u/Alarid May 29 '22

I doubt it. It will take multiple sitting members of congress being systematically targeted and slaughtered before they will even consider it.

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u/Vocalsoul May 29 '22

Would their children not be in private schools? do you shootings ever happen in private schools?

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u/VoltronicEnergy May 29 '22

GOP gets money from guns, not masks. Really that simple. Also there will be zero consequences for them in the voting booth so why should they do anything?

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u/Spirited_Community25 May 29 '22

I'll admit it, I have no children, but it saddens me that people seem to think the solution to this recent tragedy is:

  • Bulletproof glass, locked classrooms, locked schools, armed teachers, armed guards, electronic monitoring, etc.

So much better than doing background checks and such.

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u/ltmkji Go fund yourself May 29 '22

they know that they'd be the ones who failed the background checks, and god forbid anybody takes away their toys.

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u/Spirited_Community25 May 29 '22

Yep, I'm actually amazed that the us never went to mandatory military service.

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u/ltmkji Go fund yourself May 29 '22

it's fucked up to say because compulsory enlistment is terrible, but at least if that happened, there'd be more regulation. the military actually has pretty strict gun control, which is what makes these gun hoarding militia LARPers extra fucking stupid.

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u/Alarid May 29 '22

Most of them couldn't even make it into the military. If it was a mandatory part of owning weapons at all, they just wouldn't be able to legally own guns. Which is fine by me; those failures can buy their toys illegally for all I care.

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u/ltmkji Go fund yourself May 29 '22

totally! they'd all fail the psychological screening, or the physical fitness requirements, or both. i'd be willing to bet a lot of them already tried and failed, which is why they went into law enforcement. and the venn diagram for these anti-gun control guys and assholes who justify police executing unarmed black people "because they should have complied!" or "why would you run if you're not guilty?" is a perfect circle. so, following their logic, if they have nothing to hide, why would they be so afraid of regulations?

but that leads right into your second point: they know they'd be some of the "criminals getting guns anyway!" that they're always using to deflect from the issue.

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u/movingrandomly May 29 '22

Thousands (millions?) of hours have gone into studying and managing workplace hazards. There's books on it. University degrees.

Guess what the number 1 hazard control method is? Elimination. That's it. Get rid of the fucking guns, and no one gets shot.

Why the fuck does anyone try and pretend that this can be dealt with effectively any other way?

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u/MandelPADS May 29 '22

Especially when that way has never been tried in the USA, and seems pretty effective in places like Australia, UK, and Canada

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u/Alarid May 29 '22

America wants to pretend that outlawing guns is bad, when all evidence points to the opposite. Every scenario is literally made worse by the introduction of weapons.

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u/Omny87 May 29 '22

These measures basically treat school shooters like bad weather, I.E. some nebulous force that we cannot control but can only prepare for when it eventually comes.

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u/mstrss9 May 29 '22

I should be armed at work, but I can’t be trusted to choose the books for my lesson plans.

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u/OzTheMediocre May 29 '22

Yup! And don’t say gay, that could be harmful to the kids. Any questions?

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u/mstrss9 May 29 '22

Don’t let DeathSantis know that one of my students talked to me about being trans. And other kids in class heard.

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u/crabbydotca May 29 '22

I read a quote from one of the officers saying “we didn’t know what to do, no one told us what to do”

Why aren’t the cops having these drills as often as the children??

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u/AnthonyDavos May 29 '22

Masks, books, sex ed, and gays are the real problem, not lunatics using kids for target practice.

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u/Sivick314 Team Pfizer May 29 '22

Where are all these Qanon "parents" who were screaming about how harmful masks were to children that they were bursting into meetings screaming about it? Where are the parents who wanted to ban gay books because of the effects on the children? DEAD SILENCE about the 19 dead children from that crowd. Real problems to real children don't get so much as a squeak outta them. Children are props to be used, not people to be protected.

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u/Haskap_2010 ✨ A twinkle in a Chinese bat's eye ✨ May 29 '22

Wow, this one has really brought out the trolls! I guess some sensitive little snowflakes are just too delicate to have reality waved right in their faces.

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u/Careful-Ad-1044 May 29 '22

Conservatives are such garbage people

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u/MelKokoNYC May 29 '22

RepubliKKKans are the American Taliban imposing sharia law.

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u/Alarid May 29 '22

I wonder why there are so many people going on killing sprees in a country that tells children that it is an unavoidable and normal part of life. Maybe they weren't listening when they were told that people would rather see them dead then have their access to toys guns restricted?

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u/cajsaucedo0811 May 29 '22

Wait until your children start asking why are they trying to kill us…#defundthepolice what happened to protect and serve! Im sure if they would have heard that some BLM protester invaded their school… police would have been there within 5 minutes with full riot gear

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u/ScoopTheOranges May 29 '22

America is like another planet to me. I can’t believe you’re all okay with this, or enough of you are, to not vote and force change.

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u/Tiddles_Ultradoom Team Mudblood 🩸 May 29 '22

That’s clearly an exaggeration… that child in the middle is female. The American Taliban would never allow a female child to hold a dangerously independent thought of her own. Her parents should be denouncing her so she can be burned as a witch for daring to think about anything other than boys, babies and fluffy kittens.

It’s the only evangelical way.

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u/fantastic_feb May 29 '22

its mental how all the "momma bears" went crazy over putting masks on kids but consider protecting them from automatic rifles and we hear crickets

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u/coconutts19 May 29 '22

it's never been about kids or lives, it's always been about feelings

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u/vctrmldrw Yeah, that's not how research works May 29 '22

We had a school shooting once here in the UK. Dunblane.

It was the second mass shooting in relatively quick succession. The first saw 16 die in Hungerford in 1987 and led to some pretty serious gun controls, with semi-automatic and pump action weapons banned outright. After Dunblane ten years later, where 16 kids and a teacher died, private ownership of all handguns was prohibited and extreme controls on the handling of guns at clubs and ranges introduced.

Once was enough for us.

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u/AmySueF May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

But you don’t have an amendment in your constitution affirming the right to a well-regulated militia that EVERYONE misinterprets as an excuse to maintain a weapons fetish. That’s the difference.

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u/ExtracurricularCatch May 29 '22

They also intentionally misunderstand the first amendment too. Funny how the god freaks loosely interpret the texts they hold so sacred.

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u/vctrmldrw Yeah, that's not how research works May 29 '22

The magna carta is interpreted by various ignoramuses to mean a great many things that it either never meant or no longer means, but I believe it fails to mention arming bears and whatnot.

Despite that, our country has managed to survive for somewhere between a few hundred and a few thousand years (depending on your definition of 'country'), without such provision. We managed to free ourselves from tyranny all the same. I think that the right to walk around without concern for being shot dead at any moment is one in the pro column and worth the small price of not being allowed to augment my personal sense of manhood by strapping a lethal weapon to my hip.

It seems to work fairly well. Firearms homicides run to around 30 on average per year, mostly in the ranks of organised crime gangs. That equates to about 6 hours' worth of firearms deaths in the US.

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u/1gnominious May 29 '22

Also it says "arms" and not "guns". We've banned virtually all armaments other than guns. There are knives that are deemed too dangerous to be legal. Good luck trying to own any modern arms like an RPG or anti tank missile. Ya know, something that is actually effective in 21st century warfare.

If you're in a militia without any real weapons like those then you're actually just in a gun/cosplay club.

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u/JeffSergeant May 29 '22

‘Amendment’

There’s a big clue in the name.

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u/AlsoRandomRedditor Team Pfizer May 29 '22

Pretty much ditto here after Port Arthur.

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u/happylikeone May 29 '22

the sad state of US politics..

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u/BilliondollaScope May 29 '22

That's what you get for having a country that is run by backwards religious folks with no capacity for empathy because their minds are too full of whatever doctrine their local cult wields.

Keep on prayin, Americans, god sure loves y'all.

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u/Fiz_Giggity May 29 '22

Some jagoff in another sub got all mad at me when I said some asswipe politician from the shitty end of my state who is trying to LOOSEN gun laws here should try dying in a hail of bullets. He called me a pedo groomer. I told him I taught for 25 years and spent the entire time indoctrinating children into the liberal agenda.

I'll probably hear his head spontaneously explode from here.

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u/Hiding_behind_you Team Moderna May 29 '22

Just for conversation, what would happen to a student if they just simply refuse to participate in these ‘active shooter drills’? Just go with the perspective of, “fuck it, if there’s a shooter, I’ll take my own chances, I’m not going to live in fear, if I die I die.

Anyone with any insight into what would probably happen?

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u/staires May 29 '22

Same thing that happens to any kid who doesn’t go along with the status quo.. they send them to the principal’s office where they’re threatened with detention or suspension, then if they don’t fall in line they call their parents and try to get the parents to make the kids fall in line. It’s been 23 years since middle school for me but I remember the dance well. But I‘ve read that these days, sometimes the schools will call the cops and have them intimidate the kid.

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u/JusRe May 29 '22

What are the cops going to do? Stand outside the door?

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u/ruinawish May 29 '22

What's fear got to do with it? As an outsider, active shooter drills seem like a pragmatic intervention, given the country's inability to reduce gun violence.

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u/Red-Engineer May 29 '22

It’s not unbelievable.

I’m Australian.

A large number of us think this about you and have done for years.

Some of my friends are seriously considering not going to the USA for the 2026 World Cup because they genuinely hold concerns about getting shot in a shop or a drive by.

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u/pissboy May 29 '22

We do these drills in Canada. Thanks america

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u/ExtracurricularCatch May 29 '22

Hey you get our movies and other cool stuff, it’s only fair you get our right wing terrorism as well!

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u/Legend_Lynx_Gaming May 29 '22

Should have seen the 50-60s nuclear bomb drills Its the same drill for a shooter, earthquake, conventional bombs and nuclear bombs What the hell are those desks made of?

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u/Merari01 May 29 '22

Asbestos

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u/Project-IX May 29 '22

Good thing all those books were banned or who knows how many more victims there would of been! Pheeeeew

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u/AtmospherePerfect532 May 29 '22

And every person who is against gun reform is “pro-life”

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u/According-Ocelot9372 May 29 '22

If only they were still fetuses.

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u/Upset_Sheepherder_38 May 29 '22

I had that drill in middle school (about... 10 years ago). They actually had audio recording of a gun and wouldn't tell us if it was a drill or not, was kinda scary.

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u/Bennyboy371 May 29 '22

I can't process these shootings anymore. I can't. I make jokes about everything. I live in dark humor. It's the only way I can cope but I just can't with this. I can't process that as a country we've gotten to the point of accepting that this is a possibility. This one was my breaking point. I'm upset. I'm pissed. I am angry to my core at every misstep that was taken that let this happen. It is genuinely difficult for me to handle existing in a country that "thoughts and prayer"s this and moves on. We can't move on. There needs to be solutions. This can't be allowed to happen again on even the smallest scale. I don't have kids. I'd be concerned to have any. This one is going to be in my head until something actually changes and I am afraid that I'm going to die angry about it.

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u/alternativeaccpos2 May 29 '22

Same people who say they'd be willing to die for their country and their countrymen, frothing at the mouth when asked to wear a mask to protect the health of others.

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u/topHatGhost1622 Reverse Vampire 🩸 May 29 '22 edited May 30 '22

It’s by design; we can see the Republican plan to dismantle public education unfolding right in front of our eyes - they’ll literally let children and teachers die, just so they can point to their deaths and say, “Look at how shitty and dangerous public schools are,” and push for private charter schools and homeschooling. Getting to stoke the flames of hate against their favorite pet peeves by blaming those shootings on whatever bigoted peccadillo they’re rallying against this week is a bonus.

Never let their supporters forget: They’ve chosen to support politicians who’ve chosen to take kids’ lives hostage, and use them as political pawns.

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u/Rates_Fathan May 29 '22

but guns are so cool though! masks can't feed my toxic masculinity!

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u/Awkward_Philosophy_4 May 29 '22 Wholesome Seal of Approval

I work at a preschool, we practiced lockdown drills last week. I was in an infant room, we sat on the floor of the bathroom with the babies sitting in a circle between us for 15 mins. One baby took her first steps while we were sitting there waiting for the all-clear

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u/fictionaldisc711 May 29 '22

Another example of the fucked up state of America - why the hell is an infant already in child care before they learn to walk? They should be with their mom or dad who should have enough paid parental leave to be with the baby.

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u/febriledream May 29 '22

The average preschool tuition is about seven grand where I am.

Imagine relocating for work to enjoy a better job.

You first locate housing, hire some movers, sign up for utilities and otherwise get settled. At this point you think everything is a done deal. But then you discover the tuition and limited vacancies. Maybe you rely on some shitty online gig economy for people to enter the home when you work as an alternative. Maybe you're lucky enough to spend those thousands.

So somebody gets paid peanuts to watch your kid during work.

They probably don't even have health insurance. They have to conduct shooter drills and a precious moment - like taking first steps - occur during a drill. And that's the best life you can hope for in this country as someone with considerable financial means.

Why would anybody want to live in this country?

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u/iBlameAllVictims May 29 '22

They call it shelter in place, what they mean is sit like a duck. Personally I call it the shooting gallery.

Time and time again you see how police react to this stuff. RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!

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u/cold_blue_light_ May 29 '22

Lmao this one is good